Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Outdated thinking.......yes definitely!!! Big crowds for the semis, and I would suggest big crowds for the finals......can speedway really afford to give up these pay days?...... Of course not. Rugby Union, Rugby League, ice Hockey, Basketball, are just some of the sports in the UK that have recognised the financial benefits of deciding their champions via a play-off system. Of course, the FA Premiership doesn't. Although the Football League does run a play off system to decide promotion. When speedway attracts gates of 30,000 for derby matches, then the sport can afford to be magnanimous and scrap the play-offs. Until then the income generated is vital.. Cue Was Not Was........Everybody walk the dinosaur!!!!!! Not JUST the Premiership but in fact I know of no football league which decides its title this way.. Let's have your theory on why not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) ....... I know of no football league which decides its title this way....... Oh dear we really do make some rather silly statements, don't we!! Off the top of my head I can name two leagues the MLS and the A-League which both use a play off system to decide their league champions. No doubt those with a better knowledge of the round ball game than I, could come up with many others. Looks like dinosaurs do need to do a little research before they start to join in a serious debate!!!!! Edited October 2, 2011 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Is there any need to be so condescending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Oi don't argue with a Stokie postie pal you don't know what your taking on we're supposed to be on the same side I agree speedway is an entertainment game and agree with what you are saying BUT it is not the case or one of your former riders Henning Loof would be able to take a ride in the NL but is not allowed apparently or any other European be it Pole, Denmark etc but this is not the case it is as I understand it in the main to bring British youngsters through the system hence the controversy over young Cameron. LOL, ok as long as you are a postie and not a manager then I withdraw any offending comment ! I just hope that at this years NL AGM common sense prevails, and up and coming youngsters of any country will be allowed to ride in the NL, I can only speak as I find, and Mildenhalls gates have gone up and up this year, and this will be due in no small measure to the inclusion of young Cameron, and bums on seats are at the end of the day what promotors need.I have no problem with bringing on British youngsters but don't give them a place, make them earn it, it will be to thie benefit at the end of the day to have to fight for thier places. For what its worth, young Joe Jacobs is going back to Australia when Cameron goes home, to ride speedway there for four months, he would never have had that chance if it was'nt for Cameron coming to Mildenahll, so theres one big plus point in allowing foreign born riders into the NL. For my views on the play off system please read my posting made before the 1st leg on this thread, I guess an awful lot of Stoke supporters will be agreeing with me after todays meeting,a seasons good work undone in 1 meeting due to unfortunate injuries leaving you with 4 fit riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Oh dear we really do make some rather silly statements, don't we!! Off the top of my head I can name two leagues the MLS and the A-League which both use a play off system to decide their league champions. No doubt those with a better knowledge of the round ball game than I, could come up with many others. Looks like dinosaurs do need to do a little research before they start to join in a serious debate!!!!! What absolute rubbish! It's clear I'm talking about football leagues in THIS country. I'd expect nothing other than play-offs in the USA game - they after all used to ban draws by always having a penalty-style shoot-out at the end of games which had finished level!! You do your argument no favours by being so rude. Look it's 100% clear that play-offs are box office but that doesn't make them right - from a sporting poinrt of view it's equally 100% the case that they are not right. Alright, actually I'd admit that I've long advocated Speedway adopting a more crowd-friendly approach and the old-style hamming-it-up style of promotion etc. Having Play offs meets that mould. But then I see what happened last winter and the enormous amount of time and energy so many gave to a row about the tiny minutiae of the rules on team composition etc. and how they were applied - with two major EL clubs threatening to withdraw; and to me that shows for many the sport matters more than being popular.. So yes, let's go play offs but then let's also stop arguing the toss about team make-ups (for example in the context of this thread about whether the young and supremely talented Master Heeps can be allowed to entertain us in the NL/this coutry or not..). You can't really have it both ways...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) What absolute rubbish! It's clear I'm talking about football leagues in THIS country. I'd expect nothing other than play-offs in the USA game - they after all used to ban draws by always having a penalty-style shoot-out at the end of games which had finished level........ May I respectfully suggest that if you mean football leagues in this country then you say so. It's probably the reason why some of your rambling posts have been misinterpreted in the past. It is always easy to make disparaging remarks towards sport in the USA, where of course if you knew anything about MLS, the Tie (or draw) is now quite acceptable. No doubt using your reasoned cognitive analysis, Australian sport is also unworthy of any serious consideration, as after all they all descended from convicts!!!! "everyone walk the dinosaur"!!!!! Edited October 2, 2011 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 ... I guess an awful lot of Stoke supporters will be agreeing with me after todays meeting,a seasons good work undone in 1 meeting due to unfortunate injuries leaving you with 4 fit riders. The Potters lost at Mildenhall last Sunday, with a full team - OK, Nobes had to pull out, but it was Stoke's decision to use a totally untried rider on a track different to anything he would have ridden competitively before. Mind you, the current rules don't help a depleted team - the old T/S rule would have given Stoke more options than the appalling non-tactical, it's a knockout joker. As for the play-offs, I was never a fan. However, having watched the PL descend into not-a-lot this season, they would have definitely added some spice to the final stages of the season - although the weather and the (what turned out to be) silly Phase 2 didn't help at all. If you are going to have play-offs, then the best option has got to be to reward the League winers with a trophy, and the Play-Off champions get a different trophy. Getting some sponsorship for them would also be helpful ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 It is always easy to make disparaging remarks towards sport in the USA, where of course if you knew anything about MLS, the Tie (or draw) is now quite acceptable. You could do with paying more attention as I clearly stated that in the USA they "used" to have that system for deciding draws... Glad to see that you've confirmed your own argument is utterly bankrupt as again you seek only to be rude rather than actually come up with any constructive points or sensible responses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 You could do with paying more attention as I clearly stated that in the USA they "used" to have that system for deciding draws... Glad to see that you've confirmed your own argument is utterly bankrupt as again you seek only to be rude rather than actually come up with any constructive points or sensible responses... And if you read my post more carefully you would see that I quite deliberately used the word NOW. Please do try and keep up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Who wants to play conkers at break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 As for the play-offs, I was never a fan. However, having watched the PL descend into not-a-lot this season, they would have definitely added some spice to the final stages of the season - although the weather and the (what turned out to be) silly Phase 2 didn't help at all. If you are going to have play-offs, then the best option has got to be to reward the League winers with a trophy, and the Play-Off champions get a different trophy. Getting some sponsorship for them would also be helpful ... Completely agree I, too, was completely against the play off system but the way the PL season has fizzled out with a shed load of meaningless matches still to complete contrasts very badly with the excitement that the EL & NL play off matches have created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) LOL, ok as long as you are a postie and not a manager then I withdraw any offending comment ! I just hope that at this years NL AGM common sense prevails, and up and coming youngsters of any country will be allowed to ride in the NL, I can only speak as I find, and Mildenhalls gates have gone up and up this year, and this will be due in no small measure to the inclusion of young Cameron, and bums on seats are at the end of the day what promotors need.I have no problem with bringing on British youngsters but don't give them a place, make them earn it, it will be to thie benefit at the end of the day to have to fight for thier places. For what its worth, young Joe Jacobs is going back to Australia when Cameron goes home, to ride speedway there for four months, he would never have had that chance if it was'nt for Cameron coming to Mildenahll, so theres one big plus point in allowing foreign born riders into the NL. For my views on the play off system please read my posting made before the 1st leg on this thread, I guess an awful lot of Stoke supporters will be agreeing with me after todays meeting,a seasons good work undone in 1 meeting due to unfortunate injuries leaving you with 4 fit riders. Wash your mouth out manager, no exactly the opposite try cwu rep lol Edited October 3, 2011 by Derek 613 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Well done and a very well deserved win by Mildenhall. Thought their riders rode with their heads and although it isn't all over, it will take a major improvement by the Stoke lads to get this one. Really please that Ben got some points although thought he should of been excluded in the incident mentioned elsewhere; unfortuately this is where my report begins. I have never been abused by my own supporters before; I have always been one for applauding The Stoke riders well but also the away riders too, may be not quite so loud but come on boys and girls; this is a sport, it's not a matter of live and death. I gave Heeps a clap as he came past and was surprised beyond belief when a few of the crowd said "How can you clap that Aussie ******, you want to make your mind up who you are supporting", that contiued for most of the evening without boring you with the language as it got worse. Not sure I want that every week, gives me something to think about over the off season as I'll miss the next meeting with Mildenhall and if they do get through not sure I want to return just yet. It's a sport lets just remember, and if one one the "True" Stoke supporters are on the forum, I'd like to inform you that I have passion in plenty for the team. Come and stand with vog, Craigie and myself near the 15 yard marker, you'll get no abuse from us. But bring ear plugs - Craigie and his air horn are very loud ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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