Halifaxtiger Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Secondly, and I apologise for the smell of grapes that aren't too sweet, but how can Cameron Heeps ride for Mildenhall? I have asked three NL team managers the same question and no-one knows. The best response I have had is 'I have been told he is'. It certainly seems to me that on the SCB rules as published he is ineligible, and no-one from Mildenhall or the BSPA has deigned to clarify the situation as to exactly how he can ride - probably because they can't. It has the definite pen and ink of a notorious 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours and sod the rules' BSPA deal about it and I'd say its no coincidence that Heeps was cleared to ride at precisely the same point that Brundle moved to Rye House and doubling down was refused (even though his average dictated that he could). If you are looking for someone to point fingers at, though, look no further than your own promotion. I don't recall that they (or anyone else) said anything when clearance was given. Mind you, we all know what happens when you challenge the closed door dealings of the BSPA, don't we ? All of which is pretty much irrelevant in the context of last nights match. Quite simply, Stoke blew it and from what I heard they were in complete disarray before the meeting had even started. The contrast between Mildenhall's superb team spirit and that of the Potters was a stark one. Watching Malcolm Vasey on the centre green, he looked like a man who was just about to go to the gallows. Apart from Lambert, Pickard and the battling Ben Reade, Stoke were way below par and a track on which it was just about impossible to overtake played right into the hands of the Fen Tigers. Take nothing away from Mildenhall, though. On the night they were the better side and thoroughly deserved their win. But for some dubious tactics by Stoke and one or two daft actions from Blackbird, they would have won by more. Edited October 2, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Well done and a very well deserved win by Mildenhall. Thought their riders rode with their heads and although it isn't all over, it will take a major improvement by the Stoke lads to get this one. Really please that Ben got some points although thought he should of been excluded in the incident mentioned elsewhere; unfortuately this is where my report begins. I have never been abused by my own supporters before; I have always been one for applauding The Stoke riders well but also the away riders too, may be not quite so loud but come on boys and girls; this is a sport, it's not a matter of live and death. I gave Heeps a clap as he came past and was surprised beyond belief when a few of the crowd said "How can you clap that Aussie ******, you want to make your mind up who you are supporting", that contiued for most of the evening without boring you with the language as it got worse. Not sure I want that every week, gives me something to think about over the off season as I'll miss the next meeting with Mildenhall and if they do get through not sure I want to return just yet. It's a sport lets just remember, and if one one the "True" Stoke supporters are on the forum, I'd like to inform you that I have passion in plenty for the team. Edited October 2, 2011 by Steeplejack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Well done and a very well deserved win by Mildenhall. Thought their riders rode with their heads and although it isn't all over, it will take a major improvement by the Stoke lads to get this one. Really please that Ben got some points although thought he should of been excluded in the incident mentioned elsewhere; unfortuately this is where my report begins. I have never been abused by my own supporters before; I have always been one for applauding The Stoke riders well but also the away riders too, may be not quite so loud but come on boys and girls; this is a sport, it's not a matter of live and death. I gave Heeps a clap as he came past and was surprised beyond belief when a few of the crowd said "How can you clap that Aussie ******, you want to make your mind up who you are supporting", that contiued for most of the evening without boring you with the language as it got worse. Not sure I want that every week, gives me something to think about over the off season as I'll miss the next meeting with Mildenhall and if they do get through not sure I want to return just yet. It's a sport lets just remember, and if one one the "True" Stoke supporters are on the forum, I'd like to inform you that I have passion in plenty for the team. My advice is ignore a*seholes like that and carry on enjoying your speedway and appreciating riders from other teams. I don't doubt your word because I saw similar reactions when the Fen Tigers riders came out for their victory lap. I wonder if those who commented on the behaviour of Mildenhall supporters last week will also care to comment on what you have said ? Somehow I doubt it, and it just proves the point that Mildenhall are far from alone in having a few boneheads - quite simply, every track has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 HT,i think with your thoughts on the Heeps affair you are correct,the only way the NL can avoid this is a total ban on aussie lads or let them ride,a simple yes or know,not no to eveyone except Mildenhall to be fair,one man got Mildenahll to the play offs but all now seem to have hit form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 What a result ! just got on to find out the score, I hoped Heeps would have a better night and it looks like he did, also strength in depth must have played a part. Roll onm this afternoon for round 2 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) All seven played their part Damon, it was a true team performance As HT said Mildenhall have real team spirit, last night that didn't seem apparent from the Stoke side. Personally I felt Aaaron Baseby fell on his own and Heat 14 was called correctly. A great night at Loomer Road but .... it is not over yet, Mildenhall must not be complacent today for sure, as Stoke are a good side and did not finish top of the league by luck! Edited October 2, 2011 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Good meeting tonight, mildy deserved the win aswell. Ref had a shocker in heat 14, how he excluded baseby was a complete joke, reade knocked him off, cudnt believe the decision. First of all congratulations to the Mildenhall team on their win. Secondly the ref did not have a shocker in heat fourteen. I was standing right next to referee Darren Hartley last night in the box and it was a simple case of Ben spooking Aaron and Aaron bailing out of the saddle. Their was no contact what so ever between the two riders. Before anyone says I'm biased I'm not I would never cheat and believe the best team on a night should win and they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Exactly how we saw it Derek613 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Well done Mildenhall, great team spirit. But whats happened to Stoke! Maybe the great Tatum spoke. Poor Ben Reade, if he had rode at Mildenhall last week, possibly he would have done better than his replacement? Mr.Vasey is conspicuous by his absence once again! Think he might leave the building or was he pushed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennywren Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Settlement visa's require you to have been living within the UK for 2+ years before application though (And, for Ancestary, after 5 years) Sorry, incorrect again - some people can apply for a settlement visa while living outside the UK... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 This situation with Cameron is unfortunate and imo the NL is for bringing young riders through to hopefully in time represent GB in the future so if some Aussie's for example qualify to ride they should be made to sign some form of agreement that says they will represent GB at national level. We should not be bringing riders through our league system to go and ride for another country as it is defeating what the NL was introduced to origionally do in my opinion and it is unfortunate that Cameron has been caught in the crossfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Well done Mildenhall, great team spirit. But whats happened to Stoke! Maybe the great Tatum spoke. Poor Ben Reade, if he had rode at Mildenhall last week, possibly he would have done better than his replacement? Mr.Vasey is conspicuous by his absence once again! Think he might leave the building or was he pushed I think you will find Malcolm will not have access to a computer until later tonight and then again Chris Louis reckons he should not be giving his opinions on a forum according to reports in local news articles in the suffolk area, so perhaps Chris should stop giving his own opinions on Sky while he is associated as a co-promoter at Mildenhall and Ipswich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 This situation with Cameron is unfortunate and imo the NL is for bringing young riders through to hopefully in time represent GB in the future so if some Aussie's for example qualify to ride they should be made to sign some form of agreement that says they will represent GB at national level. We should not be bringing riders through our league system to go and ride for another country as it is defeating what the NL was introduced to origionally do in my opinion and it is unfortunate that Cameron has been caught in the crossfire. You mean it's unfortunate that he's very very good? I think that would be more accurate and the reason he's "caught in the crossfire". No other non GB NL rider have generated this much debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 This situation with Cameron is unfortunate and imo the NL is for bringing young riders through to hopefully in time represent GB in the future so if some Aussie's for example qualify to ride they should be made to sign some form of agreement that says they will represent GB at national level. We should not be bringing riders through our league system to go and ride for another country as it is defeating what the NL was introduced to origionally do in my opinion and it is unfortunate that Cameron has been caught in the crossfire. Bollards ! Speedway is in the entertainment game, that means any rider who is good enough be he from London, Glasgow, Sydney or the bl00dy moon should be riding to give the public value for money. This is 2011, the British Empire has gone, Johnny Foreigner lives and works here in every other way, why should speedway be any different. Get over it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Great idea! Let's do away with meetings that are likely to attract a half decent crowd. Let's face it speedway is so flush with funds, that it can easily afford to sacrifice the additional income on the altar of outdated thinking and antipathy!!! Outdated thinking..? Having a League decided by the team which finishes top after everyone has played everyone else over an entire season..? Funny how Football manages to hold onto such an old fashioned concept isn't it..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Great idea! Let's do away with meetings that are likely to attract a half decent crowd. Let's face it speedway is so flush with funds, that it can easily afford to sacrifice the additional income on the altar of outdated thinking and antipathy!!! I quite like the playoffs in respect that it takes the interest,if only for the four in it,beyond the final meetings; unfortuately not all the meetings have been ridden. This would not make any difference to the four that are there but would make a differnce to who finishes at the top. I do think though that this should be in addition to the League Champs Status,which should be the team that at the end of a league season, finish at the top. You see that "League Champs" goes with who finishes at the top of the "League". This, what we have is really just a shortened Knockout comp. Winner of this could be the "........." (Just think of a good title and put in there). Not really "League Champs" because who wins has not always finished at the top of the League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I quite like the playoffs in respect that it takes the interest,if only for the four in it,beyond the final meetings; unfortuately not all the meetings have been ridden. This would not make any difference to the four that are there but would make a differnce to who finishes at the top. I do think though that this should be in addition to the League Champs Status,which should be the team that at the end of a league season, finish at the top. You see that "League Champs" goes with who finishes at the top of the "League". This, what we have is really just a shortened Knockout comp. Winner of this could be the "........." (Just think of a good title and put in there). Not really "League Champs" because who wins has not always finished at the top of the League. Rugby League used to do this with an end of season play-off type event called the Premiership. Thus there were proper League champs (ie -shock! horror! - team finishing top of the league) and a separate money-spinning event of considerable status too, comprising the top 8 with a neutral ground cup final. Of course RL have abandoned that in favour of actual play-offs to decide the champions but they only did this to please their Sky TV paymasters which is exactly why Speedway's Elite League do so... Quite why the non-televised National League follows suit I'm unsure.. I don't think the PL do, do they..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 You mean it's unfortunate that he's very very good? I think that would be more accurate and the reason he's "caught in the crossfire". No other non GB NL rider have generated this much debate. No not unfortunate he is very good, he's not very good he is brilliant and I really do think that it is unfortunate that he has been caught in the situation he has, to me the best team wins and Mildenhall did last night no sour grapes and no doubt he will be in your line up next season and good luck to him I think he will be in your top five very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Bollards ! Speedway is in the entertainment game, that means any rider who is good enough be he from London, Glasgow, Sydney or the bl00dy moon should be riding to give the public value for money. This is 2011, the British Empire has gone, Johnny Foreigner lives and works here in every other way, why should speedway be any different. Get over it and move on. Oi don't argue with a Stokie postie pal you don't know what your taking on we're supposed to be on the same side I agree speedway is an entertainment game and agree with what you are saying BUT it is not the case or one of your former riders Henning Loof would be able to take a ride in the NL but is not allowed apparently or any other European be it Pole, Denmark etc but this is not the case it is as I understand it in the main to bring British youngsters through the system hence the controversy over young Cameron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Outdated thinking..? Having a League decided by the team which finishes top after everyone has played everyone else over an entire season..? Funny how Football manages to hold onto such an old fashioned concept isn't it..? Outdated thinking.......yes definitely!!! Big crowds for the semis, and I would suggest big crowds for the finals......can speedway really afford to give up these pay days?...... Of course not. Rugby Union, Rugby League, ice Hockey, Basketball, are just some of the sports in the UK that have recognised the financial benefits of deciding their champions via a play-off system. Of course, the FA Premiership doesn't. Although the Football League does run a play off system to decide promotion. When speedway attracts gates of 30,000 for derby matches, then the sport can afford to be magnanimous and scrap the play-offs. Until then the income generated is vital.. Cue Was Not Was........Everybody walk the dinosaur!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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