Tsunami Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Falcace, i thought i must be going mad in my old age,agree with everything said as much .Started as a novice really old second halves at the shay progressed at a rate of knots. I see him score 2 pts at reading for the dukes looked a prospect within 2years see him get his first cap at swindon v australasia.Talent loads of it. I remember Kenny when he was at Newcastle as a 16 year old. At one meeting, possibly the last meeting of the season, he was messing about on a little PeeWee type bike doing wheelies and spins like a maestro. He looked so comfortable and controlled, you could see he had a natural affinity to riding a bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I remember Kenny when he was at Newcastle as a 16 year old. At one meeting, possibly the last meeting of the season, he was messing about on a little PeeWee type bike doing wheelies and spins like a maestro. He looked so comfortable and controlled, you could see he had a natural affinity to riding a bike. Kenny had one doubling up season, with the diamonds ive only been there twice but it looked to me quite a hard track to ride?Dunno if im correct i think Kenny was in the race that the poor Chris Prime got killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Kenny had one doubling up season, with the diamonds ive only been there twice but it looked to me quite a hard track to ride?Dunno if im correct i think Kenny was in the race that the poor Chris Prime got killed. That's correct, and his brother Alan mentions that fact in his recently issued book. Brough is quite a hard track to ride but once you have mastered it, you are a far better rider. (thoughts from Ivan) It has tight corners, with very long straights, and you need to be able to pull hard on the bars to control the drift and then back up the straight. It's a bit like BV, but with better track preparation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 That's correct, and his brother Alan mentions that fact in his recently issued book. Brough is quite a hard track to ride but once you have mastered it, you are a far better rider. (thoughts from Ivan) It has tight corners, with very long straights, and you need to be able to pull hard on the bars to control the drift and then back up the straight. It's a bit like BV, but with better track preparation. I will have to get the book,keep meaning to get it as for Brough would of loved to av seen the two owen brothers there.i saw Ron Henderson at a few southern tracks liked him and later Rod Hunter. Joe i rated see a few times for Hull IN DIV 1 was a class act. Brough park i think was a technical track if you mastered that i think you were a gud un. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I will have to get the book,keep meaning to get it as for Brough would of loved to av seen the two owen brothers there.i saw Ron Henderson at a few southern tracks liked him and later Rod Hunter. Joe i rated see a few times for Hull IN DIV 1 was a class act. Brough park i think was a technical track if you mastered that i think you were a gud un. Yes, Mauger often says "if you can ride Brough you can ride any track". 4 World Champions is not bad. Mauger, Anders, Olsen and Nicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Some very muddled thinking on this thread. No natural talent? Think again. You're definitely muddled. Who said Carter had no natural talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Carter was a fantastic rider but he wasn't a natural on a bike. Joe Screen probably hasn't achieved as much as Carter in all his 22 years but Screen is 20 times more gifted than Carter was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Carter was not a natural on a bike If - as you now claim - you don't believe Kenny Carter to have been without natural ability, then you should probably learn to express yourself better. Joe Screen 20 times more gifted than Carter?! 20 times more gifted than me perhaps, but certainly not a rider who achieved much more in a much shorter space of time. Also without the schoolboy grounding that Screen benefitted from. Edited November 5, 2011 by falcace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 If - as you now claim - you don't believe Kenny Carter to have been without natural ability, then you should probably learn to express yourself better. Joe Screen 20 times more gifted than Carter?! 20 times more gifted than me perhaps, but certainly not a rider who achieved much more in a much shorter space of time. Also without the schoolboy grounding that Screen benefitted from. I think you are on to a loser impartial one,maybe if you had picked someone else other than Carter.Like others have said Carter,in speedway terms was a novice no grounding really second halves 1 year at Newcastle.Bang a star was born, at the time wasnt really a fan but realise now how good he was today he would have a field day.Different league to the likes of Nicholls,Woffinden, ect] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) If - as you now claim - you don't believe Kenny Carter to have been without natural ability, then you should probably learn to express yourself better. Joe Screen 20 times more gifted than Carter?! 20 times more gifted than me perhaps, but certainly not a rider who achieved much more in a much shorter space of time. Also without the schoolboy grounding that Screen benefitted from. Or maybe you should learn to read words and understand their meaning. He wasn't a natural on a bike, I've already explained this and he certainly wasn't in the same league as Screen in that department, but nowhere have I stated he had no talent, nor would I. Edited November 7, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Or maybe you should learn to read words and understand their meaning. He wasn't a natural on a bike, I've already explained this and he certainly wasn't in the same league as Screen in that department, but nowhere have I stated he had no talent, nor would I. Why didnt you respond to FALCACE? his post was spot on.Ask him did he think screen was 20 TIMES MORE GIFTED than carter and you did say that didnt you impartial one.Or are you going to change your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Why didnt you respond to FALCACE? his post was spot on.Ask him did he think screen was 20 TIMES MORE GIFTED than carter and you did say that didnt you impartial one.Or are you going to change your mind. Are you wired up correctly? Who do you think I responded to in a post that quoted falcace? I think I'll leave you to fawn over everything he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 WHAT!!!!Screeny was 20 times more gifted than Carter??Utter tosh, dont get me wrong as an aces fan Joe was a great great talent (having seen him as a kid in 89). But he wasnt in the same league as Carter (just watch his ride against PC and Les in the 84 British Final). KC was probably one of the most natural gifted riders of his generation FACT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Are you wired up correctly? Who do you think I responded to in a post that quoted falcace? I think I'll leave you to fawn over everything he says. i respect falcace ie] because he noes his stuff and because unlike you he dosent try to twist his way of thinking on to you.Believe me falcace wont agree with me everytime far from it.Saying that i do respect your point of view as well impartial one .But got to say Kaisers post, as [blakey would say] thats made my day that as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 WHAT!!!!Screeny was 20 times more gifted than Carter??Utter tosh, dont get me wrong as an aces fan Joe was a great great talent (having seen him as a kid in 89). But he wasnt in the same league as Carter (just watch his ride against PC and Les in the 84 British Final). KC was probably one of the most natural gifted riders of his generation FACT!!! I honestly that think one of the major problems on this thread has been the inability of some to read (and write) - and comprehend - the English language. There is not one person who has contributed to this thread that has claimed that Joe Screen was a better rider than Kenny Carter. No, he wasn't "in the same league" as you put it, but does that mean that he wasn't a more naturally talented motorcyclist? No! It just means that he never reached the same level, and didn't achieve as much. When superstars like Mauger and Nielsen freel admit that they were less talented than many others - who achieved far less - that should give you some idea what we are actually saying. From what I saw - and from what I heard from other riders - Joe Screen was perhaps the most naturally-gifted rider to emerge in the last forty years. Other than PC, that is... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I honestly that think one of the major problems on this thread has been the inability of some to read (and write) - and comprehend - the English language. There is not one person who has contributed to this thread that has claimed that Joe Screen was a better rider than Kenny Carter. No, he wasn't "in the same league" as you put it, but does that mean that he wasn't a more naturally talented motorcyclist? No! It just means that he never reached the same level, and didn't achieve as much. When superstars like Mauger and Nielsen freel admit that they were less talented than many others - who achieved far less - that should give you some idea what we are actually saying. From what I saw - and from what I heard from other riders - Joe Screen was perhaps the most naturally-gifted rider to emerge in the last forty years. Other than PC, that is... Steve Michael lee . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Michael lee . Sorry, but I don't agree. While Lee was an extremely talented rider, I still believe that PC and Screeny were far more natural. I think that like Nielsen, and also Briggs, Lee had to work harder to achieve his success as a result of his physical stature. As a result, they were less "naturally-gifted" than the two I mentioned. As has already been said, I would class the Morans in the same category. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Ok, I take back the comment of Screenie being 20 times more naturally talented than Carter. I realise this was out of proportion. He was of course only 17 times more naturally talented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Ok, I take back the comment of Screenie being 20 times more naturally talented than Carter. I realise this was out of proportion. He was of course only 17 times more naturally talented. 16 3/4, actually... Steve Edited November 9, 2011 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 16 3/4, actually... Steve Bloody calculator! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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