ImpartialOne Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Shouldn't the reigning British Speedway Champion be considered as the 'British' wildcard if one is to be considered at all? I'm not sure any of us could endure another year of Nicholls frustration every fortnight, least of all the man himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) I'll take that as a No then ;-) Personally, I'd ask N Pedersen, Lindgren & Harris to spend 2013 in the qualifiers and bring in some new blood - Ward. Laguta & THJ probably. As regards a 'necessary' British permanent member of the circus, would the attendance at Cardiff drop - maybe, but there would still be a home wild card, would Sky continue covering the series - doubtful, I think the relegation to the red button recently shows Sky's view on the SGP at the moment. Should Britain have a right to have an entrant - No. Comparisons have been made to other sports and F1. Canada, China, Abu Dhabi, Turkey, Korea, Singapore, Hungary all have 2011 F1 GPs but, as far as I know, do not have drivers or teams competing in the series. Edited September 30, 2011 by macca56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 would Sky continue covering the series - doubtful So you are effectively saying that it will cost BSI/IMG money if they don't include a brit in the series. Probably the biggest argument in favour of bomber getting an invite which they will justify by his podium finish. Niamh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Unless they are going to put proper amounts of dirt down for every GP round then its a waste of time putting Bomber and Freddie in the series yet again as neither is good enough out of the gate at GP level. With Pepe and Bjarne already in and the golden oldies like Hancock, Gollob and Crump all comfortably finishing top 8 the series for me desperately needs freshening up and putting Bomber, Freddie and Nicki back in just wouldn't do that. Darcy is nailed on for me and THJ has always looked good as a wildcard. If a Brit must be selected then I'd beg Woffinden to reconsider and then probably go for Janowski as the fourth pick, although Zagar should be worth serious consideration too, as should Laguta although perhaps his bridges have been burned for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Yes but they have to make the same choices other make. Something has to give and if they choose to given the GP Qualifiers a miss then its the GP that also has to miss if they don't qualify I would personally do away with the wildcard process anyway, whether 9-15 all deserve a 2nd chance I am not sure but can certainly see the logic of dropping out the last 4 and adding more from the qualification process. If the 9-12 riders are good enough then they would come through, if they don't then bad luck Riding is the GP series should be something you have to earn on the track and not in the organisers board room Just my view Pretty easy queston to answer ,,the moment the Gp replaced the old system it became more important to make money than it to be a world championship event ..the last thing they want is riders who won't sell tickets They also do this on where he gp's are held sure it great to have 3 gp's in Poland as it makes money but surely in a so called world championship event that is unfair . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Pretty easy queston to answer ,,the moment the Gp replaced the old system it became more important to make money than it to be a world championship event ..the last thing they want is riders who won't sell tickets They also do this on where he gp's are held sure it great to have 3 gp's in Poland as it makes money but surely in a so called world championship event that is unfair . MotoGP have 4! GPs in Spain; Spanish, Catalonian, Aragonian ( Alcañiz, Spain.) and Valencia. MotoGP also have two in Italy; Italian and San Marino GP (at Misano World Circuit, Italy and two GPs in the USA; Laguna Seca and Indianapolis. So what is the difference compared to speedway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 MotoGP have 4! GPs in Spain; Spanish, Catalonian, Aragonian ( Alcañiz, Spain.) and Valencia. MotoGP also have two in Italy; Italian and San Marino GP (at Misano World Circuit, Italy and two GPs in the USA; Laguna Seca and Indianapolis. So what is the difference compared to speedway? And ? if they do that is unfair also . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 And ? if they do that is unfair also . why is it unfair? Instead of a 3rd Polish GP where should it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) why is it unfair? Instead of a 3rd Polish GP where should it be? England ? as they none at the moment ...next your be telling me it's fair that hey have the World cup final in Poland every other year . If The world cup final was at Lakeside or Wolves every other year do you reckon Poland would win ? do you think Hampel And Gollob would do so well if 3 gp's were at Lakeside ,Wolves and say Eastbourne ? . The point is righty or wrongly these events are ran to make money rather than it being a equal contest . Edited October 1, 2011 by orion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) England ? as they none at the moment ...next your be telling me it's fair that hey have the World cup final in Poland every other year . If The world cup final was at Lakeside or Wolves every other year do you reckon Poland would win ? do you think Hampel And Gollob would do so well if 3 gp's were at Lakeside ,Wolves and say Eastbourne ? . The point is righty or wrongly these events are ran to make money rather than it being a equal contest . Orion if GB would like another GP i dont think that would be a problem even if there is three GPs in Poland. I think the question rather is if there would be enough spectator interest for a 2nd GB Grand Prix? Poland have three GPs because they sell out, if a 2nd GB GP also would sell out (more or less) i do think that BSI would mind having one regardless of how many GPs that are held in Poland. Edited October 1, 2011 by Ghostwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Orion if GB would like another GP i dont think that would be a problem even if there is three GPs in Poland. I think the question rather is if there would be enough spectator interest for a 2nd GB Grand Prix? Poland have three GPs because they sell out, if a 2nd GB GP also would sell out (more or less) i do think that BSI would mind having one regardless of how many GPs that are held in Poland. Thats what i said the GP'S are run in Poland to make money the same as the World Cup Final ...nothing to do with it being fair what any world championship should be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm quite sure the general outcome would be the same as now even if all rounds were staged in GB or any other country in the world. These riders adjust and adapt to the circumstances, and to blame all but one track is to shift the focus over to where it should not be. One swallow does not make a summer, and had this been Harris' first or second go at the GP's, the situation could be different. But he has had chance upon chance and does not deserve a permanent WC. The same for Lindgren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) So you are effectively saying that it will cost BSI/IMG money if they don't include a brit in the series. Probably the biggest argument in favour of bomber getting an invite which they will justify by his podium finish. Niamh I don't think I said that Niamh, no sorry I did not say that effectively or otherwise. One podium does not make a SGP rider worthy of an invite into next year's series. IMO Cardiff would attract a crowd of 30,000 whether there is a permannent British rider in the series or not. My neighbours go and support any rider of whatever nationality that has ever riden for Ipswich. That is the joy of being a speedway supporter. Sky may continue to cover the British SGP, but would they cover the whole series - I don't know. Edited October 1, 2011 by macca56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 IMO Cardiff would attract a crowd of 30,000 whether there is a permannent British rider in the series or not. So a drop of about 30% in ticket sales. Sky may continue to cover the British SGP, but would they cover the whole series - I don't know. You're changing what you're saying! Last time you said you doubted Sky would cover the series. Niamh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 You're changing what you're saying! Last time you said you doubted Sky would cover the series. Niamh if Sky only covered Cardiff they wouldn't be covering the whole series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 if Sky only covered Cardiff they wouldn't be covering the whole series. No rubbish Sherlock And do you think they'd pay BSI/IMG the same fee if they dropped 10 of the rounds? Niamh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 If I choose to use a well known colloquialism I expect it to remain as it was written Niamh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 No rubbish Sherlock You got it now then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 You got it now then What you quoted is not what I said. Niamh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 What you quoted is not what I said. Niamh I think you're confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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