manchesterpaul Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Well done Greg Hancock, the Peoples champion. Got to admit i did raise an eyebrow when Sam quoted him in the studio as being loved by his fellow Americans. It is a pity that he is pretty much 99.9999999999999% UNKNOWN to his 'fellow Americans'. I think he's going to go down in history as one of the most unknown World Champions within their own country. I've just run Google News searches (and web) filtering for American sources and over two days after his triumph it returned only 1 result!, from a motorcycle site. That was a tiny four paragraph item. In fact a search of News sources globally came up with only 7 related searches (5 UK, 1 Australia and 1 USA). Google News search will normally give reports from under an hour. Even away from mainstream sites it updates fairly frequently. Where is Greg from in America? might be worth checking out his local online media outlets. I'll check again in a few days to see if any coverage has been given in his homeland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Got to admit i did raise an eyebrow when Sam quoted him in the studio as being loved by his fellow Americans. It is a pity that he is pretty much 99.9999999999999% UNKNOWN to his 'fellow Americans'. I think he's going to go down in history as one of the most unknown World Champions within their own country. I've just run Google News searches (and web) filtering for American sources and over two days after his triumph it returned only 1 result!, from a motorcycle site. That was a tiny four paragraph item. In fact a search of News sources globally came up with only 7 related searches (5 UK, 1 Australia and 1 USA). Google News search will normally give reports from under an hour. Even away from mainstream sites it updates fairly frequently. Where is Greg from in America? might be worth checking out his local online media outlets. I'll check again in a few days to see if any coverage has been given in his homeland. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Got to admit i did raise an eyebrow when Sam quoted him in the studio as being loved by his fellow Americans. It is a pity that he is pretty much 99.9999999999999% UNKNOWN to his 'fellow Americans'. I think he's going to go down in history as one of the most unknown World Champions within their own country. I've just run Google News searches (and web) filtering for American sources and over two days after his triumph it returned only 1 result!, from a motorcycle site. That was a tiny four paragraph item. In fact a search of News sources globally came up with only 7 related searches (5 UK, 1 Australia and 1 USA). Google News search will normally give reports from under an hour. Even away from mainstream sites it updates fairly frequently. Where is Greg from in America? might be worth checking out his local online media outlets. I'll check again in a few days to see if any coverage has been given in his homeland. you do post some strange stuff......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Greg deserves all the superlatives and plaudits that he is getting on this Thread. It is GREAT to see him as World Champion again. I always hoped this would happen - but - was always wondering what would go wrong. Thankfully nothing did. :approve: CONGRATULATIONS!!! Greg. You are now one of the true legends of our Sport, and such a nice bloke too :approve: Good luck for the future and dare we hope for a repeat in 2012. GO GREG!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Got to admit i did raise an eyebrow when Sam quoted him in the studio as being loved by his fellow Americans. It is a pity that he is pretty much 99.9999999999999% UNKNOWN to his 'fellow Americans'. I think he's going to go down in history as one of the most unknown World Champions within their own country. I've just run Google News searches (and web) filtering for American sources and over two days after his triumph it returned only 1 result!, from a motorcycle site. That was a tiny four paragraph item. In fact a search of News sources globally came up with only 7 related searches (5 UK, 1 Australia and 1 USA). Google News search will normally give reports from under an hour. Even away from mainstream sites it updates fairly frequently. Where is Greg from in America? might be worth checking out his local online media outlets. I'll check again in a few days to see if any coverage has been given in his homeland. you do post some strange stuff......lol Lol lol what on earth is strange in any of the above? I honestly haven't a clue what's wrong with that post or it's contents. I've merely pointed out quite a startling fact. I don't think any World Speedway champion in history will be as unknown in their own country as Greg Hancock looks like being. I'm no odd bod! lol. It's a perfectly good and reasonable post. Edited September 28, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Lol lol what on earth is strange in any of the above? I honestly haven't a clue what's wrong with that post or it's contents. I've merely pointed out quite a startling fact. I don't think any World Speedway champion in history will be as unknown in their own country as Greg Hancock looks like being. I'm no odd bod! lol. It's a perfectly good and reasonable post. Well first off, you found it strange that Ermolenko should say that he's loved by his fellow Americans. Of course he is. With speedway being a minority sport, who did you expect him to mean? He didn't say he's loved by the whole of America. You then said he will be one of the most unknown World Champions of their own country. Well, given the size and population of USA and how minor speedway is over there I'd say that's pretty damned obvious, but to put it into perspective, I don't think he is any less known in America than Sam Ermolenko or Bruce Penhall. I don't know what results you were expecting to find in US news reports about Greg, most people outside of California think speedway is car racing on half a mile of Tarmac. So the whole post seemed a bit out of context and it seems Arson Fire concurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I bet more people in California have heard of Hancock, than the whole of the uk have or had heard of Havelock or Loram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I bet more people in California have heard of Hancock, than the whole of the uk have or had heard of Havelock or Loram. Spot on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I bet more people in California have heard of Hancock, than the whole of the uk have or had heard of Havelock or Loram. Goodness me, now who's making crazy posts? Are you serious? I suggest you visit the websites of local media outlets in California for the various swathe of newspaper, tv and sports portals and look for coverage of speedway meetings, good luck with that! California is by far the the most populous state in the U.S and the third largest land mass. Can you even begin to grasp how little speedway could ever make itself known outside of those pitiful few who are fans of the sport? Incidentally, great credit and praise to all those who do keep the sport alive in the U.S. very admirable indeed. At least over here nowadays if we get an English World Champion general sports fans couldn't help but hear of him via the Sky coverage and trailers alone. Where is that coverage and reporting in America??? Are you seriously thinking that Greg Hancock is plastered over the Sportscasts of CBS and Fox etc. or even mentioned? I really am dumbfounded that you genuinely think that 'Californians' collectively even know he exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Got to admit i did raise an eyebrow when Sam quoted him in the studio as being loved by his fellow Americans. It is a pity that he is pretty much 99.9999999999999% UNKNOWN to his 'fellow Americans'. I think he's going to go down in history as one of the most unknown World Champions within their own country. I've just run Google News searches (and web) filtering for American sources and over two days after his triumph it returned only 1 result!, from a motorcycle site. That was a tiny four paragraph item. In fact a search of News sources globally came up with only 7 related searches (5 UK, 1 Australia and 1 USA). Google News search will normally give reports from under an hour. Even away from mainstream sites it updates fairly frequently. Where is Greg from in America? might be worth checking out his local online media outlets. I'll check again in a few days to see if any coverage has been given in his homeland. Lol lol what on earth is strange in any of the above? I honestly haven't a clue what's wrong with that post or it's contents. I've merely pointed out quite a startling fact. I don't think any World Speedway champion in history will be as unknown in their own country as Greg Hancock looks like being. I'm no odd bod! lol. It's a perfectly good and reasonable post. Well first off, you found it strange that Ermolenko should say that he's loved by his fellow Americans. Of course he is. With speedway being a minority sport, who did you expect him to mean? He didn't say he's loved by the whole of America. You then said he will be one of the most unknown World Champions of their own country. Well, given the size and population of USA and how minor speedway is over there I'd say that's pretty damned obvious, but to put it into perspective, I don't think he is any less known in America than Sam Ermolenko or Bruce Penhall. I don't know what results you were expecting to find in US news reports about Greg, most people outside of California think speedway is car racing on half a mile of Tarmac. So the whole post seemed a bit out of context and it seems Arson Fire concurred. First of all, when one refers to one's 'fellow countrymen' it is usually taken to mean the mass population. Check out thousands of quotes from leaders, politicians, sportsmen and historical figures throughout time and see the context in which it is said and deliberately used. It will refer to the vast majority of a country's inhabitants. In Greg's case it should have been said that 'he is loved by the few of his countrymen who know (of) him'. Your points that you say are 'pretty damn obvious', well hang on, i agree with them because they are the reasons why he is going to be the such an unknown champion in his own country. How is my whole post a bit out of context? It is right for the exact reasons that you agree with me on. For further explanation see my reply above to 'Arson Fire's' outlandish claims of Hancock's (household?) 'fame'. Edited September 29, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 First of all, when one refers to one's 'fellow countrymen' it is usually taken to mean the mass population. Check out thousands of quotes from leaders, politicians, sportsmen and historical figures throughout time and see the context in which it is said and deliberately used. It will refer to the vast majority of a country's inhabitants. In Greg's case it should have been said that 'he is loved by the few of his countrymen who know (of) him'. Blimey. Shame on Sam for not saying "He is loved by the few of his countrymen who know of him". Possibly the most pedantic statement I've seen on this forum. Fellow American is the same as fellow countrymen or countryman. It is not restricted to a collective nation. Just google fellow countrymen and you will see what I mean. Eg: Darcy Ward and Chris Holder are fellow countrymen. They are fellow Australians. Eg: in a SWC final Chris Harris may call on his fellow countrymen to step up to the plate. This would mean his four team mates, not the whole of Great Britain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Blimey. Shame on Sam for not saying "He is loved by the few of his countrymen who know of him". Possibly the most pedantic statement I've seen on this forum. Fellow American is the same as fellow countrymen or countryman. It is not restricted to a collective nation. Just google fellow countrymen and you will see what I mean. Eg: Darcy Ward and Chris Holder are fellow countrymen. They are fellow Australians. Eg: in a SWC final Chris Harris may call on his fellow countrymen to step up to the plate. This would mean his four team mates, not the whole of Great Britain! Oh come on now ImpartialOne who's being shockingly, ridiculously pedantic now?. There's no point letting this degenerate into the typical forum thread of totally failing to address points made and in particular 'head in the sand pretend i haven't read that' when making a reply. So, rather than go round in circles restating things i'm happy to leave what i said and what yourself and others have said 'as is'. In your reply you amusingly fail to address what i put forward and responded to. So guess i'll take that as i'm 100% right then As ever in life it's what isn't said or addressed that is infinitely more telling than what is referred to. Not singling you out personally in pointing that out. It just seems that it can be incredibly hard at times on this forum to hold a genuine discussion and exchange of views. People either attack the poster or point blank fail to address responses. I am 100% ready to change even my most strongest opinion, view or judgement if someone counters with valid points. The whole idea of a forum is to discuss and express different opinions and viewpoints. Anyways, once again congrats in order for Greg Hancock a fine achievement indeed. *Even though i don't go along with this 'The Grin' thing, i mean OMG! Jack Nicholson in 'The Shining' when poking his head through the door he had just axed through had a far more affable smile/grin than Greg's lol. Thinking about it more 'Chucky' had a more engaging smile after doing his dastardly deeds. Well creeps me out does 'that' grin of Greg's *(Last paragraph written in the hope that we are allowed a little license of humour on here) Edited September 29, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Oh for goodness sake! Who actually cares whether he's known in America, or if it's mentioned in the local press there. .He's known within the Speedway community, that's what matters to me, Sam Ermolenko and the like. Which, is what I believe Sam actually meant. He's a worthy World Champion. That's it... Edited September 29, 2011 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wait for it Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Well done Greg on winning, it was great to be at Gorican when he won it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Oh for goodness sake! Who actually cares whether he's known in America, or if it's mentioned in the local press there. .He's known within the Speedway community, that's what matters to me, Sam Ermolenko and the like. Which, is what I believe Sam actually meant. He's a worthy World Champion. That's it... Jacques with respect you can decree 'that's it' as much as you wish, however, we are all free to discuss any aspect of 'Greg Hancock World Champion' that we desire to. Why the exasperated 'Oh for goodness sake'??? there is no big argument going on, we're just expressing differing views. It's what a forum is for so please try and restrain yourself from calling time out on a perfectly calm discussion. Once again i'm not sure why someone employs the 'rolleyes' emoticon. The points i mention are an aspect of his win that is topical. Anyway no biggie international crisis lol. Edited September 29, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Jacques with respect you can decree 'that's it' as much as you wish, however, we are all free to discuss any aspect of 'Greg Hancock World Champion' that we desire to. Why the exasperated 'Oh for goodness sake'??? there is no big argument going on, we're just expressing differing views. It's what a forum is for so please try and restrain yourself from calling time out on a perfectly calm discussion. Once again i'm not sure why someone employs the 'rolleyes' emoticon. The points i mention are an aspect of his win that is topical. Anyway no biggie international crisis lol. I'm sorry but you have taken a perfectly reasonable quote and torn it to shreds for the sake if pedance. It doesn't matter how well known he is in America. It really doesn't. When has anyone in speedway cared about what the outside world think? All that matters is Greg has fully deserved his second world title and has done so at the incredible age of 41. He has made speedway history and I would like to bet it will be a hell of a long time before we see an older world champion. That is to include his nearest challenger to that honour, Tomasz Gollob. and of course, himself. All people are interested in is wishing Greg a happy year as the greatest speedway rider in the world right now. And as for your comments about the "grin", let me tell you that Greg is as genuine a person as you will find in speedway. The grin you see is the real Greg. That is him. He isn't playing to the cameras, he is like that in real life. And of course, having just conquered the world the grin will naturally be wider than normal. So let's not worry about the wording of Sam's appraisal and rejoice a true legend of our sport while we still can. Edited September 30, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I agree enough's enough, no sweat. Incidentally, i have repeatedly praised his win. Please be assured i was joking about the grin, i stressed it was humour just having a little fun on that. I never said he was insincere at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Once again i'm not sure why someone employs the 'rolleyes' emoticon. Well done to Greg Hancock - a hugely worthy World Champion. All the best Rob Edited September 30, 2011 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 The opposition may have been poor, the tracks may have been favourable but heck what an achievement by a guy who I had put down as 'past it' last season. An incredible success so many years after his last, an example of consistency, professionalism and class - well done Mr Hancock. Never my favourite rider but always there and always near if not far from the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Just wish you would grace our shores again before you retire. Sadly that seems very unlikely , unless we go to a set racenight. http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/other-midlands-sport/birmingham-speedway/2011/10/02/worlc-champion-greg-hancock-rules-out-uk-return-66331-29520642/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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