torpointfanatic22 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I suspect most people on here havent got much of a clue - me included Dont forget - Programme artwork and printing costs Rider signing fees Rider traveling expenses Business Rates?? Water rates for normal dwellings cost a fortune in the West Country - must be a lot for the track Rained off meetings And probably a lot more. If this successful business is up for sale where are all the takers in the crowd?? Mr Bowden doesn't pay signing on fees for a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Starman2006. My pension won't cover the cost of buying him out sadly and I live in Dorset - so that's a long way to travel to work. Added to that Mr Bowden insists he does an 80 hour week my old bones just aren't up to that. He doesn't actually say what he does at the track 80 hours a week but looking at the place it can't be much! It does seem a nice little earner for someone but I suspect Bowden will be asking far more than the going rate for the licence. 'Sadly' for a few others, I suspect. Mind you, you might be wrong. After all, a track that loses money, has just £4,000 assets and a valuation of -£31k can't be worth much, can it ? Plymouth actually look OK... Barker and Ashworth is a very decent top two, Glanz appears to be pretty handy around there, Boxall isnt a bad rider and if Werner still has his gating head on, he wont be as bad as expected around Plymouth although I expect him to be dreadful away. There are a fair few worse teams in the PL... fact. I am not sure Barker speaks for himself. Glanz will be better than 3.00, and Cockle was averaging much higher at the back end of the year than what he is on now. Boxall could do well on a track that isn't that different from Rye House. Holder seems to me to be better on bigger tracks - good at Isle of Wight, poor at Newport - and he appears to be going backwards. Werner is supposed to be the third heat leader but he wasn't that before he took two years out and Ashworth is a somewhat of a gamble. Lets not forget he went to Plymouth because there wasn't anywhere else, that he faces a 700 mile round trip for home meetings and that he has always been a big or fast track specialist - and SBA is neither. I think the thing is that Plymouth fans could justify feeling disappointed by that team and that they deserve something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ashworth isnt a gamble and if you read back, many teams would of liked to see him in their colours. Dont forget, he will be second heatleader at Plymouth. The Devils do not look that bad and it is a massive improvement on 2011's side... Bowden has many faults but he has strengthened his side for 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ashworth isnt a gamble and if you read back, many teams would of liked to see him in their colours. Dont forget, he will be second heatleader at Plymouth. The Devils do not look that bad and it is a massive improvement on 2011's side... Bowden has many faults but he has strengthened his side for 2012. We'll agree to disagree on that one. I have no doubt Somerset or Berwick would have liked to see him in their team; whether Rye House would is another matter. I think you are right about the team being strengthened (just) but the point is it could have been so much better. Any Plymouth fan has a right to feel disappointed, and I think that is reflected in the opinions on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I dont see why. They have a near ten pointer (whos pretty local too), a verygood second heatleader, a young reserve in glanz who will add to his figure... this team is better than the one that ended 2011 which had 9 home wins on the bounce wasnt it? If Plymouth can maintain a good home record then thats a big improvement on 2011... I am nowhere near Bowdens biggest fan but the amount of stick he is getting regarding his team is un justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I dont see why. They have a near ten pointer (whos pretty local too), a verygood second heatleader, a young reserve in glanz who will add to his figure... this team is better than the one that ended 2011 which had 9 home wins on the bounce wasnt it? If Plymouth can maintain a good home record then thats a big improvement on 2011... I am nowhere near Bowdens biggest fan but the amount of stick he is getting regarding his team is un justified. We'll see - I genuinely hope you are right. I have a few mates down there and they are top lads so they deserve it. Just got my programme out for the last meeting of the season at SBA. The team was: Barker, Hawkins, Kristiansen, Starke, Wells, Franchetti, Cockle. Discounting Cockle & Barker, Boxall is clearly better than Starke, and Ashworth will be better than Wells. Hawkins (albeit a guest) is better than Holder and Kristiansen is better than Werner. Accepting that Glanz and Franchetti are the same, that doesn't amount to a massive improvement in my view. I think the point is how good the side might have been with the financial resource available to the club (they do, after all, get the biggest gates in the PL). To accept a team that in comparison with the others certainly doesn't look to be anything above bottom 4 (I haven't seen anyone predict that they will make the play offs) would be difficult if I were a Devils fan to stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ashworth isnt a gamble and if you read back, many teams would of liked to see him in their colours. Dont forget, he will be second heatleader at Plymouth. The Devils do not look that bad and it is a massive improvement on 2011's side... Bowden has many faults but he has strengthened his side for 2012. Maybe this could be the time for Ricky once and for all to prove his doubters wrong. I have never known a rider been labelled as a one track pony or not getting recognition that he rightly deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Maybe this could be the time for Ricky once and for all to prove his doubters wrong. I have never known a rider been labelled as a one track pony or not getting recognition that he rightly deserves. I don't agree with the opinion that he is a one track pony for a second, Spinny (he was a favoured guest for Mildenhall for a start) but I equally don't believe that anyone would suggest that small tight tracks are his favourite - and that is exactly what SBA is. Once again, I hope I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I don't agree with the opinion that he is a one track pony for a second, Spinny (he was a favoured guest for Mildenhall for a start) but I equally don't believe that anyone would suggest that small tight tracks are his favourite - and that is exactly what SBA is. Once again, I hope I am wrong. Funny a lot of people have that opinion of him, but 5 visits to Rye House since 2008, only failed to hit double figures once and a average of 9.45 and that is without bonus points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Funny a lot of people have that opinion of him, but 5 visits to Rye House since 2008, only failed to hit double figures once and a average of 9.45 and that is without bonus points. Very surprised by that. Maybe he will be a track expert at Plymouth Whatever, I wish him well. Edited January 27, 2012 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Very surprised by that. Maybe he will be a track expert at Plymouth Whatever, I wish him well. It's not that long ago that he got a 15 point max at Brough. Had some shocking meetings afterwards, often just pulling up on the centre green when in last place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's not that long ago that he got a 15 point max at Brough. Had some shocking meetings afterwards, often just pulling up on the centre green when in last place. And I think that's the thing with Ricky, he's always seemed inconsistent away from Owlerton. If he has an off day with Plymouth there could be some absolute maulings away from SBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 And I think that's the thing with Ricky, he's always seemed inconsistent away from Owlerton. If he has an off day with Plymouth there could be some absolute maulings away from SBA. I agree with you. I think it is all in his head and, when he has to, he is very capable on all tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 And I think that's the thing with Ricky, he's always seemed inconsistent away from Owlerton. If he has an off day with Plymouth there could be some absolute maulings away from SBA. We are well used to that - look at last seasons results away from the SBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickster Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Your well off the mark tsunami! You clearly have him mixed up with someone else. Seen him win many races at brough park Twice he's had a max at newcastle one was a stunning 18 point one too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ricky is definitely not what I would call a one track pony, and he can ride the small tracks, but he can be inconsistent. Could go either way for him, this move to Plymouth - hopefully he will kick on. I think he has reached his level myself, but if he is going to get any better it will be away from Sheffield IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Your well off the mark tsunami! You clearly have him mixed up with someone else. Seen him win many races at brough park Twice he's had a max at newcastle one was a stunning 18 point one too! Also seem him can't be ersed to race and just dropped out. Terrible for a number 1 rider. Been around long enough to know the traits of Ricky and not mixing him up with someone else.(haven't got rick in my name either) Edited January 27, 2012 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Ricky wil be fine, he can ride all tracks well, he's just a bit up and down but a month of riding the SBA and working out it's quirks he'll be just fine there. He's a decent rider and decent riders work out any home track quick enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 bowden in local paper today appealing for help to get the track ready for new season he says he will provide the paint but can you bring your own brushes! i think this tells you everything you need to know about the man an absolute tight arsed cheapskate looking to benefit from genuine fans decency.80 hours a week what a load of crap lucky if he does 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 bowden in local paper today appealing for help to get the track ready for new season he says he will provide the paint but can you bring your own brushes! i think this tells you everything you need to know about the man an absolute tight arsed cheapskate looking to benefit from genuine fans decency.80 hours a week what a load of crap lucky if he does 8! Actually I think that just makes sense. It's how Leicester was built and a lot of clubs have people who turn up to do this. I remember a group of offered to do this at Newport years back for Tim Stone and got asked what was in it for us and the offer was turned down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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