torpointfanatic22 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Your right Drac it is all prediction's and opinion's, but i feel that there is no reason why Nicki can't double his average, Kristiansen finished the season on a 6.06 average after starting on a 3, now you can't recall him yanking up any tress before that, and most of the points he got was at the SBA. he did nothing away no better than a reserve, but you woudn't have made that prediction at the start of the year, but i feel Nicki can do the same at the SBA and do what he done and bang in a few points, but away from the SBA i'm not so sure, but that didn't stop Kristiansen doubling his average. Nicki averaged over 7 in his last season at National League level away from home for Plymouth so to say that's no better than a reserve is way off the mark. Nicki has potential and in my opinion can be a better rider than Kristiansen in the long run but the Premier League is hard work for any rider and to have not ridden in it for three years makes it even tougher. I fancy Nicki to be on or around 4.5 - 5 early doors but when he moves into the main body that is likely to drop at least half a point initially. It will then be a test to see how he copes long term with a main body role. I do think Nicki can reach a 5+ point average come the end of the season but I don't expect him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 When Nicki was at Reading in 2008. Was'nt he averaging over 4 and a half. He came in to replace the injured Jamie Smith. Then his season ended through injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 If Glanz is half the rider he was when he was riding for Reading a few years ago…well he will be thin for a start, but he could be pretty good, looked a decent talent then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Nicki averaged over 7 in his last season at National League level away from home for Plymouth so to say that's no better than a reserve is way off the mark. Nicki has potential and in my opinion can be a better rider than Kristiansen in the long run but the Premier League is hard work for any rider and to have not ridden in it for three years makes it even tougher. I fancy Nicki to be on or around 4.5 - 5 early doors but when he moves into the main body that is likely to drop at least half a point initially. It will then be a test to see how he copes long term with a main body role. I do think Nicki can reach a 5+ point average come the end of the season but I don't expect him to. Mike where did i say Nicki is no better than a reserve away from the SBA, i was talking about Kristiansen, i said away from the SBA i'm not so sure about Nicki, what i do feel is Mike Bowden is very lucky to get Nicki on a 3 pt cma, i don't think he will stay on that for long. Edited February 27, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 How is a 7 point ave in the NL home or away better than a run of the mill reserve at PL level?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Fair enuff Kristiansen started on a 4.80 average, my mistake,and is a more experience rider than Nicki, but not at the SBA, and that's where he got most of his points, but Nicki finished with Reading before he gon't injured on a 4 pt cma, and i see no reason Nicki won't do the same has Jesper at the SBA, away from the SBA i'm not so sure he will do so well, but saying that he can't do much worse away than Kristiansen, i'm not saying he will, and i'm not saying he won't, i'm saying there is no reason why he can't. Last year we had Jason Bunyan who had more experience than Jesper, so to compare they two last year you could say maybe not the best comparison, and to say Jason was a more accomplished rider you would have to agree with that, Bunyan started on a 7+ average and Kristiansen on a 4.80 average, but midway into the season that changed, and Bunyan was on a 4+ average and Kristiansen on a 6.06 average, so you can't always go by making comparison's, i just feel Nicki will do well at the SBA. But I didnt make a comparison with Buynan and Kristiansen did I? You made the comparison with Glanz and Kristiansen which in my opinion was unfair. Has Glanz ever ridden Premier League level at the Plymouth track? There seems to be a lot of assumptions being made about the lads ability on his National League performances which is a world of difference. I would have thought you would just give him a chance to settle and do his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Never really worked with Bunyan did it, looked a shadow of his former self when Plymouth visited Shielfield! Edited February 27, 2012 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Plymouth fans have not learnt. I thought Seemond and Simmonds were going to get 5+ last year? didn't even get 5 between them! The PL is a lot harder than the NL! Nicki will do well to get 4.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) But I didnt make a comparison with Buynan and Kristiansen did I? You made the comparison with Glanz and Kristiansen which in my opinion was unfair. Has Glanz ever ridden Premier League level at the Plymouth track? There seems to be a lot of assumptions being made about the lads ability on his National League performances which is a world of difference. I would have thought you would just give him a chance to settle and do his best. Thank's for the advice, and your right i should not make comparison's, but i think Nicki is on a par with most PL reserve's in the league going on there form in the NL, and seeing them down at the SBA last year, and yes it is a world of difference between the NL and PL, but i think Nicki has the ability to do well, of course he will need time and the Plymouth supporter's including me will give him that, if he fails it won't be because of the lack of support. Plymouth fans have not learnt. I thought Seemond and Simmonds were going to get 5+ last year? didn't even get 5 between them! The PL is a lot harder than the NL! Nicki will do well to get 4.5 It's not the fan's that have not learnt, we will get behind any rider, it's the person running the side that needs to learn, but it was a big mistake bringing Seemond back, i don't think Mike Bowden did him any favours did he, but Mark was ok i think 4.52 was his average when he got injured, and i think he was worth a place, but if Nicki gets 4.5 then it will be worth signing him, but i don't think he will be happy with that knowing Nicki, but there won't be any presser on him from the supporters, only support. Edited February 27, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_R Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Simmonds was half a point under his starting 5.00 average. Hardly a disaster. Quite what this has to do with Glanz, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Plymouth fans have not learnt. I thought Seemond and Simmonds were going to get 5+ last year? didn't even get 5 between them! The PL is a lot harder than the NL! Nicki will do well to get 4.5 SCB i am not a expert but wernt Seemond and Simmonds really big track riders?the county ground and surely wernt exspected to average that much.Glanz has little track exsperience and i exspect him to more and hold his own at home away will be difficult i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 SCB i am not a expert but wernt Seemond and Simmonds really big track riders?the county ground and surely wernt exspected to average that much.Glanz has little track exsperience and i exspect him to more and hold his own at home away will be difficult i know. In fairness Seemond and Mark had both spent enough time at Exeter's huge track and Plymouth's small track to be good enough on either type of track. The fact was Seemond wasn't good enough, Mark on the other hand rode very well to achieve a creditable CMA of over 5. His green sheet of 4.52 also deserved praise. Nicki has plenty of experience on both small and big tracks from his time in the NL in the UK and from his time in Denmark and to be honest shouldn't have too much of a problem on any of them. I put him in the same sort of bracket as Simmonds in terms of current ability but given time to adjust Nicki long term should prove a decent investment. That said the standard of rider is much much tougher and as I said earlier, from reserve I believe Nicki is capable of 4.5 - 5. When he moves into the main body, which he will, he will initially probably drop by at least half a point and then we shall see from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 SCB i am not a expert but wernt Seemond and Simmonds really big track riders?the county ground and surely wernt exspected to average that much.Glanz has little track exsperience and i exspect him to more and hold his own at home away will be difficult i know. Exactly but 12 months ago the Plymouth fans were predicting 5 and 6 point averages. Which was a laugh as they were both 6.5 rider with Exeters advanatage in their last PL seasons about 6 years ago. In fairness Seemond and Mark had both spent enough time at Exeter's huge track and Plymouth's small track to be good enough on either type of track. The fact was Seemond wasn't good enough, Mark on the other hand rode very well to achieve a creditable CMA of over 5. His green sheet of 4.52 also deserved praise. Mark did well to get 4.5, I said 12 months ago he'd get 4.5, while you lot all predicted 5 and 6 for him and Seemond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 In fairness Seemond and Mark had both spent enough time at Exeter's huge track and Plymouth's small track to be good enough on either type of track. The fact was Seemond wasn't good enough, Mark on the other hand rode very well to achieve a creditable CMA of over 5. His green sheet of 4.52 also deserved praise. Nicki has plenty of experience on both small and big tracks from his time in the NL in the UK and from his time in Denmark and to be honest shouldn't have too much of a problem on any of them. I put him in the same sort of bracket as Simmonds in terms of current ability but given time to adjust Nicki long term should prove a decent investment. That said the standard of rider is much much tougher and as I said earlier, from reserve I believe Nicki is capable of 4.5 - 5. When he moves into the main body, which he will, he will initially probably drop by at least half a point and then we shall see from there. I would put Glanz a bit in front of Simmonds myself as actually we dont know how good his best is?He did get some decent scores on his travels where as Simmonds did rely an awful lot on his County ground home average away he was never to hot.But i will say it is going to be harder to average 5 or 6 than say 2 years ago in the P.L we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Exactly but 12 months ago the Plymouth fans were predicting 5 and 6 point averages. Which was a laugh as they were both 6.5 rider with Exeters advanatage in their last PL seasons about 6 years ago. Mark did well to get 4.5, I said 12 months ago he'd get 4.5, while you lot all predicted 5 and 6 for him and Seemond. Sad to say that there are those what predict and post and then those what predict and keep their counsel. Mark did fine until injuries ended his season. Seemond had retired and unwisely allowed himself to be persuaded to return to the PL. It was not nice to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 All the supporters i stand with at the SBA agreed it was a big mistake bringing Seemond back, your right Richard it wasn't nice to watch, but the decision was made by Mike Bowden thinking they would come in on 3pt average, that never happened and they both came in on a 5pt cma, because of that Nedermark was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Nedermark was released because Mr Bowden wouldn't keep to his word with his costs, he knew full well Mark and Seemond would be 5's. He also tried to claim that Jesper warranted a reduction for missing a season which was total balony as Jesper hadn't been out due to injury. Anyway that was last year, onwards and upwards as they say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Nedermark was released because Mr Bowden wouldn't keep to his word with his costs, he knew full well Mark and Seemond would be 5's. He also tried to claim that Jesper warranted a reduction for missing a season which was total balony as Jesper hadn't been out due to injury. Anyway that was last year, onwards and upwards as they say... No good dwelling on it mike, let's hope we don't go down that road again, i wouldn't put money on it no happening again, we can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) I have it from a good source that all is not well with one of the rider's, it's down to lack of transport and having no help from the team he is going to ride for in finding any, looks like we are going down the Nedermark road again, when a team signs a non British rider you have to give him some help to find transport to get to the meetings if he hasn't got any, don't you ?. Edited February 29, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) I also see Mike Bowden has put the price of admission up by a £1 for adult's to £13, but to be very fair that's still very good value for money still, the family price will still be the same, and anyone with a season ticket wont have to pay any extra. Edited March 3, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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