Najjer Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Spot on bob, to have Ryan Fisher and Ben Barker in the same team, well done Mike Bowden, like you bob i cant wait, press and practice will be interesting. Indeed it will - other than Barker and Fisher, who else is actually turning up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 So the clique of gossip know-alls back up each other up on here, surprise, surprise ! FYi being a Monarchs supporter, where Ryan rode from 2008 - 10, I never heard any utterance that he was not good value for whatever he was paid. That you admit disclosing alleged confidential information, which could be prejudicial to a specific rider's future job prospects in a public forum, is hardly praiseworthy conduct. . The only way anyone can judge whether a rider is 'good value' for his earnings is to know precisely how much he was being paid. As such, it seems that Fisher's pay was pretty much public knowledge anyway, at least at Edinburgh. Or, more likely, they didn't have a clue what he was paid (and didn't care) but whatever it was he was good value for it because he was their number one and a very capable and exciting rider. That's hardly grounds to determine value. I shudder to think that the great and the good (and the others) of the speedway world would draw opinions of riders from 'alleged confidential information' posted on this forum. To suggest that they might is utter nonsense. I did think of letting you see what I have about Fisher. Then you could apologise to Bob, BP, WK & I, admit the truth of it (to a degree anyway) and post your agreement with what we have said. Your biased viewpoint on this subject suggests to me that that would be most unlikely even if I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The only way anyone can judge whether a rider is 'good value' for his earnings is to know precisely how much he was being paid. As such, it seems that Fisher's pay was pretty much public knowledge anyway, at least at Edinburgh. Or, more likely, they didn't have a clue what he was paid (and didn't care) but whatever it was he was good value for it because he was their number one and a very capable and exciting rider. That's hardly grounds to determine value. I shudder to think that the great and the good (and the others) of the speedway world would draw opinions of riders from 'alleged confidential information' posted on this forum. To suggest that they might is utter nonsense. I did think of letting you see what I have about Fisher. Then you could apologise to Bob, BP, WK & I, admit the truth of it (to a degree anyway) and post your agreement with what we have said. Your biased viewpoint on this subject suggests to me that that would be most unlikely even if I did. More bluster trying to cover up your attention seeking comments. You make an allegation and when challenged to name the source, it suddenly becomes "confidential". Aye it was confidential when you spouted it out in the public domain in the first place. Probably about as accurate as your spurious claim on here that no Edinburgh fans were at Plymouth vs Edinburgh on 29th October 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 More bluster trying to cover up your attention seeking comments. You make an allegation and when challenged to name the source, it suddenly becomes "confidential". Aye it was confidential when you spouted it out in the public domain in the first place. Probably about as accurate as your spurious claim on here that no Edinburgh fans were at Plymouth vs Edinburgh on 29th October Do you actually KNOW Halifaxtiger? If you did you would not make comments like this. Whatever happened to attack the POST and not the POSTER. I have only met HT a couple of times - but - I believe what he says because I like to think I can recognise an honest person when I see them. Regarding the Crowd numbers - anybody can make a mistake - apart from you it appears. An easy mistake to make when there are a lot of people there. I must say - you seem awfully keen to 'have a go' - I wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 What do Plymouth fans exspect Nicki Glanz to average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Do you actually KNOW Halifaxtiger? If you did you would not make comments like this. Whatever happened to attack the POST and not the POSTER. I have only met HT a couple of times - but - I believe what he says because I like to think I can recognise an honest person when I see them. Regarding the Crowd numbers - anybody can make a mistake - apart from you it appears. An easy mistake to make when there are a lot of people there. I must say - you seem awfully keen to 'have a go' - I wonder why? Err, he is attacking the post. The post(s) that contain all the hear say from said poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 What do Plymouth fans exspect Nicki Glanz to average? Personally I think he is capable of 5ish. But sadly with the make up of our team he is likely to find himself in the main body after the first set of greensheets meaning it will be very hard for him to maintain that or even improve on it. But he is our key rider in my opinion, of the bottom four he is the most likely improver and could be the difference between us being in the bottom couple or in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Personally I think he is capable of 5ish. But sadly with the make up of our team he is likely to find himself in the main body after the first set of greensheets meaning it will be very hard for him to maintain that or even improve on it. But he is our key rider in my opinion, of the bottom four he is the most likely improver and could be the difference between us being in the bottom couple or in the top 10. I think he could average over 6 will be hard could improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) More bluster trying to cover up your attention seeking comments. You make an allegation and when challenged to name the source, it suddenly becomes "confidential". Aye it was confidential when you spouted it out in the public domain in the first place. Probably about as accurate as your spurious claim on here that no Edinburgh fans were at Plymouth vs Edinburgh on 29th October Ok, I'll reveal my source: Edinburgh promoter John Campbell. Taken from the Edinburgh Evening News, October 11 2007 Edinburgh MONARCHS co-promoter John Campbell today reacted to rumours suggesting Ryan Fisher could be set for a shock return to Armadale next season by insisting: “We would need to find a major sponsor to make such a thing happen.” The Californian quit Monarchs to step back up to the Elite League to skipper Coventry Bees this season, but it’s understood Fisher hasn’t found the move as lucrative as he imagined and might consider a return to Premier League racing which would give him more races. It’s also believed that Premier League newcomers Leicester Lions have expressed an interest in Fisher. The Lions returned to speedway this year after more than a decade, but are anchored near the foot of the table. They see the colourful American as the ideal candidate to spearhead their title challenge at Beaumont Park in 2012. Campbell, below, added: “Leicester have got crowds four or five times bigger than ours, and they would be better placed to afford him than we are. “Ryan is a very expensive rider and has also got a very high average that makes it difficult to build a team around him, but if we found a sponsor we would consider it.” Fisher was a hugely popular No. 1 for Monarchs in 2010 when they claimed their third championship crown, and many fans were crestfallen over his departure, but the possibility of him pulling on a Monarchs race-jacket once again would provide the Capital club with a massive shot in the arm, although Campbell points out: “Up until our matches with Glasgow our crowds were higher this season than they were the previous season when Ryan rode for us, so you can’t necessarily say that Ryan attracted bigger crowds – because he didn’t.” Actiually, I was wrong; I am not sure how Fisher's wage demands might be seen as confidential when John Campbell has revealed all to a city newspaper. How dare he do so, damaging the riders chances of future employment Still believe BP, Bob C & I deal in 'gossip' or could it be that we are actually right ? Edited February 24, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NeilWatson Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Ok, I'll reveal my source: Edinburgh promoter John Campbell. Taken from the Edinburgh Evening News, October 11 2007 Edinburgh MONARCHS co-promoter John Campbell today reacted to rumours suggesting Ryan Fisher could be set for a shock return to Armadale next season by insisting: “We would need to find a major sponsor to make such a thing happen.” The Californian quit Monarchs to step back up to the Elite League to skipper Coventry Bees this season, but it’s understood Fisher hasn’t found the move as lucrative as he imagined and might consider a return to Premier League racing which would give him more races. It’s also believed that Premier League newcomers Leicester Lions have expressed an interest in Fisher. The Lions returned to speedway this year after more than a decade, but are anchored near the foot of the table. They see the colourful American as the ideal candidate to spearhead their title challenge at Beaumont Park in 2012. Campbell, below, added: “Leicester have got crowds four or five times bigger than ours, and they would be better placed to afford him than we are. “Ryan is a very expensive rider and has also got a very high average that makes it difficult to build a team around him, but if we found a sponsor we would consider it.” Fisher was a hugely popular No. 1 for Monarchs in 2010 when they claimed their third championship crown, and many fans were crestfallen over his departure, but the possibility of him pulling on a Monarchs race-jacket once again would provide the Capital club with a massive shot in the arm, although Campbell points out: “Up until our matches with Glasgow our crowds were higher this season than they were the previous season when Ryan rode for us, so you can’t necessarily say that Ryan attracted bigger crowds – because he didn’t.” Still think its 'gossip' and hearsay ? A 2007 edition of a newspaper referring to the 2010 season.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Halifax....did you not say you were told in confidence?? But have quoted a newspaper?? Has Campbell told you personally aswell as you putting this up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 A 2007 edition of a newspaper referring to the 2010 season.....? Positively ingenious, Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Positively ingenious, Neil Clearly one date is wrong but which one ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Clearly one date is wrong but which one ........ The chap must be a clairvoyant (and a very good one)if it is an article from 2007.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The chap must be a clairvoyant (and a very good one)if it is an article from 2007.................. You posted it, so spill the beans! Which date was a typo?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) You posted it, so spill the beans! Which date was a typo?? http://www.scotsman....swoop_1_1903137 I'd like to say I don't know where the 2007 came from but it was almost certainly my incompetent typing. Edited February 24, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://www.scotsman....swoop_1_1903137 I'd like to say I don't know where the 2007 came from but it was almost certainly my incompetent typing. Well - I reckon that sorts THAT out anyway. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well - I reckon that sorts THAT out anyway. :approve: Eeeee warra stirra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Eeeee warra stirra Whe - me like. Nivvor. Ah nivvor dee nee storrin. :drink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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