Roger MARTIN Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I don't know how you can run a club like this. How many riders have been in and then out this winter? Things should be kept under wraps until the ink is dried on contracts, as looking in from the outside the club has very little loyalty to riders once a better option becomes available! Problem with that is some riders won't touch the club as will be concerned of loosing their job before a wheel is turned! Your right its not the way to run a speedway club, and if he had got the team right the first time there would have been no need for all the changes he is trying to make, i can understand the situation with Werner fair enough, it was a mistake to sign him from the start, with Ashworth we will never know the truth about that one, but to bring Lanham in a drop Steve Boxhall nobody can agree with that and its not the way to run a club, but thats his choice to do it like that, and until the rules change to stop clubs from doing that it will carry on, surely if Boxhall has signed a contract to ride for Plymouth he can not do it, just makes you wonder if he has signed one. Edited February 23, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 One thing for sure if Plymouth sign everybody that has been mentioned they will need a clean sweep in ALL competitions to pay the bills and maintain crowd levels, or they might finish up like a certain club this winter.Has Bowden got a new motto this season "speculate to accumulate" Unlike Newport Plymouth get more than 300-400 per home match possibly this season 4x that. Ben Barker's interview was very intresting on Tuesday night, his thoughts on Fisher will certainly make Heat 13 and 15 intresting. Personally I think they will be top riders this season and the pairing will be dynamite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Unlike Newport Plymouth get more than 300-400 per home match possibly this season 4x that. Ben Barker's interview was very intresting on Tuesday night, his thoughts on Fisher will certainly make Heat 13 and 15 intresting. Personally I think they will be top riders this season and the pairing will be dynamite! I realise that crowd level are good at Plymouth and they will need them all to pay for the team being mooted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Berwick's team is sure not cheap, though we don't have Fisher or Barker we have strength in depth. I'd say there is more chance of Berwick doing a "Newport" than Plymouth. I am sure John and his chums would happily accept the Devils turnout on a regular occurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 What do Berwick have to do with this thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) What is a Berwick fan querying another team's crowds for? Plymouth and Berwick could both make the Top 6, bit of a turnaround from last year that is for sure! Edited February 23, 2012 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Because is an open forum and there are separate team threads to discuss that teams issues, Berwick have bugger all to do with a Plymouth thread, but like every other fan on this Berwick fans discuss other teams on that teams thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'll keep your wise words of wisdom in mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Berwick's team is sure not cheap, though we don't have Fisher or Barker we have strength in depth. I'd say there is more chance of Berwick doing a "Newport" than Plymouth. I am sure John and his chums would happily accept the Devils turnout on a regular occurance. Any Promoter in the PL would love to have crowds that Plymouth seem to attract.As for your comment regarding Berwick doing a "Newport" is doing a disservice to the current Promotion given the effort they have put into the Club.IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) What is a Berwick fan querying another team's crowds for? Plymouth and Berwick could both make the Top 6, bit of a turnaround from last year that is for sure! Don't think there is anyone querying Plymouth crowds .It is your assumption IMO and your interpretation of the posts. Edited February 23, 2012 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 When all is said and done the whole speedway fraternity has seen the antics of Mr Bowden and his way of running things. He has sadly put riders off wanting to come and ride for Plymouth and right now that isn't what is needed. As for the Lanham situation, well he is a better option than Boxall given his consistency at all tracks around the Country but Leigh it seems is not that keen on the idea as he is contemplating not riding initially rather than the travel to Plymouth every Friday. What worries me, which has been already mentioned on this thread, is that if Lanham turns the offer down Plymouth have a rider in Boxall who is clearly not wanted by the promoter due to 'excessive demands' if you believe everything you hear. I can't see that changing so if Lanham does say no, Plymouth may have yet another problem. Sadly it's the same old song on repeat where it concerns the Plymouth Promoter. On the subject of Berwick, they are my dark horses for the title. Superb top 5 and if young Edberg gets going they have every chance! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikem2 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well if Leigh DOES sign then you can count on seeing me and the family down Plymouth way (hope that doesn't upset anybodies!!)....now that we are speedway nomads. Believe me, the team could have no finer ambassadour than Mr Leigh Lanham. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think Berwick will do a Newport at all but I think Plymouth's crowds are healthier than Berwick's I also think Plymouth's septet will cost less, admittedly Plymouth dont have the GP challenge. I still dont get your point about Plymouth doing a Newport, have you been to the SBA? its a hot bed of Speedway apart from when the lights go out in Heat One! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't think Berwick will do a Newport at all but I think Plymouth's crowds are healthier than Berwick's I also think Plymouth's septet will cost less, admittedly Plymouth dont have the GP challenge. I still dont get your point about Plymouth doing a Newport, have you been to the SBA? its a hot bed of Speedway apart from when the lights go out in Heat One! Only an opinion, which differs from yours ,it is a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I've seen a few comments now on the healthy crowds at Plymouth. Having never been, roughly what sort of numbers do they attract down there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 So Plymouth have actually offered Lanham a team place. I don't think that's the wisest thing to announce when he is in two minds. Surely the Plymouth riders will be able to work out who Lanham would replace.. If Lanham decides against signing for Plymouth then surely there won't be good chemistry between one rider and the club. That rider will be knowing that the club preferred someone else and were on the edge of leaving him with no team at a very late time. Of course the likely rider is Boxall. It just doesn't seem like the greatest idea to make the offer public in my opinion. Anyone agree/disagree? I'm interested to know what other people think. Agree and disagree,yes I don`t think it is right to change a rider at this late stage just cos someone else is suddenly avaliable, however if the rider is Boxall,he ain`t exactly Mr.Loyalty is he? What goes around,comes around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Agree and disagree,yes I don`t think it is right to change a rider at this late stage just cos someone else is suddenly avaliable, however if the rider is Boxall,he ain`t exactly Mr.Loyalty is he? What goes around,comes around. I think Boxhall has met his match in Mike Bowden. When all is said and done the whole speedway fraternity has seen the antics of Mr Bowden and his way of running things. He has sadly put riders off wanting to come and ride for Plymouth and right now that isn't what is needed. As for the Lanham situation, well he is a better option than Boxall given his consistency at all tracks around the Country but Leigh it seems is not that keen on the idea as he is contemplating not riding initially rather than the travel to Plymouth every Friday. What worries me, which has been already mentioned on this thread, is that if Lanham turns the offer down Plymouth have a rider in Boxall who is clearly not wanted by the promoter due to 'excessive demands' if you believe everything you hear. I can't see that changing so if Lanham does say no, Plymouth may have yet another problem. Sadly it's the same old song on repeat where it concerns the Plymouth Promoter. On the subject of Berwick, they are my dark horses for the title. Superb top 5 and if young Edberg gets going they have every chance! Mike i agree what you say about Mike Bowden, but if Boxhall has signed a contract then surely his demands must have been agreed to, if now he is making excessive demands then what's the point in a contract, makes me think no contract has been signed, so Mike Bowden has every right to change his mind if Boxhall is asking for more than what was agree, i'm not saying what Mike Bowden is doing is right but we don't know what the situation is with him and Boxhall, i think if you look at Boxhall's history, it mite be better if Mike Bowden don't sign him. I'm not so sure about rider's being put off signing for Plymouth, i think if you offer any rider the right money they will sign, with Lanham it's just a matter of the distance he has to travel, it's not like he has to make the trip five day's a week, it's just once a week on a friday, i think he is very lucky to be offered a ride just a month before the season start's, it could be month's before he get's offered another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I've seen a few comments now on the healthy crowds at Plymouth. Having never been, roughly what sort of numbers do they attract down there? The lowest I have seen there was a late season nothing NL clash with Weymouth and there were around 1,000. The crowd for the last match of the 2011 season against Edinburgh was truly astonishing. A cold October night, a nothing match, no away fans and the team at the bottom of the league and it was pushing 2,000. Admittedly there were issues with the lights before hand, but there was a huge queue to get in and the start could have been delayed because there were so many outside at tapes up. Bearing in mind they were down the bottom of the PL with a string of early season defeats, I have little doubt they still attracted the biggest average attendance in the PL over the season and outstripped most EL clubs as well. I don't think Berwick will do a Newport at all but I think Plymouth's crowds are healthier than Berwick's I also think Plymouth's septet will cost less, admittedly Plymouth dont have the GP challenge. Eveen allowing for Cockle, Franchetti & Glanz and what I heard are most reasonable terms for Barker, I doubt it. The reason Fisher isn't ridingh EL is because his demands are excessive and I amazed he did a deal with any PL club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Interesting stuff thanks Halifax. Hope to have a look sometime in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm not so sure about rider's being put off signing for Plymouth, i think if you offer any rider the right money they will sign, with Lanham it's just a matter of the distance he has to travel, it's not like he has to make the trip five day's a week, it's just once a week on a friday, i think he is very lucky to be offered a ride just a month before the season start's, it could be month's before he get's offered another one. Ashworth went on record saying he was offered a very good deal to sign for Plymouth but he still went elsewhere and he did state travel as part of his reasoning (not the only reason though granted). When you get a reputation for yourself it can be very hard to get the monkey off the back so to speak. There have been comments on here from individuals claiming Mr Bowden owes riders from last year money and other comments that suggest he has gone back on his word on various 'deals' he has done. Whether these are true or not they don't help when trying to attract riders. As for Lanham I'd say he's very much unlucky rather than lucky. He had a club until last week and through no fault of his own now finds himself possibly on the sidelines, I get your point though about him being lucky to have a contract on the table so soon after Newportgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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