The White Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I enjoyed the 'Hog Roast' at the Pairs Meeting a couple of years ago. BEST I've ever had. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english roundabout Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I took part in that little feast too the white knight! I even went back for more later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I took part in that little feast too the white knight! I even went back for more later!  I had TWO Hog Roasts £3 Each or TWO for a Fiver. you just had to have TWO - I did anyway.  Loverly Jubberly!!! :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Ashworth having the contract in his hand's, all he had to do is sign it and send it back, how would Mike Bowden be able to change it like some people seem to think he has if the rider has it, and had it in his hand's at least two week's, in my opinion Ashworth should never have agreed to join Plymouth in the first place, only doing so because he would be without a team.    Maybe next time your down at the SBA i will come over and your can call me pathetic to my face, i stand by what i have said, pathetic or not.  You are right we will never know the full fact's, but by not saying it was Plymouth's fault in any way that say's Mike Bowden did not change the term's of the contract, if he did then that would be a very reason not to come to Plymouth, and he would have said that, would he not  As Womble said, behave.  While we won't know the truth, I don't think Mike Bowden did change the contract (which is why I publicly apologised)- I think Ashworth changed his mind regarding the travelling.  While he should not have agreed to join Plymouth in the first place, he's not the first and he won't be the last to give backword and I can understand why he did.  The thing is quite unusually it looks as though everyone has benefitted from his change of mind so, at the end of the day, who really cares ?  Somerset is a great little track. Yes the facilities are pretty basic but that for me is part of the attraction. Parking in a field, a decent plate of chilli and chips, and almost guaranteed excellent racing. I have been there numerous times and never been disappointed. Recommend a visit to the cider farm nearby too. The scrumpy is fantastic. As for plymouuth, I look forward to visiting for tge first time this year. You guys have put together a really attractive side  Last season was a bit under par but otherwise I would agree - I have seen some terrific speedway there in the past. Fingers crossed that a new track curator will restore it to its best.  Like you, for me its the racing that counts, not the stadium.  If Plymouth is anything like it was last year, you won't be disappointed. It is a a bit spartan but the speedway can be out of the top drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english roundabout Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Can't wait to check out the plymouth track. Sounds like you have good racing too. It doesn't sound like the track is too technical despite being small. Whenever I see or visit eastbourne or lakeside, they both appear difficult tracks to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 *sigh* I'm not saying that neither party is to blame, just that we'll probably never know the truth and to blame either without the real facts is a bit silly. The fact that Ashworth decided to keep quiet over the matter while Bowden ranted like a spoiled brat doesn't prove or disprove anything. Hopefully all parties can move on once the season starts as Plymouth, Berwick, Ashworth and Fisher all seem better off with the arrangements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Riders have been warned officially about what they say on social networking sites, so you won't hear the truth now, but it doesn't take much working out, with dodgy Mike involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoggy Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Ashworth having the contract in his hand's, all he had to do is sign it and send it back, how would Mike Bowden be able to change it like some people seem to think he has if the rider has it, and had it in his hand's at least two week's, in my opinion Ashworth should never have agreed to join Plymouth in the first place, only doing so because he would be without a team.    Maybe next time your down at the SBA i will come over and your can call me pathetic to my face, i stand by what i have said, pathetic or not.  You are right we will never know the full fact's, but by not saying it was Plymouth's fault in any way that say's Mike Bowden did not change the term's of the contract, if he did then that would be a very reason not to come to Plymouth, and he would have said that, would he not  Roger, I have already asked Phil to pull one of your posts where you have insinuated collusion with Berwick. You may choose to have an opinion but when it is untrue and you maintain that inuendo on this forum then please expect me to get warmed up about it. The riders contract is always with his parent club in this case Sheffield, we (Sheffield) provide the loan agreement to Plymouth or whoever he rides for, Ashworth and Mike failed to agree terms and Ashworth informed me he would sit out the start of the season having told Mike accordingly. It was me who set about finding my rider a job and Berwick were more than surprised to hear from me, this was on the afternoon after their young Aussie had been hurt and having lost 2 of their 2012 team I felt it appropriate to make contact. I am also responsible for telling Ashworth to keep his mouth shut and not make any negative comments towards Plymouth or Mike, perhaps now you will rest your opinion too and no longer cast aspersions towards Ashworth, Berwick or indirectly, me. Edited February 12, 2012 by Hoggy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Roger, I have already asked Phil to pull one of your posts where you have insinuated collusion with Berwick. You may choose to have an opinion but when it is untrue and you maintain that inuendo on this forum then please expect me to get warmed up about it. The riders contract is always with his parent club in this case Sheffield, we (Sheffield) provide the loan agreement to Plymouth or whoever he rides for, Ashworth and Mike failed to agree terms and Ashworth informed me he would sit out the start of the season having told Mike accordingly. It was me who set about finding my rider a job and Berwick where more than surprised to hear from me, this was on the afternoon after their young Aussie had been hurt and having lost 2 of their 2012 team I felt it appropriate to make contact. I am also responsible for telling Ashworth to keep his mouth shut and not make any negative comments towards Plymouth or Mike, perhaps now you will rest your opinion too and no longer cast aspersions towards Ashworth, Berwick or indirectly, me. Â Thank you for your comments, Dave. It is always appreciated when a member of the speedway establishment (for want of a better term) comes on here and gives us the benefit of their opinion (even if that is because you are getting 'warmed up' about it ). Â As one or two have pointed out, the situation seems to have worked out to everyone's advantage and for that reason it can be quickly forgotten. Â One last point: I think you are absolutely right to tell Ricky Ashworth not to make negative comments. Mike Bowden had, I believe, reason to feel let down but did himself no favours by publicly criticising the rider in the way that he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Pity Ashworth couldn't/didn't get a place with his parent club tho, when others of less ability did. But it's a numbers game at the end of the day...No doubt Sheffield would put Ashworths name to other clubs both for him to get a ride and them to get a loan fee. He'll do a good job at Berwick, so Berwicks gain is Sheffield and Plymouths loss IMO.... Edited February 12, 2012 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Dont see the problem,Plymouth lost out on Ashworth and gained Fisher,no bad thing IMO.Certainly makes Plymouth a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephantman Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I can't recall reading anywhere that Ashworth has a history of breaking his word or causing problems during contract negotiations. Away from the track he appears to quietly get on with that side of things in an uncontroversial way. Â Throughout my life I've discovered empty vessels do make the most noise and those who point the finger at others usually do so because they don't want closer scrutiny of their own actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Why did you stop Ricky from saying that in the Speedway Star, the negative comment's would have been toward Mike Bowden, to be honest i don't see the reason why Ricky went into the SS and did not give his full story, if he was shafted by MB then he should have said so, we at Plymouth would know then who to blame, but now i don't know what's what, i will rest my opinion now, but for you to come on make's me feel it's not just MB that we should only think can bend thing's to there advantage, i think the only difference between football and speedway is footballer's get payed more, thing's that go on off the track are just the same. Â Â Â Hoggy is absolutely right to instruct Ashworth not to say anything. For a start, there is enough dirty linen washed in public where speedway is concerned as it is. Secondly, contract matters are strictly confidential. Finally, while some of Bowden's comments are petulant, childish and absolutely unnecessary (what on earth is wrong with saying 'we feel let down and disappointed' and leaving it at that ?) Ashworth's are fair and dignified. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 So that make's it ok with everyone, so because Bowden had a rant that's wrong, well that's your opinion, you can keep it, because a person has a rant don't make it wrong to everyone, maybe you, but not everyone, yes some of Bowden's comment's are petulant, childish and unesessary, but who are you to make a judgement on that, you just give an opinion, yes he could of said it a different way, but he didn't, don't tell me you have never had a rant, or are you so perfect that you don't need to. Â Roger, as a fellow Devils supporter can I ask you to consider carefully before you post. You are winning yourself and the Devils few friends on this forum. The Lord knows we have few enough already; indeed sometimes I'm not even sure that our promotion likes us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 tread carefully ancient mariner roger might turn on you,we know what hes like from our own forum and i am sure the speedway world wont tar us all with the same brush well i hope not anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I think this situation sums up Mr Bowden to be honest. Â I can understand if he feels let down and frustrated by Ricky deciding to do a U-turn (we all have our own theories as to why), but the fact remains there has been no professionalism on the part of Mr Bowden here. No dignity. Voice your thoughts yes but to 'slag' off a rider in the way he has in the press is bordering on childish. There are an awful lot of things that have gone on behind the scenes here and to be perfectly honest by throwing the toys out of the pram as Mr Bowden isn't really going to help his cause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Is devildodger always like this or is he on drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Is devildodger always like this or is he on drugs? Â No drug's SCB, but thank's for asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 He's only asking so he knows where to come should he visit Plymouth lol....reverse psycology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english roundabout Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I appreciate I don't know the ins and outs of what's happened with ashcroft or what bowden has done but from where I sit you guys have a decent team. Apparently healthy attendances too. I'm looking forward to visiting next year and watching some real racers in fisher barker and to a lesser extent boxall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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