lionking Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 My point for calling him judas was the way he left Instead of saying he no longer wanted to ride for Leicester & that he wanted to move to another club he told everyone at Leicester that he was home sick that he had saved enough money & had booked a flight back to OZ. When the truth was the only flight he had booked was to Glasgow international So i stand by my comment that he is a coward & i'm sure alot of other Leicester supporters will agree that he is seen as Judas at Leicester he got a very hostile reception when he returned to ride for Glasgow . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Your post makes no sense. You call him Judas but how did he betray Leicester? It's not as if his form picked up in Glasgow. And if he was, "exposed last year as not upto the grade" then he's not a Judas. Behind good enough doesn't make you a Judas. Richard like many other riders before him had a poor season, it happens, sometimes to very good riders. Taking a year out and staying in Australia in 2012 is an elaborate ploy to hide his piss taking of Leicester as to most of us it looks like the actions of someone home sick, not you though. If anyone took the piss last year it was your management for putting out the team everyone said was rubbishe and so it proved. I get what you are saying SCB, but why did he say he was homesick, or was that just hearsay, why didn't he just say he needed a change, it did not make much difference, because i don't think he helped Glasgow or Himself by moving, i think he was just having a bad year, and should have gone home, like he said he was going to do, but like you said he was just not up to it, i think if he had been British he would have got bined by Leicester earlier than he left, he stayed there far to long, and did nothing for Glasgow after leaving Leicester to go to them. Another rider that was just not up to it last year was Justin Sedgeman, he had a very bad time at Newport, and if he was British would have been dropped long before he was, but instead of going home and holding his hand up and saying he had a bad year, he let Mike Bowden sign him, which was a big mistake on both party's, he was average at home and dire away, then in the end he just told Plymouth on a thursday when they had a meeting on a friday that he wasn't going to ride for them, when he should never had signed for Plymouth in the first place, i think it was a stupid move by Sedgeman, and a stupid signing by Mike Bowden, but not the first one by him, and not the last, if you look at this year's team Edited February 8, 2012 by Devildodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orderly Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I get what you are saying SCB, but why did he say he was homesick, or was that just hearsay, why didn't he just say he needed a change, it did not make much difference, because i don't think he helped Glasgow or Himself by moving, i think he was just having a bad year, and should have gone home, like he said he was going to do, but like you said he was just not up to it, i think if he had been British he would have got bined by Leicester earlier than he left, he stayed there far to long, and did nothing for Glasgow after leaving Leicester to go to them. Another rider that was just not up to it last year was Justin Sedgeman, he had a very bad time at Newport, and if he was British would have been dropped long before he was, but instead of going home and holding his hand up and saying he had a bad year, he let Mike Bowden sign him, which was a big mistake on both party's, he was average at home and dire away, then in the end he just told Plymouth on a thursday when they had a meeting on a friday that he wasn't going to ride for them, when he should never had signed for Plymouth in the first place, i think it was a stupid move by Sedgeman, and a stupid signing by Mike Bowden, but not the first one by him, and not the last, if you look at this year's team I think that a lot of riders had a bad year in 2011 and a lot of it was caused by the introduction of the new silencers and their inability to tune the engine to the silencer to maximum performance, this happened in both the elite and the premier leagues and on the grand prix circuit. With Justin Sedgeman I believe that the root cause was the fact that he rode full time in the elite at the start of the season when he was not up to their standard and I blame Ronnie Russell for keeping him in the Swindon team when he should have realized that his head was dropping and pulled him out. I feel that Justin made the mistake of trying to “dig himself out of a hole” which never works, in hind sight he should have pulled the plug and gone home but he is a speedway rider and like most riders they have a never say die attitude. I hope that the break that Justin took has made him better and stronger rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I get what you are saying SCB, but why did he say he was homesick, or was that just hearsay, why didn't he just say he needed a change, it did not make much difference, because i don't think he helped Glasgow or Himself by moving, i think he was just having a bad year, and should have gone home, like he said he was going to do, but like you said he was just not up to it, i think if he had been British he would have got bined by Leicester earlier than he left, he stayed there far to long, and did nothing for Glasgow after leaving Leicester to go to them. Another rider that was just not up to it last year was Justin Sedgeman, he had a very bad time at Newport, and if he was British would have been dropped long before he was, but instead of going home and holding his hand up and saying he had a bad year, he let Mike Bowden sign him, which was a big mistake on both party's, he was average at home and dire away, then in the end he just told Plymouth on a thursday when they had a meeting on a friday that he wasn't going to ride for them, when he should never had signed for Plymouth in the first place, i think it was a stupid move by Sedgeman, and a stupid signing by Mike Bowden, but not the first one by him, and not the last, if you look at this year's team I understand what you are saying. Both riders rode for Brum in the previous years and Sweetman had a great year, whilst Sedgeman started brilliantly but faded midseason. They both showed promise but unfortunately, things just did not not pick up for them last year. That something that was missing, was thought to be homesickness, which must be frustrating to try to overcome. We could all agree that they should have taken time out and gone home to restart their careers say in 2012, but we are talking speedway riders here. In their minds, they would think that another club will be the 'home' they are looking for to get back to where they were. As they were in the UK, it was natural that they give it a go prior to the plan to go home after the season had finished. It must have been a very troubled situation for both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I get what you are saying SCB, but why did he say he was homesick, or was that just hearsay, why didn't he just say he needed a change, it did not make much difference, because i don't think he helped Glasgow or Himself by moving, i think he was just having a bad year, and should have gone home, like he said he was going to do, but like you said he was just not up to it, i think if he had been British he would have got bined by Leicester earlier than he left, he stayed there far to long, and did nothing for Glasgow after leaving Leicester to go to them. Another rider that was just not up to it last year was Justin Sedgeman, he had a very bad time at Newport, and if he was British would have been dropped long before he was, but instead of going home and holding his hand up and saying he had a bad year, he let Mike Bowden sign him, which was a big mistake on both party's, he was average at home and dire away, then in the end he just told Plymouth on a thursday when they had a meeting on a friday that he wasn't going to ride for them, when he should never had signed for Plymouth in the first place, i think it was a stupid move by Sedgeman, and a stupid signing by Mike Bowden, but not the first one by him, and not the last, if you look at this year's team In the case of Sweetman he probably had to say the right things as not to get a 28 day ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think that Sedgmen's confidence was shot to pieces by opting to go full time with Swindon in the first place. To much pressure on him in a very weak Robins team. If he had started the season in the Premier, his season may of been totaly different. Hopefully after his good performances in the Aussie Championships (6th) and runner up in the Under 21s, will continue with us this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ah yes, but then they redeclare with someone who has a comparable average and will sign as they'll actually be getting some meetings. Or if its a long term injury they get someone in permanently from Europe. The point is a token squad member is all thats needed to allow Barker to double up. Signing someone on that average mid season will prove more difficult than expected - running the even one or two meetings with a NL rider, and not using R/R could cost Brum big style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Understandable that he wanted to leave Leicester. He was fantastic at Birmingham the previous year - what did Leicester do to him? Not so much Leicester, but that awful track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Not so much Leicester, but that awful track! TBF as has been said - he was rubbish even for Glasgow. Couldn't believe it was the same rider who rode for Birmingham last year, when he came to the OTA last year and scored 0 from 3 rides for Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Not so much Leicester, but that awful track! Your right Shadders, i don't think many got to grip's with the Leicester track last year, i know being a Plymouth supporter the first three season's the track at the SBA was terrible for Speedway, it wasn't until Mike Bowden payed to have the track skimmed that the racing got better, now the track mite be small but the speedway is very good, all we need now is a team and somewhere to sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Your right Shadders, i don't think many got to grip's with the Leicester track last year, i know being a Plymouth supporter the first three season's the track at the SBA was terrible for Speedway, it wasn't until Mike Bowden payed to have the track skimmed that the racing got better, now the track mite be small but the speedway is very good, all we need now is a team and somewhere to sit. My thoughts on Leicester is that the straights are too long for the tight bends... Planning to make my first visit(s) to Plymouth this year (with Rye House & Berwick)... Bringing my own fold up chair!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 My thoughts on Leicester is that the straights are too long for the tight bends... Planning to make my first visit(s) to Plymouth this year (with Rye House & Berwick)... Bringing my own fold up chair!! The Plymouth set up sums up everything that is wrong with the Speedway image. It's one of them places where if you took a mate who has never been to Speedway in his life, you would be totally embaressed to 'show off' that "This is Speedway". Vile rotten yellow and red open topped steps/seats, broken down bus parked in the corner and a fire engine circulating the track that is probaby more ancient than my grandad. Then you have to answer "Why don't they finish on the start/finish line?" - "Ah well... the track is too small for Premier League regulations." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 My thoughts on Leicester is that the straights are too long for the tight bends... Planning to make my first visit(s) to Plymouth this year (with Rye House & Berwick)... Bringing my own fold up chair!! Bringing your own chair is a very good idea, but the racing should be good. The Plymouth set up sums up everything that is wrong with the Speedway image. It's one of them places where if you took a mate who has never been to Speedway in his life, you would be totally embaressed to 'show off' that "This is Speedway". Vile rotten yellow and red open topped steps/seats, broken down bus parked in the corner and a fire engine circulating the track that is probaby more ancient than my grandad. Then you have to answer "Why don't they finish on the start/finish line?" - "Ah well... the track is too small for Premier League regulations." Yeh and having speedway supporters like you are another thing wrong with speedway don't you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Then you have to answer "Why don't they finish on the start/finish line?" Nobody ever complained at Wimbledon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) The Plymouth set up sums up everything that is wrong with the Speedway image. It's one of them places where if you took a mate who has never been to Speedway in his life, you would be totally embaressed to 'show off' that "This is Speedway". Vile rotten yellow and red open topped steps/seats, broken down bus parked in the corner and a fire engine circulating the track that is probaby more ancient than my grandad. Then you have to answer "Why don't they finish on the start/finish line?" - "Ah well... the track is too small for Premier League regulations." That's rich coming from a Somerset supporter. OTA isn't exactly Wembley stadium where supporters facilities are concerned (unless you count those nice seats on the back straight) and Plymouth at least have the excuse that they don't own the land and have been around for half the time. From what I have heard and seen, Somerset have even lost the reputation of having a terrific race track, while from what I have heard and seen Plymouth have gained one. No question about which track I would prefer to take a newcomer to (Mr Bowden included). Edited February 8, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 That's rich coming from a Somerset supporter. OTA isn't exactly Wembley stadium where supporters facilities are concerned (unless you count those nice seats on the back straight) and Plymouth at least have the excuse that they don't own the land and have been around for half the time. Don't think young Najjer was around when Somerset first opened, otherwise he'd have surely remembered the ramshackle place it was in the early days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Don't think young Najjer was around when Somerset first opened, otherwise he'd have surely remembered the ramshackle place it was in the early days! Aside from the restaurant/bar, I am wondering precisely what they have done since then, because it can't be much. Four visits to Plymouth for me this season pencilled in so far, and that's because its one of the best racing tracks around. Rye House down there could be an absolute cracker of a match. Edited February 8, 2012 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Signing someone on that average mid season will prove more difficult than expected - running the even one or two meetings with a NL rider, and not using R/R could cost Brum big style. Quite, although you could say the same about many riders on varying averages. Its the chance a promoter takes when he signs any rider. As for the second bit, and bearing in mind how easy it seems to be for speedway riders to get hold of sick notes nowadays, I reckon R/R would always pop up when required. Rather than an NL rider I was thinking more of a PL rider not currently in a doubling up spot, plenty to choose from. Lynn have pretty much done the same thing by naming Palm-Toft....rumour has it that he was suprised as anyone when our squad was announced Edited February 8, 2012 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 My thoughts on Leicester is that the straights are too long for the tight bends... Planning to make my first visit(s) to Plymouth this year (with Rye House & Berwick)... Bringing my own fold up chair!! And we will be delighted to see you. Don't expect anything too grand, but if you ignore the 'Scrapheap Challenge' exterior you will, I hope, see some good racing. I'll be more than happy to make myself known to you - usually stand on the apex of Bends 1 and 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 And we will be delighted to see you. Don't expect anything too grand, but if you ignore the 'Scrapheap Challenge' exterior you will, I hope, see some good racing. I'll be more than happy to make myself known to you - usually stand on the apex of Bends 1 and 2. At the moment I'm planning on coming down for the PL match with Rye House on 20th July and again with Berwick on 14th September... Hope to see you there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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