torpointfanatic22 Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 It's a fair point. People call speedway riders nice guys, loverly guys, kind guys. So what. Give me a prick of a guy who wins races and is exciting over a "nice guy" who is pants. If I want to meet "nice guys" I'll go out socialising. Frankly, most people couldn't care less about the personality or the private lives of speedway riders, we care about what we see on track. Absolutely agree and in my post I said he's a nice guy and a trier but went on to say he hasn't done it at Plymouth and didn't want him back with Werner already signed! This is how crap writers make stories out of nothing by twisting words, Naj is good at that I have to admit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 http://www.youtube.c...6BEB38BBE492B0C Good luck next season Brent Werner.... will we ever see races like this again.... Aye, superb race, and a superb ride. Shame that was about the only ride that he scored any points in for us, before retiring after a hand full of meetings after averaging about 2.00. Naj is good at that I have to admit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston197 Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Having watched Brent werner over the years,he could always be counted on to hold position if he made the gate,and could cover an overtake move as good as any,funny enough the races he won at Newport always seemed to be the slowest heats because he was difficult to overtake,problem only occurred when he missed the gate,just never seemed to be able to overtake anybody other than a struggling reserve in his latter years.Could be a good acquisition if he has his gating sorted out,but will probably struggle in the PL against most opposition if he is slow out of the trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Where do I find Plymouth's riders' 2011 averages. Not rolling ones just 2011's Cheers BB Can anyone help please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 Can anyone help please? http://plymouthdevils.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=results&action=display&thread=1085 You can try this from the Devils supporters forum. Hope the link works and hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) Local paper mentions James Holder, Christian Hefenbrock & Ricky Ashworth.................. Ashworth, Hefenbrock & Franchetti would fit and Werner aside, that wouldn't be a bad team. Better Cockle than Holder. Edited December 14, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Ashworth would be superb and that would give us a tremendous top 2 although I simply can't see it happening in a million years. Hef would be a good option in my opinion despite all the injuries he's had he's on a low average which should improve, although Bowden will probably go for Smart instead. Holder, no thanks I'd rather take a punt on a 3 point NL rider to be honest and I'd take Cockle over him also every day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROAD CLOSED Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Ashworth and Barker to win the pairs, im of to the bookies now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Ashworth would be superb and that would give us a tremendous top 2 although I simply can't see it happening in a million years. . I can't either, but you have to ask yourself where else is he going to go ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I can't either, but you have to ask yourself where else is he going to go ? Full time EL maybe? It's just sad that because of Mr Bowden's actions of previous seasons us fans automatically rule out signing top riders when realistically we can afford to have a very competitive team at PL level. I appreciate Ricky is based in Manchester but if the right deal was on the table and Mr Bowden showed some ambition to recruit proven quality performers (Barker aside) he could well be up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Full time EL maybe? It's just sad that because of Mr Bowden's actions of previous seasons us fans automatically rule out signing top riders when realistically we can afford to have a very competitive team at PL level. I appreciate Ricky is based in Manchester but if the right deal was on the table and Mr Bowden showed some ambition to recruit proven quality performers (Barker aside) he could well be up for it. EL is a possibility but he apparently can't make PL pay so I would be surprised. Sadly, I think you are right. The way I see it in Plymouth's case (almost uniquely) it is somewhat of a false economy to run with a team destined to be near the bottom of the league as I am certain that the additional cost of a winning side would be offset by an increase in gates. I suspect that the damage has already been done, anyway. Even if Ashworth and Hefenbrock were signed, you still have Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Just to get the rumour mill going Ricky Ashworth is now friends with Plymouth Speedway on Facebook! It's on peeps!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy17 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Take Big Fil Sitera! Would be on around a 5 point average... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Take Big Fil Sitera! Would be on around a 5 point average... Fil on our small track! Hmm, could be worth a punt though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy17 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Fil on our small track! Hmm, could be worth a punt though! He needs to learn the small tracks so would take a little while, but I'm sure he could easily score more than his average away from home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msc1874 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Back when Edinburgh came back to the league at Armadale in 1997, Long Eaton were the strongest team around at the time and Brent Werner was first class. Gated, stylish and real top drawer performer. I think Brent has always been a stylish performer ability does not disappear overnight. I dont think Brent will ever be a heat leader again, but certainly could be more than useful at second string. But at the same time I am torn. I have always like Brent as a rider, but is he taking the place of a British rider who could do an equal or better job? A Lee Smart, Chris Mills. Look I am not down on Brent or Plymouth I am just throwing the question out there does he truly merit a place in the PL. I am torn as I say like the guy in his hay day, but looking at who is missing out on a place I begin to question the wisdom of his inclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Back when Edinburgh came back to the league at Armadale in 1997, Long Eaton were the strongest team around at the time and Brent Werner was first class. Gated, stylish and real top drawer performer. I think Brent has always been a stylish performer ability does not disappear overnight. I dont think Brent will ever be a heat leader again, but certainly could be more than useful at second string. But at the same time I am torn. I have always like Brent as a rider, but is he taking the place of a British rider who could do an equal or better job? A Lee Smart, Chris Mills. Look I am not down on Brent or Plymouth I am just throwing the question out there does he truly merit a place in the PL. I am torn as I say like the guy in his hay day, but looking at who is missing out on a place I begin to question the wisdom of his inclusion. Sadly, 1997 is an awful long time ago. Brent Werner has looked like a completely spent force for quite some time, he had an average spell at Somerset and that's about it. I doubt he will make his average or see out the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Fil would make a mockery of his 5 point average in the PL. He can gate and wobble around and most PL riders won't have a clue how to pass him. Even on a tiny track like Plymouth he could get 7+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 Quite agree, there must be a good reason why he hasn't been signed up by a PL side yet. I don't think he has any trouble riding small tracks. When he gates he can get round them fine....as with the big uns his trouble in the EL has been getting to that first turn in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 What would Sitera's PL average be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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