Lovey Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Just an observation Simon Lambert's first 3 outings high and wide on the 1st/2nd bend which caused Re runs, heat 13 re-run and heat 15 start (this after the "incidents") he took a much tighter line result no carnage, yet he still won the race, the boy at this level is class, but he has been involved in so many 1st bend incidents at Mildenhall in both meetings this season that it cannott be coincidence, and the obvious truth is he doesnt need to do it, he can win at this level without causing potentially big problems for others. <Facebook> Like <\Facebook> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iannewsman Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Where's Mr Vasey with his comments? He doesn't usually duck out of sticking up for his riders. The newspaper ramblings of Mr Louis or the web postings of Mr Vasey have nothing to do with any violence or bad behavior among supporters. They were adults and are fully capable of being responsible for their on actions. I wasn't there, but I'll bet the majority, if not all, of those causing the trouble were older than the young riders involved. Some people are just predisposed to bad behavior and don't need much to set them off. As for riders picking up spanners etc. Well, it was the climax of an important speedway match and riders will already have the adrenilin flowing, so perhaps it isn't too surprising (While not condoning it). If the fans had behaved themselves and stuck to just verbal anger instead of apparently acting like thugs, then it might not have got out of hand. Perhaps a few are watching the wrong sport or maybe they are ex Milwall hooligans who moved to the Fens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I really do hope that speedway is not going to go the way of football with this sort of behaviour. I have seen isolated incidents of poor language at a few tracks over the years, including Loomer Rd but this is something that should not be put up with by anyone. Poor football put me off at Vale 15 years ago but was asked to take some kids to the Brit two years back. On that occasion and another since after I was persuaded it was a one off I have left games just into the second half because of foul and obusive language, and threats to myself and kids for asking someone not to kick my seat. I know it's very old school to think this way but we have far better ways of raising our voices in support of our teams than to turn the air blue. I was not at the meeting on Sunday but by the sounds it was not pleasant enviroment to have youngsters in, never mind adults. Lets see what happens this weekend; just hope the speedway brings our discussions to the forum and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) I.have seen a big change in peoples attitudes over the years.Even older people in there 40 and 50 now swear in public and seem to think it is excitable.I just look at them as morons who lack education the standard of people as gone down in my opinion. Even the younger ones F and Blind in front of girls and some girls even come out with bad language,so the type of idiots that have a pint of shandy and cant hold there beer cause trouble.I was a handy ladd in my day and even now any i could take out a few drunks. I find it disgusting the way people behave today they should grow up and behave.If i come across any of these morons at a speedway they will be sorry we have know place for idiots.I have followed speedway for 60 years and always felt it a safe place to take my family and it must remain a safe place or it will perish.To all you so called men who cant take beer without becoming idiots dont drink. Edited September 27, 2011 by bw double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Can't quote atm,but 2ndbendpostie, I thought Rambo was involved in 2 reruns,one in heat 11 when he was going for the outside,and one in heat 13. On the heat 13 incident,I was stood on the second bend, and it looked like Hargreaves(I think) made the gate and was stuck in 2 minds between clamping Lambert down or running wide. He left a gap there then when Lambert was marginally in front,attempted to shut the gap,resulting in his front wheel hitting Lambets leg. No need for what happened after. Not going to comment on the mindless portion of fans who thought it appropriate to attempt to rip the pits fence down. Hopefully the whole incident has been recorded by the Ref and the SCB/BSPA take whatever action they deem necessary. What Mildenhall need now is a nice quiet weekend against a team who they have no issues with in a couple of meaningless meetings,,, Damn. See you Sunday =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I.have seen a big change in peoples attitudes over the years.Even older people in there 40 and 50 now swear in public and seem to think it is excitable.I just look at them as morons who lack education the standard of people as gone down in my opinion. Even the younger ones F and Blind in front of girls and some girls even come out with bad language,so the type of idiots that have a pint of shandy and cant hold there beer cause trouble.I was a handy ladd in my day and even now any i could take out a few drunks. I find it disgusting the way people behave today they should grow up and behave.If i come across any of these morons at a speedway they will be sorry we have know place for idiots.I have followed speedway for 60 years and always felt it a safe place to take my family and it must remain a safe place or it will perish.To all you so called men who cant take beer without becoming idiots dont drink. Irony is a wonderful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best meeting of the year, thrills, spills, heroes and villains - if all meetings were like this we would have packed stadia evey meeting. Has everone gone soft or something? forget about who did what - 14 young lads ( even include "Tommy" in that for getting on with it after 2 bad spills ) with passion and desire to win. O.K. it spilled over but I am sure respective Team Managers will sort it out "in house" - and hopefully anybody spitting etc at riders will be banned, that goes beyond disgraceful. Credit both sets of Managers for calming things down - e.g. Chris Louis took a couple of the Stoke riders into the tunnel while it was all kicking off and I am sure Malcolm would have done similar. Somewhat overlooked as well was the Stoke fightback from 38 - 20 down, good Team management and tacticals full credit for digging in deep when it would have been easier to cave in. For Mildenhall some gutsy performances too, if the next three meetings are as competitive and close will be a great run out to the end of the season. Hope to see the same amount of Stoke fans back too, the ones that were around me were spot on Speedway people. Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best meeting of the year, thrills, spills, heroes and villains - if all meetings were like this we would have packed stadia evey meeting. Has everone gone soft or something? forget about who did what - 14 young lads ( even include "Tommy" in that for getting on with it after 2 bad spills ) with passion and desire to win. O.K. it spilled over but I am sure respective Team Managers will sort it out "in house" - and hopefully anybody spitting etc at riders will be banned, that goes beyond disgraceful. Credit both sets of Managers for calming things down - e.g. Chris Louis took a couple of the Stoke riders into the tunnel while it was all kicking off and I am sure Malcolm would have done similar. Somewhat overlooked as well was the Stoke fightback from 38 - 20 down, good Team management and tacticals full credit for digging in deep when it would have been easier to cave in. For Mildenhall some gutsy performances too, if the next three meetings are as competitive and close will be a great run out to the end of the season. Hope to see the same amount of Stoke fans back too, the ones that were around me were spot on Speedway people. Kev Best post on this thread yet...wasn't there on Sunday but hopefully will make both matches this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Best meeting of the year, thrills, spills, heroes and villains - if all meetings were like this we would have packed stadia evey meeting. Has everone gone soft or something? forget about who did what - 14 young lads ( even include "Tommy" in that for getting on with it after 2 bad spills ) with passion and desire to win. O.K. it spilled over but I am sure respective Team Managers will sort it out "in house" - and hopefully anybody spitting etc at riders will be banned, that goes beyond disgraceful. Credit both sets of Managers for calming things down - e.g. Chris Louis took a couple of the Stoke riders into the tunnel while it was all kicking off and I am sure Malcolm would have done similar. Somewhat overlooked as well was the Stoke fightback from 38 - 20 down, good Team management and tacticals full credit for digging in deep when it would have been easier to cave in. For Mildenhall some gutsy performances too, if the next three meetings are as competitive and close will be a great run out to the end of the season. Hope to see the same amount of Stoke fans back too, the ones that were around me were spot on Speedway people. Kev Great post mate See you Sunday (if not Saturday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htcwozz Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Hi guys, new poster here, I know I'm a bit late and i do agree with the poster saying we should see it as speedway and move on, but I'm going to give you my pennies worth if you don't mind. I traveled down to Mildenhall for the first time on Sunday, and on the balance of things i had a great time, the club is ran very well and the majority of the fans are great people. But lets move to the "incident". From what i could see to put all the blame on 1 single rider for the crash is a bit over the top, i think Lambert probably could be the main culprit, but all 4 guys wanted to win the race, and all 4 pushed as hard as possible, and unfortunately (like very often in Speedway) it had a bad outcome. All 4 riders are OK, which is the main thing here lets not forget. What i saw afterwards wasn't very good at all, attempted gang assaults on a young rider by middle aged men, fans deliberately trying to damage riders equipment thus potentially distrupting their careers and attack mechanics and riders throguh the fencing. I never saw Sarj with a spanner, but if he did do this then I agree he should be punished, regardless of wehather he felt threatened or not. On a personal note behind me was a group of MFT fans, they wernt "chavs" but you could tell they wouldnt mind a bit of trouble. As Simon was walking back to the pits they were shouting and ballin at him, I looked back as you do to see who it was etc etc. Then (Having my Potters polo shirt on) i recieved a barrage of insults from these men, calling me all the offensive names under the sun. f*!$£ng this p$%!"ng that, calling my girlfriend rude names and words and to be honest I've never felt so threatened in my life. I moved away from these people and tried to avoid them for the rest of the night. It won't put me off coming back this sunday though, as i said most of the fans at mildenhall continued to discuss the situation with me throughout and one lady even told the men to "shut up, your a disgrace to the club". Which was nice. Good luck this weekend Mildenhall, I am looking forward to welcoming you all to loomer road on saturday . Warren Edited September 28, 2011 by CreweStokie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) A fellow Potters fan from Crewe ! Good first post - pity it had to be about such an unpleasant experience. I have always felt safe allowing my kids to roam at Loomer Rd, and hopefully the few idiots who spoil it won't be travelling on Saturday, otherwise I'll be keeping them close. Edited September 28, 2011 by ChubbyCheshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htcwozz Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Ah, when i saw Cheshire in your name I had a inkling you were a fellow Crewey, Nice to hear from you sir. Yep, i constantly see young kids roam around Loomer road with their friends, same with many circuits to be fair. I'm too young to have children myself but if i ever do, I shall not be letting them leave my sight if these idiots or the like are about, home or away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) You know it's funny, if you listen to any long term speedway fan more often than not someone will have a story about "That 'Crazy John Smith' the ex rider who fenced opponents for a living and what a lark the fisticuffs in the pits were, I well remember him lamping that foreign rider Uja Nikabolokov and the bikes going down like dominoes! And what about that local derby where Bodgers Badgers beat the home team to win the league and they were surrounded by irate fans banging on the cars! Oh great halcyon days! The charecters! Now where's my pen, I'm going to write a stern letter about this despicable fracas last night, should all be banned and flogged, think of the children, the humanity of it all!!" Edited September 30, 2011 by 40-38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true fan Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 it is unfortunately a sad fact that swearing is part and parcel of every day life,go to any football,cricket.rugby,speedway etc,and sadly go by any group of school kids and you will hear bad languese.if you barred everyone for swearing (i take it you include players riders etc) you would have half empty stadiums less speedway clubs and virtually no sport at all. i take it MIMMO and friends you dont have a TV because of obscence chants by football fans and players, international rugby players etc.and what about the dramas and films where bad languese is used all the time. mildenhall fans are noisy vociferous and create a great atmosphere which is enjoyed by everyone,the most crowded parts of the stadium are the fish bar john,s shop and the bar area,why do you think people and there kids sit there every meeting i dont condone the bad languese but alas as i said it is a sad fact of life nowadays.people with there kids sit there at every meeting because they are grown up adults and except unfortunally that this is part of everyday life. where i was sitting the mildenhall fans in the stand clapped when lambert got up from his crash only for him to reply with a two finger salute nice these people you refer to never caused any trouble this was started by stoke riders in the pits. MIMMO or should i call you MIKE why do you sit there every meeting and if you know who these people are why dont you confront them you dont because they are not causing and have not caused any trouble in all the years i have been going to mildenhall. people are jealous of the fan base and great management team with have at mildenhall. so mimmo sorry mike gutless people like you cause more trouble with your lies and untrue statements on the internet,get a life get real long live the fen tigers there great fans and management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) There is a difference between swearing and aggressive behaviour - and it is the latter which is being criticised on here and none of us like to see at any event. Edited September 30, 2011 by ChubbyCheshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htcwozz Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 it is unfortunately a sad fact that swearing is part and parcel of every day life,go to any football,cricket.rugby,speedway etc,and sadly go by any group of school kids and you will hear bad languese.if you barred everyone for swearing (i take it you include players riders etc) you would have half empty stadiums less speedway clubs and virtually no sport at all. i take it MIMMO and friends you dont have a TV because of obscence chants by football fans and players, international rugby players etc.and what about the dramas and films where bad languese is used all the time. mildenhall fans are noisy vociferous and create a great atmosphere which is enjoyed by everyone,the most crowded parts of the stadium are the fish bar john,s shop and the bar area,why do you think people and there kids sit there every meeting i dont condone the bad languese but alas as i said it is a sad fact of life nowadays.people with there kids sit there at every meeting because they are grown up adults and except unfortunally that this is part of everyday life. where i was sitting the mildenhall fans in the stand clapped when lambert got up from his crash only for him to reply with a two finger salute nice these people you refer to never caused any trouble this was started by stoke riders in the pits. MIMMO or should i call you MIKE why do you sit there every meeting and if you know who these people are why dont you confront them you dont because they are not causing and have not caused any trouble in all the years i have been going to mildenhall. people are jealous of the fan base and great management team with have at mildenhall. so mimmo sorry mike gutless people like you cause more trouble with your lies and untrue statements on the internet,get a life get real long live the fen tigers there great fans and management. Although I salute your pride for your club, let me respond in a adult manner. Swearing is not what is being discussed, I hear swearing at every sporting event, work day, walk home, work meeting and coming together with friends I ever taken part in. Frankly, swearing doesn't offend me. In regards to my topic I was not complaining about swearing, we all do it at some point to support our team, I was refering to a host of personal abuse that I revieved by a small group of mildenhall fans. These people were a push bike length behind me and yet they screamed threats and insults towards me and my associates. This is not simply swearing with a pint in your hand at the speedway, this is HOOLIGANISM at its very worst, and shouldn't be tolerated or defended by anybody. Including the co supporters of the offenders. By no means am I taring all mildenhall fans with one brush. Most of them are great, but to hint at the fact That all fen tiger fans are saints is a little over passionate if you ask me, same with any club in any sport. You will realise this when the same thing that happened to me happens to you, god forbid I hope it doesn't though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'd like to think you'd see no trouble at Loomer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horneymikh Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'd like to think you'd see no trouble at Loomer. Don't you believe it mate. Have witnessed plenty of incidents from a certain few Stoke supporters in the past with opposing fans. I've also seen opposing riders gesturing towards the fans at Loomer, but cannot recall the Stoke fans trying to attack the rider because of it. As i heard it, the Tigers fans were cheering while the Stoke riders were on the deck and not when they had got up, thats why Lambert gestured to the fans, however I wasn't there, so definilty not saying that the case. If Lambert did stick the fingers up when fans clapped when he got up, then thats pretty stupid, but is it worth ripping a fence down to get to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'd like to think you'd see no trouble at Loomer. Last time i was there they had trouble with the electrics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htcwozz Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 hi crewe stokie i am 69 years old and still trying to work this computor thing out.have replyed to you under hooligans hope you can find it Sorry sir, can't seem to find what your refering to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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