Belle Vue V Sheffield Playoff Semi

[TMW]

Why should that be the case,??if so,shouldnt Richardson have been in you main body and your no.8 in the reserves??

 

Had BV had a rider who 'couldnt make it' and put Widman at No.8 with r/r then they would have been in wrong yes but they didn't know how Nielson wouldgoround Belle Vue so they left R/R to fall back on

Edited September 29, 2011 by TMW

[montie]

Had BV had a rider who 'couldnt make it' and put Widman at No.8 with r/r then they would have been in wrong yes.

 

Since when has Widman been your no. 8???

[TMW]

Since when has Widman been your no. 8???

 

Nielson isn't Scunfields No-8 Oliver Greenwood is. Anyway I think we should agree to disagree

Edited September 29, 2011 by TMW

[montie]

Nielson isn't Scunfields No-8 Oliver Greenwood is. Anyway I think we should agree to disagree

 

below is taken from BSPA declared line ups.Look who is Saint no.8

 

1 Gary Irving 8.47

2 Steve Worrall 8.22

3 Ashley Birks 7.93

4 Richie Worrall 7.71

5 Benji Compton 6.28

6 Lee Smethills 5.33

7 Adam Wrathall 4.44

8 Stefan Nielsen 4.34

Total 48.38

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[TMW]

below is taken from BSPA declared line ups.Look who is Saint no.8

 

1 Gary Irving 8.47

2 Steve Worrall 8.22

3 Ashley Birks 7.93

4 Richie Worrall 7.71

5 Benji Compton 6.28

6 Lee Smethills 5.33

7 Adam Wrathall 4.44

8 Stefan Nielsen 4.34

Total 48.38

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I'm aware of that and the technicalities. My point is is it right. You feel it is thank you for taking the time to answer my question

[scribbler]

Stefan Nielsen is also in his first season - just like Greenwood. The Worralls are in their second season and Irving, Birks and Wrathall in their third season.

 

Bekker, Mason, McKinna and Richardson have - how may years - of Speedway riding between them???

 

Which team is developing youngsters - and which team builds a side to try and win silverware? Last year Rob Godfrey was criticized for his youth development (by some people). This year he's being criticized (by some people) for using youngsters who are improving...

[Fozzie4388]

For the Record Widman has been riding for Belle Vue at number 6 all season and Oliver Greenwood hasnt been the Saints Number 8 since April when Paul Cooper signed for the Saints.

 

I also notice Leicester are at Ipswich next thursday so will this mean No Garrity for the Colts?

Edited September 29, 2011 by Superstar1

[montie]

 

 

I also notice Leicester are at Ipswich next thursday so will this mean No Garrity for the Colts?

 

Im sure Leicester will release him to ride for the Colts being POSF,

 

maybe they wont be happy as he been doing really well for the lions but im sure he will be at the owlhut

[Halifaxtiger]

That's a first!

 

You forgot 0 for r/r though and you can't have been there as you would also have mentioned the two examples of ridiculous and stupid dangerous riding which caused the meeting to be abandoned early.

 

 

Usually meetings are abandoned at Belle Vue because of the 'ridiculous and dangerous' state of the track, which, although much better than on previous visits, still caused a rider to fall when he was way in front (due to a 'large rut') and may indeed have resulted in Irving losing control because it was in almost exactly the same place.

 

The simple fact is this meeting was up to the usual standard of Belle Vue meetings - bloody awful.

 

As to criticism of Scunthorpe/Sheffield's team, just how many of those Colts riders are Belle Vue assets, how many have been around at NL level for years and how many are products of the club ? Compare that to the Saints and there was only one team out there that is using the NL as the development league it is.

[squall]

That's a first!

 

I've been watching speedway for longer than I care to remember and that is the first time a fan has admitted his team did well only because of 'falls, bike problems and exclusions'.

 

You forgot 0 for r/r though and you can't have been there as you would also have mentioned the two examples of ridiculous and stupid dangerous riding which caused the meeting to be abandoned early.

 

"jog on" That spoils it though,

 

Jog on

An insult, meaning 'f**k off'; from the British film "The Football Factory"

 

One of those great, frequently relevant one-liners. Now hijacked by chavs, making it sound less impressive than when it was only quoted by those who'd actually seen the movie.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jog%20on

 

I'm not a chav, as I'm sure loads on here can vouch for, so used 'jog on' in it's impressive tone

[montie]

 

 

You forgot 0 for r/r though and you can't have been there as you would also have mentioned the two examples of ridiculous and stupid dangerous riding which caused the meeting to be abandoned early

 

And the two "examples or ridiculous and stupid dangerous riding" were????

[TMW]

Nobody has mentioned the dubious bike not starting on track for all to see to allow Wrathall the better reserve to come in and stop the tactical. I supose he could have just missed the 2 mins but that may have looked a little suspect after a massive interval to attend to Irving.

[TMW]

Anyway enough has been said in both camps. Are all these things 'iffy' or just some coincidences none of us will never know. Surfice to say the Scunny boys did well and I'm sure both Richie and Ashley are pleased with themselves to get the better of Garrity and Howarth not many people have claimed those scalps round Belle Vue I think we should all look forward to a good meeting next week whoever wins.

Edited September 29, 2011 by TMW

[montie]

heat 11 was a classic t-bone and to a lesser extent heat 15

 

check the updates if you want a more impartial opinion

 

http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bvc&action=display&thread=8873

 

http://www.belle-vue-speedway.co.uk/live-results/11505-colts-v-sheffield-playoff-semi-1st-leg.html

 

Heat 11 T-BONE yer right,Widman goes down the back straight on a bike sounding like flymo,Irving goes under him,Widman and irving come together and Irving gets excluded,from where i was stood it looked like Irving was well past and Widman clipped him after being passed

 

heat 15,if that was dangerous and stupid,you dont go to watch racing,4 top riders having a go,Richie blasted around Garity and caught him,its racing,Garity never done that has he!!!!,

 

I no maybe your not used to seeing overtaking moves on that god awfull track but thats what happens sometimes when riders try

 

If they didnt,i wouldnt turn up and watch

 

Maybe pop over to Sheff on Thursday,you never know you may see a pass with a mistake being made

[NeilWatson]

Im sure Leicester will release him to ride for the Colts being POSF,

 

maybe they wont be happy as he been doing really well for the lions but im sure he will be at the owlhut

 

Speedway Regulation 17.9.6 Where a Rider is declared in both a PL & NL Team, then if the NL Team pays a Loan Fee, the NL Team shall have

 

first call on the Rider, otherwise the PL Team have priority, except that a PL Rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC.

 

 

[Bigballs]

Heat 11 T-BONE yer right,Widman goes down the back straight on a bike sounding like flymo,Irving goes under him,Widman and irving come together and Irving gets excluded,from where i was stood it looked like Irving was well past and Widman clipped him after being passed

 

heat 15,if that was dangerous and stupid,you dont go to watch racing,4 top riders having a go,Richie blasted around Garity and caught him,its racing,Garity never done that has he!!!!,

 

I no maybe your not used to seeing overtaking moves on that god awfull track but thats what happens sometimes when riders try

 

If they didnt,i wouldnt turn up and watch

 

Maybe pop over to Sheff on Thursday,you never know you may see a pass with a mistake being made

There was no T Bone Gary dosnt ride like that, as for heat 15 Richie did blast round and catch garity but garity locked up causing them to come together nothing malicious just speedway.

[montie]

You sound like a wolves fan bragging about his track??

 

But, have a word with yourself because 20 years might seem like a long time to you but it might not be long before Sheffield shuts again and then, like the spitting Halifax fans, you will have nothing to brag about again,

 

 

 

Aye i will,i live 3 miles from Scunny!!!!

[Hector Austin]

Stefan Nielsen is also in his first season - just like Greenwood. The Worralls are in their second season and Irving, Birks and Wrathall in their third season.

 

Bekker, Mason, McKinna and Richardson have - how may years - of Speedway riding between them???

 

Which team is developing youngsters - and which team builds a side to try and win silverware? Last year Rob Godfrey was criticized for his youth development (by some people). This year he's being criticized (by some people) for using youngsters who are improving...

 

The one using Lee Smethills as a reserve lol?

 

Just an observation (awaits Montie to put us right )

[montie]

The one using Lee Smethills as a reserve lol?

 

Just an observation (awaits Montie to put us right )

 

What is there to put right,due to the huge success of our development,the likes of Worralls,Birks,Irving etc are above the mighty Smethills,so he drops to reserve

 

turned out nice again

[ouch]

You must be new to speedway otherwise you would be aware ruts are commonly found in speedway tracks, even Hyde Road had the odd rut or two. There was actually a track in Halifax you know, very narrow with steep banking and the turns had a steel 'safety' fence with a rusty jagged top, the track also had the odd rut or two, it was to use your description 'bloody awful' but better than nothing I suppose.

 

The fans were nice as well, PC won one of his many races at the Shay after which the announcer told the crowd he was disgusted as PC had returned to the pits covered in spit.

 

As our chav friend would say 'welcome to speedway', minus the Halifax spitting of course.

 

No meeting have been abandoned due to a dangerous track.

 

Many many tracks from the GP’s down suffer from ruts so we are not a special case.

 

The rut in question was on the inside. Karl kissed it twice in his first race, then fully embraced it in his last. This happens. Irvine did not fall due to a rut.

 

The meeting was fine not “bloody awful”.

 

Not many of the Colts are assets due to the fact that this is our first year and we will look to build up from here. We have offered second half racing for years but have been unable to offer youngsters a league team with regular team racing home and away. This has seen many Aces youngsters lost to the club. A more pertinent question would be how many of the riders on show last night had regular, not the odd one or two, by regular second half rides for the Colts. The list Kyle Howarth

Jason Garrity

Steve Worrall

Richie Worrall

Adam Wrathall

Lee Smethills

 

Even operating on the back foot in terms of developing riders we have still managed to produce this year NL champion in our first year.

 

Interestingly despite the supposed experience of the Colts team we do have a younger average age than Scunfield.

 

The other reason many Colts have gone west is due to the current financial situation as we sort the new stadium together with its academy for British youngsters. The stadium rental cost is so high even for the Colts, we have more than likely spent more on junior speedway than you guys.

 

Here’s hoping we can pick things up again and help UK speedway. The last time we had a decent representation in the GPs, three out of the five were ex Colts.

 

I hope the Colts make the final, they thoroughly deserve it. Having their potential lead almost halved due to faults, though unintentional of the opposing team is hard to take.

Many managers when asked say they want a 10-12 point lead and 9 would have been game on, but to loose 80% of what the lead could have been following the exclusions of members of Scunfield really sticks in my craw.

 

In the current scheme of things with the new stadium, to win the play offs (and the seniors win the KO Cup) would mean so much more than it may normally do and help further raise the profile of Belle Vue at a time when it is most needed.