montie Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I hope the Colts make the final, they thoroughly deserve it. Having their potential lead almost halved due to faults, though unintentional of the opposing team is hard to take. How do you work that one out,you got a bit of luck with a tac ride when out no.1 was in an ambulance,easy 8-1 in the end, You could argue that BV were luck scunny didnt have there no.1 in the final races,due to,from what i though,wasnt his fault,from up at turn one it looked like Irving had passed the flymo Heat 15,i couldnt see much to be honest but looked like Garity pulled a small locker in front of the hard charging Richie Worrall It was a similar one to when Garity was guesting for Scunny when John Oliver had his awfull crash,Blackbird locked up in front of a hard charging Garity,who clattered into him,but was excluded,wrong decison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Lucky! The first running of the race before Irving caused the race stoppage we were on an 8-1. In the rerun we managed to get an er 8-1. That delay though coupled with what happened in heat 15 almost halved our advantage. That's how I worked it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Lucky! The first running of the race before Irving caused the race stoppage we were on an 8-1. In the rerun we managed to get an er 8-1. That delay though coupled with what happened in heat 15 almost halved our advantage. That's how I worked it out. yes,you were on an 8-1,for about 140 m of a 1000m race,then Irving passed the very slow Chris Widman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 yes,you were on an 8-1,for about 140 m of a 1000m race,then Irving passed the very slow Chris Widman Still not biteing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Still not biteing No need to when the fact are there in front of you Fixture is set up nicely to be fair,with out the exclusions and TR it would be game over so in a way it give the promotion at Sheff something to sell to the public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Lets not forget while we bicker that there is a young man who has a broken collarbone who has been overlooked and will miss out on the second leg. I know Scunthorpe will make him as much a part of it as they can but it's not the same as lining up at the tapes. I'm sure all posters will join me in wishing him a speedy recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Lets not forget while we bicker that there is a young man who has a broken collarbone who has been overlooked and will miss out on the second leg. I know Scunthorpe will make him as much a part of it as they can but it's not the same as lining up at the tapes. I'm sure all posters will join me in wishing him a speedy recovery. Agreed,great guy too.Big blow for scunny losing Irving,hes very good at Sheff and almost unbeatable around the EWR,should we make it to the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 yes,you were on an 8-1,for about 140 m of a 1000m race,then Irving passed the very slow Chris Widman [/quote and then went back to knock him off then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 yes,you were on an 8-1,for about 140 m of a 1000m race,then Irving passed the very slow Chris Widman and then went back to knock him off then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) You must be new to speedway otherwise you would be aware ruts are commonly found in speedway tracks, even Hyde Road had the odd rut or two. There was actually a track in Halifax you know, very narrow with steep banking and the turns had a steel 'safety' fence with a rusty jagged top, the track also had the odd rut or two, it was to use your description 'bloody awful' but better than nothing I suppose. The fans were nice as well, PC won one of his many races at the Shay after which the announcer told the crowd he was disgusted as PC had returned to the pits covered in spit. As our chav friend would say 'welcome to speedway', minus the Halifax spitting of course. And you can't have been to many tracks because they don't all have ruts. Poorly prepared ones do, and as its pretty much a universal opinion that Belle Vue is the worst track in Britain I think its fair to suggest that that is likely. No meeting have been abandoned due to a dangerous track. Many many tracks from the GPs down suffer from ruts so we are not a special case. The rut in question was on the inside. Karl kissed it twice in his first race, then fully embraced it in his last. This happens. Irvine did not fall due to a rut. The meeting was fine not bloody awful. Not many of the Colts are assets due to the fact that this is our first year and we will look to build up from here. We have offered second half racing for years but have been unable to offer youngsters a league team with regular team racing home and away. This has seen many Aces youngsters lost to the club. A more pertinent question would be how many of the riders on show last night had regular, not the odd one or two, by regular second half rides for the Colts. The list Kyle Howarth Jason Garrity Steve Worrall Richie Worrall Adam Wrathall Lee Smethills Even operating on the back foot in terms of developing riders we have still managed to produce this year NL champion in our first year. Interestingly despite the supposed experience of the Colts team we do have a younger average age than Scunfield. The other reason many Colts have gone west is due to the current financial situation as we sort the new stadium together with its academy for British youngsters. The stadium rental cost is so high even for the Colts, we have more than likely spent more on junior speedway than you guys. Heres hoping we can pick things up again and help UK speedway. The last time we had a decent representation in the GPs, three out of the five were ex Colts. I hope the Colts make the final, they thoroughly deserve it. Having their potential lead almost halved due to faults, though unintentional of the opposing team is hard to take. Many managers when asked say they want a 10-12 point lead and 9 would have been game on, but to loose 80% of what the lead could have been following the exclusions of members of Scunfield really sticks in my craw. In the current scheme of things with the new stadium, to win the play offs (and the seniors win the KO Cup) would mean so much more than it may normally do and help further raise the profile of Belle Vue at a time when it is most needed. That's funny because I was present a few weeks ago when a meeting was abandoned before the curfew had been reached and after the opposition riders (or most of them) refused to ride because of the state of the track. All I saw was numerous falls on that bend and where everyone else came off Irving straightened up and hit Widman. The problem is that that bend is awful and even if it was Irving's fault there will always be a suspicion that it was down to the track. Crap track preparation produces ruts and that is something that Belle Vue excel in. In fact, the last time I was there (against Stoke & King's Lynn)I saw for the first time a track with a brown groove because the rest was the concrete base. If you think that meeting was 'fine' you need to get to a few other tracks and I shudder to think what you believe a bad one would be. I do not want Belle Vue to make the play off final. I certainly don't think that they deserve it any more than any of the other clubs and Scunthorpe against (almost certainly)Mildenhall will put that final on two of the best racing tracks in the country and provide a mouth watering finale to the NL season. The thought of yet another dreadful meeting at Kirky Lane certainly doesn't have the same appeal. The thing is I agree about raising the profile of Belle Vue and recognise the efforts of David Gordon and Chris Morton over the last few seasons. The sadness is that the appalling (and occasionally dangerous)track surface destroys almost all regard I have for the club. Edited October 2, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I can only go off the official line and not hearsay or opinion re the Dudley match. "Meeting abandoned due to curfew. Result stands." I can't remember a GP without riders hitting ruts and veering off course. It was AJ in the last one, indeed on the run up to that meeting Hancock hurt his knee in Poland when he hit a rut. Theres no point in debating this point as I will always say tracks have ruts while you think they are smooth. Re Stoke and Kings Lynn match. This was the night with about 6 or 7 falls over 30 races. I think that's quite good at this level but again we will have to disagree on that. I've been to all but 4 current UK tracks plus many that have since closed and a fair few abroad so I feel well placed to judge whether a meeting is "fair" or not. Kirky Lane can be good and bad just like any other track, indeed the last time we were on Sky it was discussed as one of the better tv matches this season. It is unfair to label a track such as Belle Vue as always producing dreadful meetings. Whilst I agree that Scunthorpe and Milldenhall are better circuits, that is not the criteria used to determine champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) The thing is I agree about raising the profile of Belle Vue and recognise the efforts of David Gordon and Chris Morton over the last few seasons. The sadness is that the appalling (and occasionally dangerous)track surface destroys almost all regard I have for the club. You do seem to keep going back to BV for more. Why do you keep paying and travelling to watch such poor meetings or do you get in for free enjoy their hospitality and then come on here and slag them off thats the only reason why I can think that you go. BV have a crap track Stoke have poor team spirit anybody else you want to tear limb from limb while you are at it. It wouldnt be Mildenhall who have just put the airfence up today at the end of the season who excels I imagine. I would ask John Resch about that maybe he has a different opnion Edited October 2, 2011 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 What a pathetic post!! Halifaxtiger is speedway through and through, travels the length and breath of the country watching the sport he loves. He helps riders where he can and also is ready to help at the track or on it! He certainly is no freeloader! Also the airfence is not yet up at Mildenhall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 What a pathetic post!! Halifaxtiger is speedway through and through, travels the length and breath of the country watching the sport he loves. He helps riders where he can and also is ready to help at the track or on it! He certainly is no freeloader! Also the airfence is not yet up at Mildenhall! I didnt say he was a freeloader I just cant understand why he would pay week in week out to attend a track he obviously dislikes, the only solution I could come up with was, he doesnt. He may help out but he is mixing and socialising with people who the next day are going to get a slagging off on here. Obviuosly after reading his comments on the stoke thread there seemed to be a pattern emerging as he proceded to do the same on the Stoke thread. Anyway I dont know him I can only go on what he posts that can be a problem sometimes on here people can be taken out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) You do seem to keep going back to BV for more. Why do you keep paying and travelling to watch such poor meetings or do you get in for free enjoy their hospitality and then come on here and slag them off thats the only reason why I can think that you go. BV have a crap track Stoke have poor team spirit anybody else you want to tear limb from limb while you are at it. It wouldnt be Mildenhall who have just put the airfence up today at the end of the season who excels I imagine. I would ask John Resch about that maybe he has a different opnion That's a question my wife keeps asking me, believe me. She doesn't get it either. I have seen 7 matches at Belle Vue this season (I should say that from 2004-2010 I have been 6 times - over that time I have been to Weymouth more often - despite the fact it is by far the closest track to my home).I sponsor two NL riders and have a lot of mates at Mildenhall, so Hackney, King's Lynn, Stoke (double header) and Mildenhall were all for the purpose of being with friends and seeing my lads ride more than anything. I went to the EL Poole match because it was cheap and I could see Ward & Holder, and the play offs because I planned to see them all. That leaves Dudley, and I really wish I hadn't gone to that. If Belle Vue beat Scunny, I'll be back again. I got in for nothing when King's Lynn were there because I did them a very big favour that day and Dale Allitt responded by signing me in. The remaining times I paid. I also paid at Buxton despite the fact that I need not have and at Isle of Wight I actually got in for nothing and then went out and paid to get back in (on both occasions to young Mr Evans utter disbelief). That is because those clubs have a precarious financial existence and I have no right to make it worse. On any other occasion when I have been signed in, I have given the rider concerned my entry fee. I call it as I see it (always have),I can say that my opinions are utterly objective with the best interests of the sport at heart and I don't really care whether others like my views or not. Usually I find it is those who are biased who take exception to them. I have had a pop at Stoke (sort of) and Belle Vue this week, its true. I suggest you read my comments about Sheffield, Plymouth and Mildenhall because that will serve to prove that I give credit where it is due and criticism where it is not. Crap tracks are a death sentence for British Speedway and Belle Vue is the worst in Britain (possibly by far). Bearing in mind that I have been to all the others bar 5 this season (and over the last two seasons all bar Eastbourne)I think I can speak with some authority on the subject. I am not sure what Stoke's team spirit has been like this season but anyone who was there on Saturday is probably aware that there were unpleasant scenes before the start of the meeting which almost certainly had a radical effect on that spirit and subsequently their performance. I am not sure that I was 'mixing and socialising' with Malcolm Vasey (who I have a great deal of time and respect for)on Sunday but we did have a chat, I expressed my thoughts on what had happened and ended up by buying one of his books. By the way, the Dudley match was abandoned at 10.20. The curfew is at 10.30. Edited October 3, 2011 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Thank you for taking the time to explain, I'm not fishing to find out if you pay or not that is down to the individual and how they use it. If I don't like something then I don't go but obviously I didnt take into account you may have been going to watch the opposition. Anyway I'm sure teams and riders you help are greatful for your support and the rest are greatful of your admission fee. Long may it continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'd like to vouch for Halifaxtiger too, he may have horrendous legs but he is the most genuine, friendly and honest fellow you could wish to meet. Did I mention his legs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I agree Bagpuss....except I've not noticed his legs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I agree Bagpuss....except I've not noticed his legs ! Bloody Hell, I think I will start my own fan club That miserable git Nikko can be chairman BP always did exaggerate, Andy. I had my shorts on on Saturday and there wasn't a singlre comment. Mind you, Phil K had his on as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Bloody Hell, I think I will start my own fan club That miserable git Nikko can be chairman BP always did exaggerate, Andy. I had my shorts on on Saturday and there wasn't a singlre comment. Mind you, Phil K had his on as well It was dark though as it took George half the meeting to find the stand lights ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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