Ice Racing 2012

[f-s-p]

Ach

Conkers posted those results the day after.The world and his uncle knew by then.You wanted to be argumentative on the night.I reckon your sauna had packed up and you had no beer in the house

And you wouldn't expect talk pre meeting at Sanok about Russians really.There were only two in the meeting and it would have been some sort of disaster to expect them not to qualify.If the Federation quota was know beforehand which it must have been then it was fairly easy to see that two Russians from each quali would get through and Makarov being track reserve wouldn't be in the running to qualify even if he got a max.Poor rulings imo.But i can see why they want to limit the Russian riders....or shall we say,give the non-Russians a better chance.I think from talks i am having that even some Russiand realise they need to help strengthen other countries and expand the sport to make it strong for everyone

I did indeed try and stir a bit last saturday AFTER visiting my lovely top range sauna facilities and it had nothing to do with LACK of beer. I found it "not so good" that websites were saying he's through and he's not, when it appeared that the info had no foundation. Aktuellspeedway.se for example said Svensson was through and it was credited widely in Sweden... Not so good...

 

Makarov's case, he was a reserve rider and should have gone through. Instead he was a riding outside the meeting and his points did not matter? Whats that... But two Finns through, I expect Järf to do well this time.

 

 

EDIT: It's winter here, -23,3 currently outside and should be around -25 for the rest of the week. Record low for this winter last night somewhere up north was set at -39,something.

Edited February 2, 2012 by f-s-p

[iris123]

I did indeed try and stir a bit last saturday AFTER visiting my lovely top range sauna facilities and it had nothing to do with LACK of beer. I found it "not so good" that websites were saying he's through and he's not, when it appeared that the info had no foundation. Aktuellspeedway.se for example said Svensson was through and it was credited widely in Sweden... Not so good...

 

That is one of the problems with the net.Most sites are just copying info from the one source.So any mistake spreads like wild fire.I never look a Aktuellspeedway,and rarely look at speedway-forum.de which you quoted on the night.And even Ian, who posted the results and stated Niedermaier was through obviously copied the wrong results, as he had Svensson above Niedermaier ,when he obviously wasn't or he would have qualified

[f-s-p]

You can bet on the weekends GP's through Svenska Spel... Odds as follows

 

Spelstopp 4/2 kl. 14:59 Vinnare Odds N Krasnikov 1.40 D Ivanov 3.75 D Koltakov 8.00 D Khomitsevich 10.00 S Karachintsev 14.00 E Krysov 16.00 F Zorn 20.00 H Simon 75.00 G Knapp 75.00 A Aakko 100.00 R Henderson 100.00 M Järf 150.00 J Klatovsky 150.00 R Stellingwerf 200.00 M Niedermaier 200.00

[Ghostwalker]

there are 5 clubs that are interested in hosting

the swedish championship.

Smederna in Eskilstuna are one of them.

 

A decision is expected in next week.

[Conkers]

FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

 

FINAL 1, Krasnogorsk, Russia, Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February 2012

 

DAY 1 Result:

Danil Ivanov (Russia) 21(15+3+3),

Dmitri Khomitsevich 15 (Russia) (11+2+2)

Nikolai Krasnikov (Russia) 18 (14+3+1),

Dmitri Koltakov 15 (Russia) (13+2+0)

Vitalli Khomitsevich (Russia) 12 (11+1)

Eduard Krysov 11 (Russia) (10 +1)

Sergei Karachintsev 9 (Russia) (9+0)

Harald Simon 9 (Austria) (9 +0)

Antti Aakko (Finland) 7

Robert Henderson (Sweden) 6

Grzegorz Knapp (Poland) 4

Franz Zorn (Austria) 3

Max Neidermaier (Germany) 2

Mats Järf (Finland) 2

Jan Klatovsky (Czech Rep) 2

Rene Stellingwerf (Holland) 1

 

SF 1: Ivanov, D. Khomitsevich, Krysov, Simon

SF 2: Krasnikov, Koltakov, V. Khomitsevich, Karachintsev

Final: Ivanov, D.Khomitsevich, Krasnikov, Koltakov

 

That is one of the problems with the net.Most sites are just copying info from the one source.So any mistake spreads like wild fire.I never look a Aktuellspeedway,and rarely look at speedway-forum.de which you quoted on the night.And even Ian, who posted the results and stated Niedermaier was through obviously copied the wrong results, as he had Svensson above Niedermaier ,when he obviously wasn't or he would have qualified

 

If you look at the FIM Results page, Neidermaier was beaten in the Semi Final by Svensson, but that meant they tied on 9. Prior to the semi Final, Stefan had 8, so he tied on points with Max. Therefore (I was informed) Neidermaier went through on Countback, despite being beaten in the semi.

Clear as mud isn't it!

Edited February 4, 2012 by Conkers

[f-s-p]

If you look at the FIM Results page, Neidermaier was beaten in the Semi Final by Svensson, but that meant they tied on 9. Prior to the semi Final, Stefan had 8, so he tied on points with Max. Therefore (I was informed) Neidermaier went through on Countback, despite being beaten in the semi.

Clear as mud isn't it!

 

Countback is as clear as crystal, but... As long as I remember there's been a rerun to determine qualifications and podium places. But not now. In longtrack they even do reruns after the final of the meeting is ridden if riders are tied on points. Thats crap!

 

Anyway, has anyone have any idea where the online saturday scores from the FIM site have gone?

[Conkers]

FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

 

FINAL 1, Krasnogorsk, Russia, Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February 2012

 

Day 2 Result:

Krasnikov (3,3,3,3,ef,3,3) 18

Ivanov (3,3,3,3,3,3,2) 20

Karachintsev (3,1,3,1,3, 2,2,1) 14

D Khomitsevich (3,2,2,2,3,2,0) 14

Koltakov (1,3,2,3,2,1) 12

Krysov (2,2,1,2,3,1) 11

V Khomitsevich (2,3,2,2,2,0) 11

Simon (2,1,1,3,1,0) 8

Aakko (1,2,1,2,2) 8

Zorn (0,2,2,1,0) 5

Klatovsky (2,1,0,0,1) 4

Henderson (0,0,3,0,DNS) 3

Knapp (1,1,0,1,0) 3

Järf (1,0,0,1,1) 3

RES: Andrei Gavrilkin (Russia) (2) 2

Stellingwerf (D,0,1,0,1) 2

Neidermaier (0,0,0,0, 0) 0

 

SF 1: Ivanov, Karachintsev, Krysov, V. Khomitsevich

SF 2: Krasnikov, D. Khomitsevich, Koltakov, Simon

FINAL: Krasnikov, Ivanov, Karachintsev, D. Khomitsevich

 

Overall:

Ivanov 41

Krasnikov 36

D Khomitsevich 29

Koltakov 27

V Khomitsevich 23

Krysov 22

Karachintsev 23

Simon 17

Aakko 15

Henderson 9

Zorn 8

Knapp 7

Klatovsky 6

Järf 5

Stellingwerf 3

Neidermaier 2

[Bavarian]

Countback is as clear as crystal, but... As long as I remember there's been a rerun to determine qualifications and podium places. But not now. In longtrack they even do reruns after the final of the meeting is ridden if riders are tied on points. Thats crap!

 

Anyway, has anyone have any idea where the online saturday scores from the FIM site have gone?

 

You mean "run-off" (instead of re-run), but I understand and You are right.

 

Why do the FIM use the formula of the 20 heats PLUS semi-finals and final for a qualifying round?

 

The addition of semis and final is bound to cause trouble with the final qualification positions, because the total points to not neccessarly match with the finishing positions after the semis and the final.

 

It is very well to use this system in a Grand Prix meeting, but not for the qualifying rounds?

 

Take a look at the speedway SGP qualifying rounds, they use the traditional 20 heat formula, with run-offs in case of points ties on crucial positions, BUT NO semi-finals and final.

 

This is not neccessary and will only cause problems, such as is the case with Svensson and Niedermaier in this case.

[Conkers]

RUSSIAN JUNIOR INDIVIDUAL CHAMPIONSHIP, Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February, 2012

 

SEMI FINAL 1, NOVOSIBIRSK

Artem Novik (Shadrinsk) 30 (15+15),

Igor Saydullin (Kamensk Ural) 26, (13+13),

Alexander Kochetov (Novosibirsk) 23 (13+10),

Andrei Zhdanov 21 (10+13),

Rustam Akumbaev (Shadrinsk) 21 (10+11),

Vladimir Bobin (Kamensk Ural) 20 (10+10),

Artem Akulov (Kamensk Ural) 19 (10+9),

Vasilli Nesytyh (Kamensk Ural) 18 (10+8),

Ivan Lviv (Novosibirsk) 14 (6+8),

Sergei Logachev (Blagoveshensk) 12 (5+7),

Roman Pavlenko (Blagoveshensk) 8 (3+5),

Anatoli Komarov (Novosibirsk) 7 (7+0),

Alexander Turovets (Blagoveshensk) 5 (4+1),

Nikita Kuznetsov (Novosibirsk) 7 (7+0),

Stanislav Stukov (Shadrinsk) 4 (2+2),

Pawel Tyushnyakov (Shadrinsk) 4 (2+2),

Viktor Frolov 0 (0+DNR)

 

Vyacheslav Dubinin Memorial Trophy:

SF 1: Novik, Kochetov, Lviv, Akulov

SF 2: Saydullin, Nesytyh, Bobin, Zhdanov

Final: Saydullin, Kochetov, Nesytyh,Novik(ef)

 

SEMI FINAL 2, LUKHOVITSY

Vasilli Kosov (Saransk) 29 (15+14),

Eugene Kosov 27 (14+13),

Maxim Karpukhin (Saransk) 25 (11+14),

Yevgeny Sharov (Glasov) 24 (12+12),

Alex Vitrek (Ufa) 21 (13+8),

Igor Kazennyi (Lukhovitsy) 19 (9+10),

Roman Kholodov (Lukhovitsy) 15 (8+7),

Nikita Tolokonov (Samara) 15 (6+9),

Artem Scherbakov (Saransk) 15 (4+11),

Vladislav Templov(Penza) 12 (6+6),

Igor Myshkovets (Ufa) 10 (5+5),

Eugene Otpuschennikov (Samara) 7 (3+4),

Arthur Sagadiev (Sterlitamak) 7 (3+4),

Airat Khabibullin (Sterlitamak) 5 (5+DNR),

Ville Askerov (Uchaly) 3 (2+1),

Dmitri Lidzhiev 2 (2+0)

[moomin man 76]

FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

 

FINAL 1, Krasnogorsk, Russia, Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February 2012

 

Day 2 Result:

Krasnikov (3,3,3,3,ef,3,3) 18

Ivanov (3,3,3,3,3,3,2) 20

Karachintsev (3,1,3,1,3, 2,2,1) 14

D Khomitsevich (3,2,2,2,3,2,0) 14

Koltakov (1,3,2,3,2,1) 12

Krysov (2,2,1,2,3,1) 11

V Khomitsevich (2,3,2,2,2,0) 11

Simon (2,1,1,3,1,0) 8

Aakko (1,2,1,2,2) 8

Zorn (0,2,2,1,0) 5

Klatovsky (2,1,0,0,1) 4

Henderson (0,0,3,0,DNS) 3

Knapp (1,1,0,1,0) 3

Järf (1,0,0,1,1) 3

RES: Andrei Gavrilkin (Russia) (2) 2

Stellingwerf (D,0,1,0,1) 2

Neidermaier (0,0,0,0, 0) 0

 

SF 1: Ivanov, Karachintsev, Krysov, V. Khomitsevich

SF 2: Krasnikov, D. Khomitsevich, Koltakov, Simon

FINAL: Krasnikov, Ivanov, Karachintsev, D. Khomitsevich

 

Overall:

Ivanov 41

Krasnikov 36

D Khomitsevich 29

Koltakov 27

V Khomitsevich 23

Krysov 22

Karachintsev 23

Simon 17

Aakko 15

Henderson 9

Zorn 8

Knapp 7

Klatovsky 6

Järf 5

Stellingwerf 3

Neidermaier 2

 

I was wondering if it was just my own perception, but by looking at the results over the weekend, it almost appears as if a round of the Russian Supreme League is of a higher standard than a World Championship meeting, which I find rather saddening and disappointing.

Reaslistically, at present are there any other riders aside from Antti Aakko and Harold Simon who can actually compete with the Russians?

[tapesuptv]

any body know when ice speedway is being broadcast on motors tv

Regards Tony.

 

From next Sunday .

[moxey63]

Has anybody seen an Ice Speedway DVD documentary titled "Icy Racers"? I think it featured Posa Serenius and was out about two years ago.

[Conkers]

I was wondering if it was just my own perception, but by looking at the results over the weekend, it almost appears as if a round of the Russian Supreme League is of a higher standard than a World Championship meeting, which I find rather saddening and disappointing.

Reaslistically, at present are there any other riders aside from Antti Aakko and Harold Simon who can actually compete with the Russians?

 

To answer your question, in my opinion, the west have no-one who remotely looks like a world champion.

 

Last year, the top 8 riders were the Russians, and the gap was considerable. The FIM decided to change the format from the 'ancient' 20 heats + A,B,C & D finals to the current Speedway GP Format, 20 heats, 2 semis and a Final (albeit with 'normal' points in the Final). Instead of the old Points gained by position, every heat point would count towards the Championship.

 

Unfortunately the west has had a mild winter and many meetings planned have been cancelled, whereas the Russians have been riding since the start of December. Therefore most of the Russians have had plenty of training and racing to sharpen them up. Only a handful of riders ventured East to train, Simon and Aakko amongst them. Simon is a member of the Kamensk Ural Super League team, so he has had more ice time than the rest.

 

Until Western riders bite the bullet and travel to Russia from November to January to train and ride, the gap will widen and the endless conveyor belt of Russian Ice talent will continue.

[moomin man 76]

To answer your question, in my opinion, the west have no-one who remotely looks like a world champion.

 

Last year, the top 8 riders were the Russians, and the gap was considerable. The FIM decided to change the format from the 'ancient' 20 heats + A,B,C & D finals to the current Speedway GP Format, 20 heats, 2 semis and a Final (albeit with 'normal' points in the Final). Instead of the old Points gained by position, every heat point would count towards the Championship.

 

Unfortunately the west has had a mild winter and many meetings planned have been cancelled, whereas the Russians have been riding since the start of December. Therefore most of the Russians have had plenty of training and racing to sharpen them up. Only a handful of riders ventured East to train, Simon and Aakko amongst them. Simon is a member of the Kamensk Ural Super League team, so he has had more ice time than the rest.

 

Until Western riders bite the bullet and travel to Russia from November to January to train and ride, the gap will widen and the endless conveyor belt of Russian Ice talent will continue.

 

Many thanks for the informative post. I was wondering if the gap in performance was due to talent aone, or a combination of talent, backing from sponsors and available ice team? The mild winter this year has certainly not helped. For instance, I was in Espoo/Helsinki at Christmas and the weather was little different to the UK.

However, do any of the western riders have sufficient financial backing to be able to compete with the Russians? Am I correct in thinking that not so long ago, Franz Zorn had backing from Red Bull, while further into the past Jarno Hirvasoja enjoyed backing from Finntech? Do such sponsorship opportunities still present themselves?

I guess the reason I am asking these questions is that in my opinion for ice racing to expose itself to a wider audience it needs a greater depth of talent outside of Russia. In years past, when I was younger, one of the greatest sources of enjoyment that I gained from ice racing was the possibility of the unexpected happening and a non-Russian winner emerging; such as Jarno Hirvasoja and Posa Serenius.

[Conkers]

Many thanks for the informative post. I was wondering if the gap in performance was due to talent aone, or a combination of talent, backing from sponsors and available ice team? The mild winter this year has certainly not helped. For instance, I was in Espoo/Helsinki at Christmas and the weather was little different to the UK.

However, do any of the western riders have sufficient financial backing to be able to compete with the Russians? Am I correct in thinking that not so long ago, Franz Zorn had backing from Red Bull, while further into the past Jarno Hirvasoja enjoyed backing from Finntech? Do such sponsorship opportunities still present themselves?

I guess the reason I am asking these questions is that in my opinion for ice racing to expose itself to a wider audience it needs a greater depth of talent outside of Russia. In years past, when I was younger, one of the greatest sources of enjoyment that I gained from ice racing was the possibility of the unexpected happening and a non-Russian winner emerging; such as Jarno Hirvasoja and Posa Serenius.

 

The sponsorship is still there, Franky Zorn has the backing of Silkolene in Austria, but many of the others rely on their day job and friends with deep pockets. Ice Racing is still something of a semi-professional sport even at World Championship level, although the Russians do benefit from the "help" of the MFR who in recent years have thrown money at them.

There are a few fans on the Russian Forum, whose numbers are growing, who believe that the MFR should spend money on importing the top riders (Zorn, Simon, Aakko, etc) to race alongside the likes of Krasnikov, Ivanov et al which would sharpen them up and offer a credible opposition from outside the Country.

This might not sound as far fetched as it seems. The late Andy Ross and I were talking a few years agoin Assen. He told me he lived in Ufa for three winters with the great Gab Kadirov. He rode for Ufa in the Soviet League, and competed in endless 'open' meetings against Russians. The result was that he finished fourth in the World Championships in the Early 70s. The reason he stopped was he retired from Speedway to concentrate on his business interests.

Harald Simon is now following this route, and it is paying off for him. Fortunately he is able to afford to do this, but not every rider is. Good as he is, Franky Zorn dislikes going to Russia, prefering to train in Austria. Unfortunately, he hasn't had much training due to the weather.

The sport needs a credible western rider to take on the Russians by moving there every winter. Any takers?

[ballinger]

Has anybody seen an Ice Speedway DVD documentary titled "Icy Racers"? I think it featured Posa Serenius and was out about two years ago.

 

Yep, I have a copy of it. It is excellent viewing.

[Bryn]

The sport needs a credible western rider to take on the Russians by moving there every winter. Any takers?

 

Wonder if Cribby might consider making a comeback Conkers (assuming he'd qualify as a 'western rider ???). He's only 65!

Alas although younger (er slightly! ) than him my memory is fading so a quick couple of questions and they are were you, like myself, present to witness him shedding tears on the rostrum after competing in a qualifying meeting that finally saw him clinch his place in the World Final? And if so, have you got a piccy?

Edited February 7, 2012 by Bryn

[moxey63]

Yep, I have a copy of it. It is excellent viewing.

 

Can I ask where you purchased it from - I wouldn't mind seeing it but can't find it advertised anywhere.

[iris123]

Seems Franky Zorn is on his way back home and will not compete in the next GP's in Ufa.Svensson has the wild card for Ufa,so fellow countryman Martin Leitner who is the next non-Russian reserve takes Franky's place.

You have to wonder just what sort of set up he has and what sort of sponsorship really is behind the big names on his bike.Might be very unlucky with his equipment,but it does seem a bit poor.Seem to remember last season he also went back early during the Santa Cup in Sweden.Poor couple of years for Franky and the western riders in general what with the injuries to Bauer and Klabo and last year Aakko .Would be great to see this muted project in North America along with ex World Champ Anatoly Bondarenko looking to do a training school there as well

[Conkers]

Wonder if Cribby might consider making a comeback Conkers (assuming he'd qualify as a 'western rider ???). He's only 65!

Alas although younger (er slightly! ) than him my memory is fading so a quick couple of questions and they are were you, like myself, present to witness him shedding tears on the rostrum after competing in a qualifying meeting that finally saw him clinch his place in the World Final? And if so, have you got a piccy?

 

In answer to your annual question,Bryn, the answer is still no to both. But I believe John Hipkiss may have said photo.

 

Can I ask where you purchased it from - I wouldn't mind seeing it but can't find it advertised anywhere.

 

Try http://www.icespeedwaymovie.com/order.php?lang=sv and select International postage