Wildcat Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 2012 Series 1. G. Hancock 2. J. Hampel 3. J. Crump 4. A. Jonsson 5. E. Sayfutdinov 6. T. Gollob 7. C. Holder 8. K. Bjerre 9. N. Pedersen 10. F. Lindgren 11. A. Lindback 12. B. Pedersen 13. P. Protasiewicz 14. C. Harris 15. D. Ward Personally, I don't see the BSI taking very long finalising the 2012 line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 The permanent wild card place should be on merit not on what nationality you are, Harris has had more than is fair share of chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 How many years in a row would Nicki be getting a free pass if he doesn't qualify this year? More than Bomber would be currently on for sure. Niamh At the moment, one. He could still qualify for 2012. Harris won't. Harris was seeded as a reserve for 2003 British GP as well as being seeded to the series in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. If both get seeded next year: Harris 5, Pedersen 2. For sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Go with no Brits next year. None of them are good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Don't know really. I believe Lindbäck is going to pass Lindgren, and even that Holta (allthough a horrible meeting at Vojens) is going to pass Harris. Lindgren is a lock for many, it seems, but why? He will need to pass Nicki at least to be in concideration. Lindback has already qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 looking at the polish teams the majority of them have 2 Gp riders in there teams now (Zielona Gora have 3 of next years Gp riders). surely by bringing in this rule to reduce wage bills they are increasing the value of the better riders that aren't in the Gp's I agree, I cant see how they will succeed in getting their wage bills down this way. As a form of rider control to get the top riders more evenly spread over a bigger league, yes it will, but the only guarantee way of getting wages under control is having a salary cap, otherwise it is always each team for themselves (which is fine as long as you can keep a competitive league going that way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 When you look at the dearth of riders to fill the 15th spot maybe it's time to hand out two wild cards each meeting and base it on local interest and riders who ride that track well. That way we could see a local hero who is good on the track and give opportunities to up and coming guys who are known to do well around that circuit. Obviously for the man made tracks a different criteria would be looked at. It's surely better than picking dross who will stink out the series. And Harris does not deserve a place. The lad is a good rider but he is awful in the GP. Why? God knows but he does not deserve a pick. Maybe the odd wild card, yes, but a permanent place, no way in hell. Until the Brits have to actually fight to be in that company we won't see a Mark Loram again for a long time. Other nations are producing riders who WANT to make it at that level but we just produce charity cases who think they warrant a place 'cos they are British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 I agree, I cant see how they will succeed in getting their wage bills down this way. As a form of rider control to get the top riders more evenly spread over a bigger league, yes it will, but the only guarantee way of getting wages under control is having a salary cap, otherwise it is always each team for themselves (which is fine as long as you can keep a competitive league going that way). a salary cap is surely the only way it can work. having a look at Torun they have Holder and Holta, one of those will be in the GP's next year the other won't, they also have Ward who if he goes into the Gp's they can't have in the team. i do think there could be one or 2 shocks next year with certain decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 Lindback has already qualified. I know he has, but I still think he will pass him on points this year. Lindbäck has not cooled down after winning the Challenge, and is showing great form in the GPs and in Indianerna. He is only 7 behind. As for Holta, it seems he is finaly beaten by his injury, and I reckon he'll call it quits for the remaining two rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 16, 2011 Report Share Posted September 16, 2011 When you look at the dearth of riders to fill the 15th spot maybe it's time to hand out two wild cards each meeting and base it on local interest and riders who ride that track well. That way we could see a local hero who is good on the track and give opportunities to up and coming guys who are known to do well around that circuit. Obviously for the man made tracks a different criteria would be looked at. It's surely better than picking dross who will stink out the series. And Harris does not deserve a place. The lad is a good rider but he is awful in the GP. Why? God knows but he does not deserve a pick. Maybe the odd wild card, yes, but a permanent place, no way in hell. Until the Brits have to actually fight to be in that company we won't see a Mark Loram again for a long time. Other nations are producing riders who WANT to make it at that level but we just produce charity cases who think they warrant a place 'cos they are British. It makes me VERY sad - but - I have to agree with that Statement at present. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I think it'll be the top eleven at the end of the comp, three qualifiers and Darcy. That would be fine ..... but one of the top 11 (Lindback) IS one of the three qualifiers ..... which is my point in the first place ....who would fill that ONE spot. FREDRIK LINDGREN; OK I may be a bit biased being a Wolves and Freddie fan, but the big difference between him and Bomber is about the gap in points ... Fred is just 12 points behind the Top 8 while Bomber is 25 behind Freddie and 37 behind the top 8 .... Two good performances from Freddie will see him in the top 8 .... If Bomber wins the last two he is still not going to make it above the cut off line. If there has to be a Brit .... its Bomber or Scott only ...... Tai doesnt want it. ..... Rico been there done that ...... Ed coming back from a ban .... Barker, Bridger, King etc not up to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 That would be fine ..... but one of the top 11 (Lindback) IS one of the three qualifiers ..... which is my point in the first place ....who would fill that ONE spot. FREDRIK LINDGREN; OK I may be a bit biased being a Wolves and Freddie fan, but the big difference between him and Bomber is about the gap in points ... Fred is just 12 points behind the Top 8 while Bomber is 25 behind Freddie and 37 behind the top 8 .... Two good performances from Freddie will see him in the top 8 .... If Bomber wins the last two he is still not going to make it above the cut off line. If there has to be a Brit .... its Bomber or Scott only ...... Tai doesnt want it. ..... Rico been there done that ...... Ed coming back from a ban .... Barker, Bridger, King etc not up to it You can also add Tai to the not up to it list... infact can add any of the Brits you mentioned to that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Neither Freddie nor Bomber deserve a wild card imo. I don't want to see any Brits in 2012 and I'd rather see THJ in the Grand Prix over Freddie and I'm a Lindgren fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Poland will probably determine which riders race in the GPs in 2012 ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 Poland will probably determine which riders race in the GPs in 2012 ............... As per usual you talk BULL still you have always had an opinion on something that you never intend on going to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineman Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 Ward' s had a good season, but didn't he go through the qualifying rounds and fail to make the cut? Why should he be the exception? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Ward' s had a good season, but didn't he go through the qualifying rounds and fail to make the cut? Why should he be the exception? As he showed in the Polish GP that he can be competitive at this level, and finished third. Wouldn't worry about the qualifying rounds, Laguta managed to get in through them and has done sod all in the GP's. If Ward has a good night in the last round, he should be given a wildcard for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineman Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 As he showed in the Polish GP that he can be competitive at this level, and finished third. Wouldn't worry about the qualifying rounds, Laguta managed to get in through them and has done sod all in the GP's. If Ward has a good night in the last round, he should be given a wildcard for next year. SO what are the qualifying rounds for? The riders earn very little from them, and if they're not the route to GP, of no value at all. Incidentally, Chris Harris got into the GP's in the first place after failing to actually qualify. I'd go along with the "no British rider unless they qualify" argument if it actually applies to everyone, but not if it is selectively applied. Part of the attraction of having a GP is having local competitors in it. And I wonder what the attraction of the GP series would be should it lead to being without a British GP - Cardiff = 40,000 spectators, Gorican = 4000? . What would the TV audience be like without a British rider (and half of the EL teams without a GP rider - let's not forget the 8 point rule ) and no British GP? Or would everyone then be arguing for a different system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Neither Freddie nor Bomber deserve a wild card imo. I don't want to see any Brits in 2012 and I'd rather see THJ in the Grand Prix over Freddie and I'm a Lindgren fan! It is a coincidence that the successful Grand Prix riders are old riders with big back up teams, or young riders with full sponsorship deals enabling them to just ride the bike with no worry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 do we need a brit there ?yes. but who do we think is up to it, Harris can deliver yes, but will he get a wild card it's down to friends in high places, but for the demographics a brit is needed. Tai has been there yes and says he isnt ready yet, fair and his words. Let him go through qualifyers next year and see how he goes, eventually he will want it and will show us all how good he is. Scotty, can do it but I thing there is a bad taste in his mouth and will not want to series for the year as a family man. Ricco, been there and got the shirt. Bridger not ready and perhaps not emotionally ready, could be quick but just not ready, 3 more years and he will have grown up and will be very good and or finished. Kennett, shame about the cheating it will live with him for years, Eddie has got to start again from ground floor, a true talent but been ill advised and now has to carry a cross on his back. what ever his results next year eddie will be known that he cheated, and took money from others. Barker, Ben has shown that he has grown up, still a little inconsistant but certainly can be very fast, worthy of a wild card the same as Darcy. If he was given the opportunity you know that it will be nothing other than 110% all the time, no one he is afraid of, most importantly he wears his Union Jack with pride, ( quote tatum I would pay any money to see Barker in a GP, guaranteed to ride with his heart on his sleeve and never gives up). This is what we the British Need, fans need and Speedway needs. Comments please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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