semion Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Its interesting when you see how Britannia rules the waves at such sports as Rowing and Cycling. What have they got so right in this country that Speedway could learn from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Its interesting when you see how Britannia rules the waves at such sports as Rowing and Cycling. What have they got so right in this country that Speedway could learn from ? proper funding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 proper funding Spot on.Chris Hoy and many others have said about the amount of funding it has recieved especially from the lottery.It isn't a small amount either.They have been able to get the best coaches,equipment and training facilities. So the only thing we are waiting for is a nice big lottery grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 proper funding Funding goes a huge way towards it,dont get me wrong,but i do think that its alot to do with the individual involved,born winners,and intelligent at the same time Clive Woodward once said after winning the World cup,his players had many ingredients to become world champs,but most of all they had the intelligence to win it Football is awash with cash and training things but they are a bunch of brainless half wits and cant win an egg cup When you compare Sir Chris Hoy with say Wayne Rooney or Brad Wiggins with John Terry,it shows the type of "person" needed to win stuff May sound a bit elitist but facts dont lie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolly Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Funding goes a huge way towards it,dont get me wrong,but i do think that its alot to do with the individual involved,born winners,and intelligent at the same time Clive Woodward once said after winning the World cup,his players had many ingredients to become world champs,but most of all they had the intelligence to win it Football is awash with cash and training things but they are a bunch of brainless half wits and cant win an egg cup When you compare Sir Chris Hoy with say Wayne Rooney or Brad Wiggins with John Terry,it shows the type of "person" needed to win stuff May sound a bit elitist but facts dont lie Quite agree Montie, funding in the wrong hands is just like pouring money down the drain. The funding and backing has to go into a structured system of training and support. Better coaching and more time from all clubs to bring on young british riders, with maybe some club owned and maintained equipment for first year riders ? Maybe something along the lines of a small allocation of of the sky money could be in a pot and shared pro-rata to any clubs that can prove they provide junior training schools, 2nd half academy level races and can show marked improvement of regular users of their facilities. Beginner - academy rider - NL - PL - EL. I am sure some sort of incentive formula could be worked out by the BSPA or whoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Its interesting when you see how Britannia rules the waves at such sports as Rowing and Cycling. What have they got so right in this country that Speedway could learn from ? Well subsidised with Lottery Grants. Afraid Speedway is not a PC sport and has obstacles instead of incentives in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Funding although useful it is not the only answer. As explained previously Football is the best example When did we last win the World Cup or European Championship? Take athletics they receive far more funding than Cycling or Rowing yet look at results. The answer is much more basic its called dedication. I seem to remember Eric Boocock (now there is a straight talking man)I recall he once said "there were 4 - 5 youngsters comimg through, all went our drinking, clubbing and doing what teenagers do, only one stayed in and re-invested his meagre earnings back into his bike. At the time of the interview this rider was the only one not retired his name was Andrew Tully (take a bow sir). Also look at the young Aussies. ofter barely 16, homesick and probably not got a potto %?&^ in. They come here sometimes stay in caravans or very basic accomodation, they eat, sleep live speedway, you see them in the pits at elite League matches watching Crump, Adams, Sullivan, Johnson and now Holder, Ward etc. Its not rocket science its called dedication. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Sorry to hear Jordan has decided to retire. I have to admit i was amazed that he signed for Rye in the first place,having seen a lot of him in his break through year in 2008, it was a strange move to go to a place that seem to nullify all he was good at. Gating was never one of his strong points, but coming back from behind was, a tactic that is extremely difficult at Rye if you miss the start. Maybe the idea was to improve his gating, but who knows.I hope he thinks about his decision, he is still young and has talent and maybe a change of scenery will help him. It`s a bit of a kick in the n**ts for the Rye fans, just walking out like that, I know how you feel having experienced that with Boxall. I hope the new Dane turns out to be ok, never heard of though, mind you not many had heard of Sundstrom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Its interesting when you see how Britannia rules the waves at such sports as Rowing and Cycling. What have they got so right in this country that Speedway could learn from ? If you are refering to team GB in speedway the solution would be to limit the amount of foreign riders per team to enable progress of the British riders through the sport. At the moment most teams in the higher levels (PL/EL) have several foreign riders in thier teams denying a place for a British youngster. Although that said we still need to encourage kids into the sport and provide them with the best facilities to train and the best machinery etc. I guess until speedway becomes an Olympic sport this aint gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddan Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Its interesting when you see how Britannia rules the waves at such sports as Rowing and Cycling. What have they got so right in this country that Speedway could learn from ? I heard that in cycling there was a man who had a vision for british cycling a few years back and really started to make and then implement his plans for the greater future of british cycling. He no doubt was the one who sought and chased the funding necessary to make this all work. The point is, British speedway needs a consortium of intelligent people to take the sport in this country by the scruff of the neck and drag it back in line with the swedes,poles,danes etc. An independent governing body to have COMPLETE control over the running of british speedway. That means all leagues, all national teams and individual events......the whole shooting match. This would stop the bspa from continually trying to ruin our sport by putting the needs of their own clubs first all the time! The governing body should be nominated and elected by ALL clubs in Britain and could comprise of ex-riders, referees etc anyone with massive experience of the sport with a long term committment to improving the product........Now......convincing the useless twats at the bspa to relinquish control will be about as easy as standing in a bucket and then trying to lift that bucket up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 I heard that in cycling there was a man who had a vision for british cycling a few years back and really started to make and then implement his plans for the greater future of british cycling. He no doubt was the one who sought and chased the funding necessary to make this all work. The point is, British speedway needs a consortium of intelligent people to take the sport in this country by the scruff of the neck and drag it back in line with the swedes,poles,danes etc. An independent governing body to have COMPLETE control over the running of british speedway. That means all leagues, all national teams and individual events......the whole shooting match. This would stop the bspa from continually trying to ruin our sport by putting the needs of their own clubs first all the time! The governing body should be nominated and elected by ALL clubs in Britain and could comprise of ex-riders, referees etc anyone with massive experience of the sport with a long term committment to improving the product........Now......convincing the useless twats at the bspa to relinquish control will be about as easy as standing in a bucket and then trying to lift that bucket up!!!! I heard that in cycling there was a man who had a vision for british cycling a few years back and really started to make and then implement his plans for the greater future of british cycling. He no doubt was the one who sought and chased the funding necessary to make this all work. The point is, British speedway needs a consortium of intelligent people to take the sport in this country by the scruff of the neck and drag it back in line with the swedes,poles,danes etc. An independent governing body to have COMPLETE control over the running of british speedway. That means all leagues, all national teams and individual events......the whole shooting match. This would stop the bspa from continually trying to ruin our sport by putting the needs of their own clubs first all the time! The governing body should be nominated and elected by ALL clubs in Britain and could comprise of ex-riders, referees etc anyone with massive experience of the sport with a long term committment to improving the product........Now......convincing the useless twats at the bspa to relinquish control will be about as easy as standing in a bucket and then trying to lift that bucket up!!!! I agree, but like you say things will neve change while the Promoters govern their own sport. Self interest will always rule. Present rulebook has to be binned and a new simplified version created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourlapper Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) What is needed Shadders is a complete independent review. This is what major sports do nowadays from time to time. Rugby League are currently having one looking at the governance of the sport. Of course it costs money and you have to implement the majority of the plans that are put forward otherwise there is no point. Speedway isn't like other sports though is it because the people running it want to make money out of it as it is, in a lot of cases, their livelihood. Edited August 9, 2012 by Fourlapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Rye House team change http://www.ryehouse....am-Changes.aspx Best of luck to Ritchie and welcome Simon Lambert Edited August 14, 2012 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Heard the news about Richie Hawkins, good luck wherever you ride and thanks for your efforts. A wise decision to find new pastures as I believe you did give it your best shot and in the end that is all true fans can ask of any rider but things were heading South not North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolly Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 We were just talking about it last night. How long would Len last, normally he waits till end of season. Especially as it doesn't look like we are going to get near a play off spot. Its a big pity as I was happy when we signed him and he always appears to be giving 100% and every now and then suprises us all. But just hasn't produced the goods on a regular basis. To late now to save the season now, is this in anticipation of the first half of next season ? Until Luke is fit again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 We were just talking about it last night. How long would Len last, normally he waits till end of season. Especially as it doesn't look like we are going to get near a play off spot. Its a big pity as I was happy when we signed him and he always appears to be giving 100% and every now and then suprises us all. But just hasn't produced the goods on a regular basis. To late now to save the season now, is this in anticipation of the first half of next season ? Until Luke is fit again ? Having a fit Luke Bowen on the sidelines would put some pressure on any of the lower end to keep the pace up or be replaced, which isn't a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Is Simon related to Robert Lambert... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Is Simon related to Robert Lambert... Simon doesn't have a brother, although they hail from roughly the same area. Edited August 15, 2012 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Feel for Richie as it hasn't worked but not due to a lack of effort. Sad to see him go. Still leaves us with six not seven riders and i would have preferred to have seen someone added to replace Luke rather than this change. R/R rarely works for us especially over such a long period. Lets hope Simon fits in well and has some decent luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolly Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 According to the figures on Spedway Stats ( http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Rider/236.aspx ) This year Richie has a much higher average than Simon in the Premier League ?? (but details only updated until June 2012) I hope Len knows what he is doing ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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