philfromcov Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 if the NZ authorities have chosen jason then thats up to them.. just because they don't want an Aussie who lives a thousand miles away its apparently wrong. the world does not revolve around the mulleted one! doesn't say much for NZ speedway and how far its fallen but then i guess people probably think that about the Cardiff wildcard too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Will he wear a Nz race jacket or a British one??? Technically he can't wear a Nz one! This all seems a bit dim and Ill thought out....speedway again, and the reason so many are walking away How can he technically not wear a NZ one... If he has New Zealand Citizenship (which is likely, but I don't know the definite answer to if he has) then he is free to represent New Zealand in whatever sport he chooses. Just like next year if I apply for citizenship and the All Whites called me up to play I would be eligible! And according to the article he will represent New Zealand Did Laguta wear a Latvian jacket when he was the Latvian wild card even though he is Russian? Not to mention Rune Holta And before you say it he has a Polish Licence, Bunyan has a NZ one. In the individual World Championship, the SGP,a rider represents the country who issue his racing license. In the World Team Cup a rider represents the country who issue his passport, in the case of duel nationality he may choose. Holta could have raced under a Polish License and wore their colours in the GP but without a Polish passport, which he has, he couldn't have represented them in the Team Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Rory Schlein. I can fully understand why the Kiwis don't wish to be represented by an Aussie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 There's a surprise you wanting Rory me thinks your being a bit biased? Won the ELRC, did he not? Top Scorer in EL 2011 was he not? Comes from Bloody Darwin, does he not? How good is that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 This is a classic case of the IMG selling the series out,with the NZ authorities appearing to go about buying a GP and stipulating who they want in it. With the announcement of the NZ GP,without an Aussie GP I'm sure I wasn't the only one who thought it didn't seem to much sense,but I suppose the answer is as above NZ has a great history in Speedway in years gone by and it Bunyan needs to be on the pace to a degree or it's not exactly going to reflect too well on NZ Speedway,with the possible 7 time National Champion being British too is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 In the individual World Championship, the SGP,a rider represents the country who issue his racing license. In the World Team Cup a rider represents the country who issue his passport, in the case of duel nationality he may choose. Holta could have raced under a Polish License and wore their colours in the GP but without a Polish passport, which he has, he couldn't have represented them in the Team Cup Exactly.Don't know how many times it has been posted on here,but if i had a tenner for every time i think i could afford the trip to NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I can fully understand why the Kiwis don't wish to be represented by an Aussie... Seems strange that they don't have their own GP, oh i forgot, they did all their cash running one a few years back, run another one and you can have whoever you want to ride in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cee the bee Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Time to demand a Welsh rider I think. Congrats James White-Williams on your wildcard! So i take it James is the Welsh National champion then. . In fact is there such a thing, has there ever been such a thing or will there ever be such a thing. Not wishing to be disparaging of anything welsh it forfeits the right Edited January 23, 2012 by cee the bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 This is a classic case of the IMG selling the series out,with the NZ authorities appearing to go about buying a GP and stipulating who they want in it. With the announcement of the NZ GP,without an Aussie GP I'm sure I wasn't the only one who thought it didn't seem to much sense,but I suppose the answer is as above NZ has a great history in Speedway in years gone by and it Bunyan needs to be on the pace to a degree or it's not exactly going to reflect too well on NZ Speedway,with the possible 7 time National Champion being British too is it? I agree it is a strange decision and would have expected one of the Aussies like Schlien or Batch, but I don't agree with the selling out of speedway. Motogp (occassionally) and World Superbikes (often) have local wild cards compete and they are not up to the standards of the main competitors generally, so all sports are the same. Alot of the riders in Motogp and the drivers in F1 are there because of the money they bring to the teams and not on merit. Generally the field in speedway is very much the top riders. The faces are mostly the same because they are the best riders not because they are given an advantage. The people at the top in the GPs are usually those at the top of the averages in the league racing also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Won the ELRC, did he not? Top Scorer in EL 2011 was he not? Comes from Bloody Darwin, does he not? How good is that? And you were doing so well with the first 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree it is a strange decision and would have expected one of the Aussies like Schlien or Batch, but I don't agree with the selling out of speedway. Motogp (occassionally) and World Superbikes (often) have local wild cards compete and they are not up to the standards of the main competitors generally, so all sports are the same. Alot of the riders in Motogp and the drivers in F1 are there because of the money they bring to the teams and not on merit. Generally the field in speedway is very much the top riders. The faces are mostly the same because they are the best riders not because they are given an advantage. The people at the top in the GPs are usually those at the top of the averages in the league racing also. I take your points,the series have do have their diferrences though,Wildcards in World Superbike for example,the host federation nominate them to the FIM who make the selection,they have to be to a certain standard in qualifying too or they don't make it Speedway has the IMG as a kind of promotor,selecting their permanent wildcards and meeting wildcard for personal interest,I just think it can be potentially dangerous territory,I hope you see where I'm coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree it is a strange decision and would have expected one of the Aussies like Schlien or Batch, but I don't agree with the selling out of speedway. Motogp (occassionally) and World Superbikes (often) have local wild cards compete and they are not up to the standards of the main competitors generally, so all sports are the same. Alot of the riders in Motogp and the drivers in F1 are there because of the money they bring to the teams and not on merit. Generally the field in speedway is very much the top riders. The faces are mostly the same because they are the best riders not because they are given an advantage. The people at the top in the GPs are usually those at the top of the averages in the league racing also. I take your points,the series have do have their diferrences though,Wildcards in World Superbike for example,the host federation nominate them to the FIM who make the selection,they have to be to a certain standard in qualifying too or they don't make it Speedway has the IMG as a kind of promotor,selecting their permanent wildcards and meeting wildcard for personal interest,I just think it can be potentially dangerous territory,I hope you see where I'm coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 And with the Welsh Asembly pumping in God only knows how much every year, surely they have as much right to a say as the New Zealand government. As a Welsh tax payer I demand that a Welshman rides in the GP at Cardiff. You know what, I think it should be called the Welsh GP too. WIND YOUR BLOOMIN NECK IN!!!!! (Yes I'm shouting!!) You know I love you SCB but please please please step away from the keyboard. You have made your point which to be honest is rubbish but your passion does your proud and normally I would be there shouting it with you but you are wrong! I'm a Warwickshire Tax Payer and that is no different to you being a Welsh tax payer until of course Wales is no longer part of Great Britain and has full independency. Obviously if your fight for world domination continues then Newport will need to have its own league as it will be a Welsh League and they will then ride against themselves every week. You cant have it all SCB - now behave xxx There's a surprise you wanting Rory me thinks your being a bit biased? How can you tell!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehammer Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 In the individual World Championship, the SGP,a rider represents the country who issue his racing license. In the World Team Cup a rider represents the country who issue his passport, in the case of duel nationality he may choose. Holta could have raced under a Polish License and wore their colours in the GP but without a Polish passport, which he has, he couldn't have represented them in the Team Cup Exactly.Don't know how many times it has been posted on here,but if i had a tenner for every time i think i could afford the trip to NZ And has already been pointed out Jason has a New Zealand Racing Licence at the very least.... enough said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Seems strange that they don't have their own GP, oh i forgot, they did all their cash running one a few years back, run another one and you can have whoever you want to ride in it. Tell me, how many GPs have you run, your lordship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Interesting to see who is the Wildcard for Cardiff then, how about Davey Watt? He's good enough to go in our GP according to others on here, why not put him in yours. Or can you name someone better? Living and paying taxes in Aussie i would be happy to see davey watt as the wild card in cardiff if he is the next in line , i dont think bjarne pedersen is going to do much for the GP but he is there on merit , he has earned that right , if we are going to go down the route of putting riders in to pull the crowd then put jason garrity in at cardiff , the other 15 riders would be a lot more scared of him than he would be of them Edited January 23, 2012 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Alot of the riders in Motogp and the drivers in F1 are there because of the money they bring to the teams and not on merit. I'm not familiar enough with MotoGP, but you can't drive in F1 without a Super Licence and that requires you to be a successful driver at a high level of competition. Regardless though, speedway never has been the same as F1, and regardless of whether the top 16 actually are or aren't in the SGP, the 'selling' of places lacks credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Regardless though, speedway never has been the same as F1, and regardless of whether the top 16 actually are or aren't in the SGP, the 'selling' of places lacks credibility. I really can't see the problem.The wild card is there for a number of reasons and speedway exists in a financial world as do all sports.Look at the reason a number of football world cups have been or will be held in countries witout a great footballing tradition.Look at where F1 has ended up over the past decade.And look at riders that have been given a wild card over the past few years.Mikkel B for instance last season.So many on here saying "who?" or putting him down.He certainly wasn't in the top 5 Danish riders not permanently in the GPs.Look at some of the Czech riders lately.The wild card isn't going to be up there challenging for the championship at the end of the season.If this is who the promoter thinks will be the best bet to help him then we should accept it.It is him after all that is taking the risks and hopefully he knows what he is doing and trying to achieve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 The wild card is there for a number of reasons and speedway exists in a financial world as do all sports. I don't fundamentally have a problem with one wildcard per GP to guarantee a home rider if they're of sufficient quality. What is unpalatable to me is the selling of nominated places; either through outright cash transactions, or through the hosting of GPs and the associated licence fees. Yes, I understand the commercial reasons, but the SGP ceases to have any interest or meaning for me when it becomes just another financial commodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper-racing.co.uk Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Laguta wore a Russian race jacket in his wild card at the Latvian gp. I believe he was denied citizenship to Latvia, and there is a lot of red tape in that area as many Russians are applying due to Latvia being in the EU. He was Latvian national champion as they opened up their national competition to gain a more competitive field and to he develop the Latvian riders to a higher pace. Same as what has happened with the new Zealand championship in effect. Rune Holta is a completely different issue... He rides as a polish national as he has citizenship and passport. Just because you have a countries race licence doesn't entitle you to represent that country...many riders who come over to the uk will take out a Acu licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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