Ipswich Jules Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I dont think they are (not counting me) they think an all round strength team will bring success but us realists certainly know it will not. Its plainly obvious that a genuine top 2 are whats required but are they too dim to realise that - yes!!! As you failed YET AGAIN to answer my previous question about your supposed "top end strength" team which you'd like to comprise Frampton, Poole, Tungate, North and Heeps, even with a 3pt reserve it leaves less than 8 pts for your "genuine number 1" - how is that "top end strength"? The answer? IT ISN'T! Face facts clown, you moan about "no genuine No.1 and 2" but the team you've stated you would ike to see built around next season leaves no room for those "genuine No.1 and 2" that you've bleated on and on about for the past god knows how long! So this comes down to one of two couple things: 1) You're admitting that you're wrong and the Louis are right with regards to team building (as you share the same team structure for next season) 2) That you're nothing but a troll Which one is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 i would build the team around Poole Tungate and Heeps. Dak although ok has got one of those averages that doesnt really fit for me and im not sure i would include him. I still thin Tress on a low average might be ok but then lets go and get a genuine number 1 who can guarantee us 12-15 points in 95% of the meetings. At the moment we are hoping Tungate or Poole will but we dont know and even when we have a reserve score 19 we dont have a top liner capable of backing it up. Im sorry but the team was very poorly put together and very slow to react when team changes are needed just look at Scunny and Somerset to see what they did getting Morris and Monberg. Aljacks views are extreme and he does try to wind others up the way he puts things but face facts he is right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) i would build the team around Poole Tungate and Heeps. Dak although ok has got one of those averages that doesnt really fit for me and im not sure i would include him. I still thin Tress on a low average might be ok but then lets go and get a genuine number 1 who can guarantee us 12-15 points in 95% of the meetings. At the moment we are hoping Tungate or Poole will but we dont know and even when we have a reserve score 19 we dont have a top liner capable of backing it up. Im sorry but the team was very poorly put together and very slow to react when team changes are needed just look at Scunny and Somerset to see what they did getting Morris and Monberg. Aljacks views are extreme and he does try to wind others up the way he puts things but face facts he is right! He's not right at all as he can't answer questions to him to justify his outbursts - we're all entitled to opinions but unless you can have some kind of substance to your side of the arguement then you really don't have a valid point. Morris was never an option as he rides for Swindon who are also a Thursday night club (the reason we weren't able to sign Lasse Bjerre at the start of the season as he wanted to ride for P'boro). Monberg wasn't available at the time we signed Lanham, and given the previous shambles of Monberg at Ipswich I doubt the promotion would of wanted him back anyway. He's only ridden a few meetings for Somerset so it remains to be seen how much of a good signing he is. Edited August 6, 2012 by Ipswich Jules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Basic maths shows that top two riders get an extra ride (ht 15) so teams need riders to take advantage of that, plus opportunity to utilise t/r rides.. Yes - reserves can have extra rides, but averages should eventually dictate that weakest riders are in reserve berth Put perfectly northyorksbear as Ive stated many times a team to have success need 2 front line heatleaders and louis seems incapable of grasping that elementary fact!!! i would build the team around Poole Tungate and Heeps. Dak although ok has got one of those averages that doesnt really fit for me and im not sure i would include him. I still thin Tress on a low average might be ok but then lets go and get a genuine number 1 who can guarantee us 12-15 points in 95% of the meetings. At the moment we are hoping Tungate or Poole will but we dont know and even when we have a reserve score 19 we dont have a top liner capable of backing it up. Im sorry but the team was very poorly put together and very slow to react when team changes are needed just look at Scunny and Somerset to see what they did getting Morris and Monberg. Aljacks views are extreme and he does try to wind others up the way he puts things but face facts he is right! Thank you Gavan my sentiments exactly but some other posters on the Witches site will just argue for argues sake thats impossible or some other ridiculous reason just to get their own idealism across, pathetic !!! It blatently obvious Lanham should be nowhere near the team and Risager was not signed as a reserve so shouldnt be anywhere near the reserve berth. I would expect Lanham to score well at number 6 it doesnt hide the fact that Risager is a huge let down this season. Totally agree spot on again Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoz88 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I dont think they are (not counting me) they think an all round strength team will bring success but us realists certainly know it will not. Its plainly obvious that a genuine top 2 are whats required but are they too dim to realise that - yes!!! I'm not going to ask you to name riders, because that isn't your job, but what sort of combined average are you thinking for these top 2 riders, considering the points limit in place for the league? a high scoring pair like plymouth with a 19+ combined top 2, or a slightly more sensible option? i would build the team around Poole Tungate and Heeps. Dak although ok has got one of those averages that doesnt really fit for me and im not sure i would include him. I still thin Tress on a low average might be ok but then lets go and get a genuine number 1 who can (1)guarantee us 12-15 points in 95% of the meetings. At the moment we are hoping Tungate or Poole will but we dont know and even when we have a reserve score 19 we dont have a top liner capable of backing it up. Im sorry but the (2)team was very poorly put together and very slow to react when team changes are needed just look at Scunny and Somerset to see what they did getting Morris and Monberg. (3)Aljacks views are extreme and he does try to wind others up the way he puts things but face facts he is right! bold point 1- we'd all love a rider like this, but unfortunately, they don't exist bold point 2- if this was the case why were we predicted by the 'experts' to do well bold point 3- no one has actually said he isn't right, but his statements have little validity because they are monotanous and he is also unwilling to back them up when asked a direct about something he has said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Put perfectly northyorksbear as Ive stated many times a team to have success need 2 front line heatleaders and louis seems incapable of grasping that elementary fact!!! Thank you Gavan my sentiments exactly but some other posters on the Witches site will just argue for argues sake thats impossible or some other ridiculous reason just to get their own idealism across, pathetic !!! Totally agree spot on again Gavan Talking to yourself? I've given you plenty of reasons to your many complaints about the Witches team yet you still can't answer one of the questions I've asked you, instead you only respond to the posts that you want to see - the ones that suit your "rose tinted" view. Question: If you dislike the Louis so much, if Pete is such a bad manager, if the Witches are riding in the "inferior Premier League", if the track doesn't provide good racing since the changes, if you don't like the majority of the riders riding for the team - why do you go* and pay their wages? My opinon? Because you're a lonely troll who probably goes to speedway, says nothing whilst there, you quietly fill out your pgorgamme as the heats go - maybe with the occasional tut or cheer depending on how things go - and probably go alone. You're afraid to speak to the Louis or Pete or the riders in person - instead you go home and "speak" from the relative safety of your PC but when asked questions you go back to being "Mr Lonely" again who wouldn't say boo to a goose! I actually feel quite sorry for you Aljack = * = apparently 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Ive been asked what team I would pick, well its not my job to pick the actual riders that job is down to the supposedly in the know louis! But a team with these averages would win the league = No1 9.0 No2 5.0 No3 7.5 No4 6.0 No5 8.5 No6 3.0 No7 3.5 Total 42.50 I state my case and will stick to it whatever that team would win silverware without doubt!!! By realist Aljack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Its getting all hot and sweaty in here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Ive been asked what team I would pick, well its not my job to pick the actual riders that job is down to the supposedly in the know louis! But a team with these averages would win the league = No1 9.0 No2 5.0 No3 7.5 No4 6.0 No5 8.5 No6 3.0 No7 3.5 Total 42.50 I state my case and will stick to it whatever that team would win silverware without doubt!!! By realist Aljack So by using your formula you were looking for a #1 rider with an average of between 9.00 and 8.50. At the end of the last season there were five riders that would have met that criteria. Of those Parker and Lyons had decided to retire, and Wolbert was going full time NsEL. So your choice then rests between Robson and Neath. There has never been an indication that either have any desire to move away from their current promotions. Indeed both have been very unfortunate with injuries. What this demonstrates, is that there is not an ubundant supply of these types of rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 So by using your formula you were looking for a #1 rider with an average of between 9.00 and 8.50. At the end of the last season there were five riders that would have met that criteria. Of those Parker and Lyons had decided to retire, and Wolbert was going full time NsEL. So your choice then rests between Robson and Neath. There has never been an indication that either have any desire to move away from their current promotions. Indeed both have been very unfortunate with injuries. What this demonstrates, is that there is not an ubundant supply of these types of rider. Well that may be so but there are riders out there that might be willing to double up from the elite league like Barker did but obviously have to be tempted by good money. Or a Dane, Swede or the like but not Poles had a gut full of them, as I said louis should be in the know and know whos available BUT will he pay the money very much doubt it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Well that may be so but there are riders out there that might be willing to double up from the elite league like Barker did but obviously have to be tempted by good money. Or a Dane, Swede or the like but not Poles had a gut full of them, as I said louis should be in the know and know whos available BUT will he pay the money very much doubt it! Ive been asked what team I would pick, well its not my job to pick the actual riders that job is down to the supposedly in the know louis! But a team with these averages would win the league = No1 9.0 No2 5.0 No3 7.5 No4 6.0 No5 8.5 No6 3.0 No7 3.5 Total 42.50 I state my case and will stick to it whatever that team would win silverware without doubt!!! By realist Aljack That team would win anything,would be a 75-0 everywhere you turned up,and team of 42.5 wouldnt win anything,it what they do at end of season that counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 That team would win anything,would be a 75-0 everywhere you turned up,and team of 42.5 wouldnt win anything,it what they do at end of season that counts The thing is you have to be in the play-offs to win the league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 The thing is you have to be in the play-offs to win the league! Yes but 42.5 and half points at start of season mean nothing at the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Yes but 42.5 and half points at start of season mean nothing at the end Yes I get your point but if the make-up of the team is the one I suggest Im sure it would be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I applaud Aljack for a least setting out a constructive theory as this rarely is the case. As Mr S has pointed out the practacalities are somewhat different and this shows that Aljack also owns a pair of those rose tinted specs that he so often accuses others of wearing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 The thing is both last year and this the Witches were highly fancied by many to do very well.....its very easy in hindsight to criticise but as the majority of people predicted good seasons then there must be something wrong somewhere at the club for so many riders to underachieve two seasons running ie the track, motivation, finance etc. Of course injuries have had a pretty large bearing on both last season and this at the Foxhole but there have also been poor performances a plenty unrelated to those lay offs. As I've said before I think the Witches need to build next year's side round the four highly promising Aussies they currently have and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipswich Jules Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Well that may be so but there are riders out there that might be willing to double up from the elite league like Barker did but obviously have to be tempted by good money. Or a Dane, Swede or the like but not Poles had a gut full of them, as I said louis should be in the know and know whos available BUT will he pay the money very much doubt it! And what do you think Rohan was bought with? Scotch mist?! Ipswich will use the money when needed - as the signings of Tungate, Heeps, Risager and Doolan as assets has proven - you may not agree with the signing of Risager and Doolan but it doesn't change the fact that the promotion aren't afraid to spend money. So you can stop bleating on about them not stumping up the cash as that accusation has no foundation whatsoever!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Most people go to Speedway to be entertained not to work out who has an average of .01 better than somebody else. You must be some sad creature. Brilliant post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Ah bless.....he's in denial!!!! You didn't answer my sensible question, just used your bullying tactics again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Ive been asked what team I would pick, well its not my job to pick the actual riders that job is down to the supposedly in the know louis! But a team with these averages would win the league = No1 9.0 No2 5.0 No3 7.5 No4 6.0 No5 8.5 No6 3.0 No7 3.5 Total 42.50 I state my case and will stick to it whatever that team would win silverware without doubt!!! By realist Aljack You can't guarantee anything in speedway as it is a dangerous sport. Who would know if this team would win the league as injuries, loss of form all come into play. So you can't say without doubt. Every team is put together with the intention of winning the league, but only one can and luck has a big part to play in that! No1 9.0 Ricky Ashworth 9.80 No2 5.0 Lubos Tomicek 5.58 No3 7.5 Sebastian Alden 7.71 No4 6.0 Alex Edberg 6.26 No5 8.5 Lee Complin 8.39 No6 3.0 David Bellego 5.55 No7 3.5 Jason King 3.48 Berwick Bandits = Champions elect! Now come on Dave, Aljack has already stated that Ashworth is not a genuine no. 1 even tho' he currently has an average of 9.07, and is one of only four above 9pts!!! The others being Screen, Gjedde & Barker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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