Ipswich 2012

[tone deaf]

So if these averages are correct Doolans average is still going down along with Lanhams. No wonder Witches will not have any success this season with 2 deadbeat hasbeens in the team.

BORING!

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

My rolling average figures are:

Lanham ... 7.31

Doolan ... 7.29

 

Risager ... 6.22

Tresarrieu ... 6.17

North ... 6.83

 

Tungate ... 6.65

Heeps ... 4.78

 

Not sure where the discrepancies creep in, but I'm trying to keep up to date. Good old statistics!

 

A good example of the impact of RAs is that North has scored 6 points in each of the last two home matches, and his RA has gone up both times - because the scores dropped from over a year ago were worse.

 

2012 averages by my reckoning are (first including BP and second excluding BP):

 

Lanham ... 7.59 ... 6.72

Doolan ... 8.79 ... 7.94

Risager ... 5.75 ... 5.00

Tresarrieu ... 5.81 ... 5.25

North ... 8.14 ... 7.32

Tungate ... 8.00 ... 6.65

Heeps ... 6.09 ... 4.78

Thanks for that Dave - dont worry about the discrepancies even the BSPA official figures are sometimes wrong!!

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

My rolling average figures are:

Lanham ... 7.31

Doolan o... 7.29

Every chance Kev will overtake Leigh soon then.

Or not it seems!!!!!

Edited June 27, 2012 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv

[Gavan]

It must be hard for a lot of you witches fans but i have been a fan for 30 years and can you not see Aljack is right? ok i will agree he goes to far sometimes in condemnation of individuals and im not a louis hater by any means but our club is a laughing stock. the win over glasgow just glossed over how badly our team is put together and the fact that when things go wrong our management do not make changes at all just trundle along to mid table (if we are lucky). look at scunthorpe gone and got morris and now have howe morris and auty as top 3! thats 45 points against our awful top 3 everytime lol. what i am saying is they are struggling and did something about it!

[jenga]

are you going into the national league, yuo have the heatleaders for it.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

The optimist in me wants to say its all about clicking into top form for the play offs.

The realist in me knows a top six finish is a far away pipe dream unless something happens now.

Changes or not it needs sorting.

[Baldyman]

You normally make some very sensible comments, so what would you think needs to happen with not many options to choose from.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

As has been pointed out it is difficult to make changes that you would expect to improve the team as each has to be like for like.

Mat has been most disappointing particularly since the switch to reserve. Are there any 6 pointers out there though? Do we risk a new 5 point assessed and again who?

A restructure for more top end strength is not possible without a 3 point option and probably not viable financially.Of course you need to find the No1 as well !!

A rider order switch is the obvious easy first option.

Kev at 5 showing some leadership taking on that responsibilty.

I would put Dak and Morten together though Dak at 2 could also be considered.

 

No easy answers.

 

 

[Baldyman]

There may or may not be any 6 pointers available, but the more the rider averages drop, a new rider might not be an improvement. So team riding order change, that doesn't mean Doolan would score any more at 5 than he does now. What I don't really understand, is why the team manager still hasn't tried a different riding order. What have we got to lose? It can't get any worse.

[Bash]

It must be hard for a lot of you witches fans but i have been a fan for 30 years and can you not see Aljack is right? ok i will agree he goes to far sometimes in condemnation of individuals and im not a louis hater by any means but our club is a laughing stock. the win over glasgow just glossed over how badly our team is put together and the fact that when things go wrong our management do not make changes at all just trundle along to mid table (if we are lucky). look at scunthorpe gone and got morris and now have howe morris and auty as top 3! thats 45 points against our awful top 3 everytime lol. what i am saying is they are struggling and did something about it!

 

Okay, alter-ego of Aljack, seeing as you have been a fan for exactly the same amount of years! Pull the other one Aljack!

 

There may or may not be any 6 pointers available, but the more the rider averages drop, a new rider might not be an improvement. So team riding order change, that doesn't mean Doolan would score any more at 5 than he does now. What I don't really understand, is why the team manager still hasn't tried a different riding order. What have we got to lose? It can't get any worse.

 

I agree a look at riding order needs to be looked at, putting Kevin at 5 makes sense and he is supposed to be a team man and can help team ride the reserves home, but at he moment even that seems to have disappeared and they just leave their team mates lagging as they're desperate just to get a race win!

[Baldyman]

Well with only 3 heat winners last night and 4 on Thursday and I think only 4 or 5 again a fortnight before that, I wouldn't have said they were desperate for heat wins. Putting Doolan at 5 does seem the best option although I doubt it would improve his form but might help in getting 3.3's by filling in 2nd and 3rd's. I would also give Lanham and north pairing a go, ok so that leaves Morten and Rohan at 3 and 4. Maybe that would make Morten give a bit more.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

Certainly wouldnt put Lanham and North together for 3 heats, but North away from 5 is a must. North has 24 wins at no4 (paired with Doolan), only 4 at no5.Seems that the only rider that wants to ride at 5 is Lanham but due to Doolan being in heat 15 on thursday and coming last is unable to! Think i'd go with:

 

1 Lanham

2 Tungate

3 North

4 Risager

5 Doolan

6 Tresarrieu

7 Heeps

or try Doolan at 2 and Tungate at 5. Tungate at home should be able to hold his own there.

But something is needed to be done, riders are not available to replace the ones we have so riding order is only option

[Bash]

Well with only 3 heat winners last night and 4 on Thursday and I think only 4 or 5 again a fortnight before that, I wouldn't have said they were desperate for heat wins. Putting Doolan at 5 does seem the best option although I doubt it would improve his form but might help in getting 3.3's by filling in 2nd and 3rd's. I would also give Lanham and north pairing a go, ok so that leaves Morten and Rohan at 3 and 4. Maybe that would make Morten give a bit more.

 

When I said desperate for heat wins, I meant when they have got out in front, although that hasn't happened much lately, they don't look for their team-mate and just bugger off into the distance instead of team riding. This suggests there isn't much team spirit at the moment and they are riding as individuals, not as a team.

[grim reaper]

What's wrong with North at 2? Didn't he do well there in heat 1's when given the rr rides not so long ago?

[Baldyman]

Oh, I see now.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Baldyman

[Gavan]

_{ah you got to laugh at some people on here! Bash ive been a speedway fan for 30 years of my 36 year life, i followed mark loram around with my aunt and uncle and always went foxhall as lakeside or arena as it was was not built and we preferred the british league to national league though we did go to rye house a lot as we live in essex. i am not an alter ego of aljack i just happen to agree with what he says sometimes but not in his context always. check where else ive posted on this forum and hopefully you will see we are not the same person. i havent been to foxhall this season as family and work are a hinderence so maybe im not the best person to pass judgement on this years side but im an ipswich fan and want us to do ewell}

[Super Blue]

Well I've been going to Foxhall on and off for 35+ years and ive never seen such a lack of passion within a Witches team ! Even in some of the dark days of massive strings of consecutive defeats the effort was always there if not the quality . I really do fear for future of this club as I think this season is pretty much gone ! I seriously hope I'm wrong about that and I suppose time will tell !

If the likes of Scunny have a bad spell then strengthen their team why are we not doing something similar ? I know there will be those who will ask me what I would do but it's not my job to make those decisions ! Quite simply if a team isn't performing something has GOT to be done !!! If I don't do my job properly I would be sacked , so do something now !!!!!

[Baldyman]

That's the thing, its not up to us to do something or mention the things that could be done, you are right its not our job. The only thing we can do is choose to support the team or not, and going by some of the crowds, It's gradually turning into not. Obviously Morris was available, but not for us as a Thursday club, and I guess there isn't any other riders available that would fit, that don't already ride on a Thursday. I think we are stuck with what we have. Still, there is always next year.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Baldyman

[aljack]

_{ah you got to laugh at some people on here! Bash ive been a speedway fan for 30 years of my 36 year life, i followed mark loram around with my aunt and uncle and always went foxhall as lakeside or arena as it was was not built and we preferred the british league to national league though we did go to rye house a lot as we live in essex. i am not an alter ego of aljack i just happen to agree with what he says sometimes but not in his context always. check where else ive posted on this forum and hopefully you will see we are not the same person. i havent been to foxhall this season as family and work are a hinderence so maybe im not the best person to pass judgement on this years side but im an ipswich fan and want us to do ewell}

 

Thank you Gavan for your vote of confidence, I can assure all on the forum we are not the same person. Yes its time for a wake up call among those fans who just dont grasp the truth whats happening at foxhall. Now Louis has dropped a league he is now in his comfort zone with much less layout of money but notice the gate money is very little less than in the elite and the £2.50 programme is shocking. Sign genuine heatleaders? no! cost more than riders like Doolan, Lanham and Risager all going backwards in their careers and now our young 3 Aussies are losing their form also because of the "senior" riders not pulling their weight. Also yes these are sad days indeed and cant remember such a lack of comradeship among the riders with the likes of Lanham riding his own riders out for a point in a 1-5 loss and now the fan base is deteriorating at a fast pace with gaps everywhere on the terraces.

[wjm]

I don’t know where this idea comes from that the Ipswich team is “cheap”.

 

On paper they have built excellent sides the last two seasons IMO.

 

They have signed riders that would have been in demand and most PL sides would have took in a heartbeat like Bjerre, Poole, Heeps, Tungate and to a lesser extent Doolan, Lanham and North.

 

They have built sides that have had, again, on paper, and on reputation, strength from 1-7.

 

A lot of teams need to sacrifice top end strength for reserve power, or vice versa, the last two years Ipswich have had the lot.

 

I don’t have the access to riders wages and demands in the same way others seem to, but going by rider reputation alone, a lot of work has went into their team building I don’t see it as being a lazy or half assed effort.

 

They have been very unfortunate with injuries since they dropped to the PL. I appreciate that fans have the right to ask and expect more from their teams now and then, but sometimes the points people make are nothing more than illogical bollocks and they seem to just skip over points when it suits them.