Lovey Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 When Morton and Taylor are fit can we have them both back in the team please and keep Leigh at number 1 . I will leave you all to work out for yourselves who i think should lose his spot by his perfomances so far this year . You need to understand the rules. Also, if you're prepared to make assumptions based on just a handful of matches, you've been watching too much football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Tressarieu is obviously the rider in question. Far to early to get worried although he has started poorly by his standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Well i have to admit when you are only operating with only 6 riders you cant really afford to have anyone under par . We got away with it at Leiceester but if Tres had been scoring as we know he can , the scores on both Friday and Saturday would have most certainly been even more in our favour ! Also i dont know about other peoples opinions about supposedly '' meaningless ! '' meetings , but as a fan for nearly 40 years i want us to win everything going if possible ! Lets be honest weve seen some very good times and some equally bad over the years ! Does anyone know if the League Cup matches count to the overall rider averages ? If they do it wont be too long before Rohan is out of reserve spot and someone else in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Does anyone know if the League Cup matches count to the overall rider averages ? If they do it wont be too long before Rohan is out of reserve spot and someone else in. It all depends on the Rolling Averages. As I said, you need to learn and understand more about the rules. I have asked a few questions about how the averages will be calculated and applied this season. Tungate and Heeps will be the only two Sackers Witches riders with "real-time" averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Does anyone know if the League Cup matches count to the overall rider averages ? If they do it wont be too long before Rohan is out of reserve spot and someone else in . Good question. If the answer is yes then the League Cup is 4 home and 4 away and so long as the rules havent changed (no guarantee there though!!) Cam and Rohan will get their new averages.Of course with the rest of the team having rolling averages even if Mats poor form continues his average will show a less dramatic drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Blue Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 It all depends on the Rolling Averages. As I said, you need to learn and understand more about the rules. I have asked a few questions about how the averages will be calculated and applied this season. Tungate and Heeps will be the only two Sackers Witches riders with "real-time" averages. Give me a break Lovey , Ive seen every flipping rule change in the last 40 years and its mighty tough keeping up with them all ! They seem to change on a daily basis so hence the question . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Witches Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 calm down well even with the rolling averages the way tungate is going he wont be in the reserve berth for long i think cam will stay there for a little longer as hes only 16 but hopefully they will both keep up there impressive form all the way through this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggytastic Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Is it possible that rider replacement could end up at reserve and if so would it be allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) ...........Does anyone know if the League Cup matches count to the overall rider averages ? If they do it wont be too long before Rohan is out of reserve spot and someone else in . As the 2012 Rules & Regs have yet to be published, it's not easy to provide a definitive statement. However the recent issue of the latest Green Sheets do provide some clues. It appears that PL RAs will continue to be calculated over 38 meetings. League Cup meetings have been included, for meetings up to and including 23rd March 2012. Assuming Rule 17.4.3 hasn't been amended, given that we don’t suffer any rain offs, both Tungate and Heeps will complete their fourth away meeting on the 4th May. However there is a provision, that should this not be achieved in order to be effective from 1st May, then the MC will issue a revised CMA. Is it possible that rider replacement could end up at reserve and if so would it be allowed? No. Rule 18.2.2 d) Absent #6 (by CMA): Guest e) Absent #7 (by CMA): NL Guest Edited April 4, 2012 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Give me a break Lovey , Ive seen every flipping rule change in the last 40 years and its mighty tough keeping up with them all ! They seem to change on a daily basis so hence the question . I agree we all need a break from the ever changing rules, but it's not a straightforward assumption that Tungate will jump straight into the team. As a quick example, Tressarieu's current 6.87 Green Sheet is based on only 18 matches. Even if he scores just 4 points per 4 rides in his next 20 matches (for an average of 4.00), his 38 match Rolling average will actually be 5.48. So, for riders who already have rolling averages we can't predict what their new averages will be, e.g. on 1st May, unless we know exactly which old scores will be dropped (where the rider has a maximum 38 matches in their green sheet). Even with North's excellent start to the season, his average may not change drastically ... so if Tungate averages say 6.00, then it could be North who falls to reserve ... I have sent a couple of e-mails trying to find out how this is all supposed to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Witches Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 i see if it works out like that it would be pretty good having nnorth there either way we should be strong at reserve all season which is a bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) I see Berwick have had new averages issued, hmmmm. they rode in the League Cup on the 23rd March vs Scunthorpe but Scunthorpe's averages have NOT changed nor have Edinburgh who rode at Redcar the night before or Plymouth that rode Rye House on the 23rd.... I understand there is a cutoff date but when? and if 1 team is effected why not those others? confused...... As for Rolling averages, it would be simple for the BSPA to issue details on a spreadsheet but we are talking about the BSPA so probably written down on post it notes! Edited April 4, 2012 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Rolling averages certainly can produce some anomolies. I'm sure that most Witches' fans would think that The Skipper has had a fairly decent start to the season. Yet if the rolling averages were released today his average would have fallen from 7.19 to 7.08, despite the fact that after three LC meetings his CMA is 7.76, and with BP it sits at 8.71. It demonstrates that rolling averages are a little like an oil tanker, in that it can take a long time to turn round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 I see Berwick have had new averages issued, hmmmm. they rode in the League Cup on the 23rd March vs Scunthorpe but Scunthorpe's averages have NOT changed nor have Edinburgh who rode at Redcar the night before or Plymouth that rode Rye House on the 23rd.... I understand there is a cutoff date but when? and if 1 team is effected why not those others? confused...... As for Rolling averages, it would be simple for the BSPA to issue details on a spreadsheet but we are talking about the BSPA so probably written down on post it notes! Certainly I'm not going to defend RAs or the BSPA, but all the above mentioned have had their averages amended. As examples - Bowen going from 5.03 to 4.97; Barker 9.87 to 9.94; Howe 8.32 to 8.23; Tulley 7.82 to 7.66; and Summers 7.49 to 7.67. I agree totally with the spreadsheet idea, but as they can't even manage to publish the 2012 Rules & regs.....what are the chances?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Ah i downloaded the team declarations sheet which has old figures on! But has Risager instead of Lanham!? Edited April 4, 2012 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) upto date averages for the Witches..... Lanham 7.76* Doolan 7.11 Poole 6.90 Tresarrieu 6.51 Tungate 6.75* North 6.17 Heeps 5.23* *Lanham's includes Rye House and ipswich LC matches, Heeps and Tungate 3 matches only 3 matches in April before new green sheets issued, when will Tungate and Heeps be given "proper" ave? Edited April 4, 2012 by 2ndbendbeerhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 As the 2012 Rules & Regs have yet to be published, it's not easy to provide a definitive statement. Yes they have, I have had mine for about 3 weeks now. Perhaps someone has missed you out of the loop. Good man if he has . Certainly I'm not going to defend RAs or the BSPA, but all the above mentioned have had their averages amended. As examples - Bowen going from 5.03 to 4.97; Barker 9.87 to 9.94; Howe 8.32 to 8.23; Tulley 7.82 to 7.66; and Summers 7.49 to 7.67. I agree totally with the spreadsheet idea, but as they can't even manage to publish the 2012 Rules & regs.....what are the chances?!!! ...and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Rolling averages certainly can produce some anomolies. I'm sure that most Witches' fans would think that The Skipper has had a fairly decent start to the season. Yet if the rolling averages were released today his average would have fallen from 7.19 to 7.08, despite the fact that after three LC meetings his CMA is 7.76, and with BP it sits at 8.71. It demonstrates that rolling averages are a little like an oil tanker, in that it can take a long time to turn round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Yes they have, I have had mine for about 3 weeks now Out of interest, are they available for the general public to view and if so where? Just been onto the SCB website and the rules & regs on there are for 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Out of interest, are they available for the general public to view and if so where? Just been onto the SCB website and the rules & regs on there are for 2011. I really don't know. I think they are issued to promotions and officials first, the public next then Snacky, but I could be wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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