tone deaf Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Spot on there that Mr Muppet my sentiments exactly, cant beat the top riders riding every week at foxhall. When did we see 'top riders' at Foxhall? Most of the GP riders don't bother with the EL. Edited November 30, 2011 by tone deaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Sharman Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Spot on there that Mr Muppet my sentiments exactly, cant beat the top riders riding every week at foxhall. Just so we are all clear, could you please name these "top riders" at Foxhall EVERY week. Obviously we wont include the Premier League 2011, but lets say the 2010 season. There really are some dilusional people on this forum that clearly cannot see what is happening now at Foxhall is in the BEST INTEREST OF THE CLUB. Lets go for your Top Ten Top Riders and I'll create a list for you, which I look forward to you populating: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 nothing wrong with the english prem league the english snob league sorry elitte league is very weak off late only a few decent riders and the rest made up of riders who think there better than they are or cant get a good ride in prem league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Just so we are all clear, could you please name these "top riders" at Foxhall EVERY week. Obviously we wont include the Premier League 2011, but lets say the 2010 season. There really are some dilusional people on this forum that clearly cannot see what is happening now at Foxhall is in the BEST INTEREST OF THE CLUB. Lets go for your Top Ten Top Riders and I'll create a list for you, which I look forward to you populating: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - Maybe after that list is compiled, you could write down a top 10 list of Premier league riders and compare them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 the top riders in the top flight are better than the top in prem league but just look at charlie gjedde he can reach very similar average in both leagues at the same time the prem league is a lot more evenly matched which produces better or closer racing if you dont want to class racing as better than watching 1 fast guy pulling away and the others following behind half a lap down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Sharman Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 There will be no comparison, of course, as they are two different league, one higher than the other. Like the Premiership in football is a higher division that the Championship. What I am keen to establish is, in Aljerks eyes, the Top Ten Top Riders that we are being deprived from watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 the top riders in the top flight are better than the top in prem league but just look at charlie gjedde he can reach very similar average in both leagues at the same time the prem league is a lot more evenly matched which produces better or closer racing if you dont want to class racing as better than watching 1 fast guy pulling away and the others following behind half a lap down The King's Lynn and Birmingham fans on here seem to disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 im just going from the meetings on sky same teams on every other week and not what i class as good racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 im just going from the meetings on sky same teams on every other week and not what i class as good racing Each to their own. Personally, i thought the Elite league meetings on sky last year were generally superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Sharman Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Like you say, it is personal choice and a very subjective issue. Suffice to say, that if you prefer the Elite League then you should travel to an Elite League track and watch the speedway there. Conversely, if you like watching Premier League speedway then visit a track which offers this level of entertainment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 There will be no comparison, of course, as they are two different league, one higher than the other. Like the Premiership in football is a higher division that the Championship. What I am keen to establish is, in Aljerks eyes, the Top Ten Top Riders that we are being deprived from watching. And deprived from watching "Every" week. Since when ever did the EL ride every week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Like you say, it is personal choice and a very subjective issue. Suffice to say, that if you prefer the Elite League then you should travel to an Elite League track and watch the speedway there. Conversely, if you like watching Premier League speedway then visit a track which offers this level of entertainment. Or if your team is in the Elite then its far superior to the rubbish served up in the Premier, or if your team is in the Premier it serves up far better racing than the overrated rubbish in the Elite. And if your team rides in the NL, its far more entertaining than the Elite and Premier combined! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Or if your team is in the Elite then its far superior to the rubbish served up in the Premier, or if your team is in the Premier it serves up far better racing than the overrated rubbish in the Elite. And if your team rides in the NL, its far more entertaining than the Elite and Premier combined! A rather extravagant generalisation. Certainly when Ipswich were in the NsEL, I and many others were definately not offering the opinion that the racing in that league was far superior to the PL. Indeed it was the complete opposite. A diagnosis that appears to have been proved correct!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In the Redcar section of the speedway star, brian havelock says matt is rejoining the witches for 2012. I hope so as he is very entertaining to watch and can ride all sizes of tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) A rather extravagant generalisation. Certainly when Ipswich were in the NsEL, I and many others were definately not offering the opinion that the racing in that league was far superior to the PL. Indeed it was the complete opposite. A diagnosis that appears to have been proved correct!!! I think Zodiak's comment was pretty spot on, and as has been said, the Birmingham fans and Kings Lynn fans have enjoyed the NsEL as you put it, and Ipswich fans seemed to have enjoyed the nothingPaboutitL. Everyone's a winner. Has Sedgmen been mentioned as a possible signing for the Witches anywhere? A talented rider who needs to be full time in PL to get his confidence back, I reckon a good Club like Ipswich would be ideal for him for 2012 Edited December 1, 2011 by Reliant Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 A rather extravagant generalisation. Certainly when Ipswich were in the NsEL, I and many others were definately not offering the opinion that the racing in that league was far superior to the PL. Indeed it was the complete opposite. A diagnosis that appears to have been proved correct!!! And a rather extravagant generalisation from you in thinking you've been proved correct that Premier league racing is superior. Of course, watching your Elite league racing at Foxhall and thrill a minute third rate gating Poles, I can understand why you would come to that misguided assumption. The dross you've been watching at Foxhall is not representative of Elite league racing one iota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) And a rather extravagant generalisation from you in thinking you've been proved correct that Premier league racing is superior. Of course, watching your Elite league racing at Foxhall and thrill a minute third rate gating Poles, I can understand why you would come to that misguided assumption. The dross you've been watching at Foxhall is not representative of Elite league racing one iota. I haven't made any generalisations, I have made a specific comment that based on MY experience and MY opinion that I believed that racing in the PL to be better than the NsEL. A point of view that many others share, although I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that that included everyone. Your rather banal comment was that "if your team is in the Elite then its far superior to the rubbish served up in the Premier.....", and vice versa. That old boy is a generalisation. Clearly comprehension is something of an issue, and to help you in your future discourse I have taken the liberty of attaching a definition of generalisation: "a proposition asserting something to be true either of all members of a certain class or of an indefinite part of that class." I do hope this helps, and now armed with this new found knowledge, you can now return to your beloved NsEL section with renewed vigour and authority!!! Edited December 1, 2011 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I haven't made any generalisations, I have made a specific comment that based on MY experience and MY opinion that I believed that racing in the PL to be better than the NsEL. A point of view that many others share, although I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that that included everyone. Your rather banal comment was that "if your team is in the Elite then its far superior to the rubbish served up in the Premier.....", and vice versa. That old boy is a generalisation. Clearly comprehension is something of an issue, and to help you in your future discourse I have taken the liberty of attaching a definition of generalisation: "a proposition asserting something to be true either of all members of a certain class or of an indefinite part of that class." I do hope this helps, and now armed with this new found knowledge, you can now return to your beloved NsEL section with renewed vigour and authority!!! Jesus Christ you really shouldn't have gone to so much trouble!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Jesus Christ you really shouldn't have gone to so much trouble!! Umm I don't think Snacky is J.C., though . at times, he might think he is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I see Chris Louis is releasing details in the middle of next week of exciting news regarding a new signing or 2 for next season. Lets hope that includes a no.1 who is capable of winning heats 13 and 15 on a regular basis and give support to Doolan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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