Arch Stanton Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I agree that a few people need to calm down a little here! Brian Havelock made comments that a club other than his own had thrown "silly money" at Rohan Tungate which led to one Redcar supporter to make the assumption he could be "Ipswich bound". That snowballed and led to others saying a deal between Ipswich and Tungate was nearly done and dusted. Nick Morris is a highly sought after young rider who a lot of Ipswich fans have written down on their wishlist for next season. So have many other fans of other clubs. All this is pure speculation and has led to sniping from supporters of other clubs already who are accusing the club of trying to "buy the title", "cherry picking the best young talent", and generally having a bottomless pit of money to throw here there and everywhere!! All this based on pure speculation. Up to now, the club have signed one rider that came as no surprise to anyone, Cameron Heeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I agree that a few people need to calm down a little here! Brian Havelock made comments that a club other than his own had thrown "silly money" at Rohan Tungate which led to one Redcar supporter to make the assumption he could be "Ipswich bound". That snowballed and led to others saying a deal between Ipswich and Tungate was nearly done and dusted. Nick Morris is a highly sought after young rider who a lot of Ipswich fans have written down on their wishlist for next season. So have many other fans of other clubs. All this is pure speculation and has led to sniping from supporters of other clubs already who are accusing the club of trying to "buy the title", "cherry picking the best young talent", and generally having a bottomless pit of money to throw here there and everywhere!! All this based on pure speculation. Up to now, the club have signed one rider that came as no surprise to anyone, Cameron Heeps. He did also say that it was a team who were still using some of there Sky money to do it - can't think of any other PL side who would have Sky money to do it. Whether its sour grapes from Havelock on missing out or not - I have no problem with Ipswich paying whatever they pay. You probably have some of the biggest gates and are no doubt looking on winning the league. He does look a cracking prospect though and a bit disappointed to be honest he is not joining us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone deaf Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I think thereby lies the problem. I think you are wrong in generalising, T there are a few very good Brits coming through ( no disrespect, nor picking on you here ) but maybe Brit fans should give them a bit of time before dismissing. At Ippo you had Jerran this year who given a bit of time will progress - yet all too easily criticised by some Witches fans. Have seen Josh Auty a number of time and he has always been value for money, Adam Roynon if he stays injury free can kick on, Scunny @ NL this year had 4 or 5 riders who SHOULD be given a chance next season not forgetting Jason Garrity. Not so much of a gap between Blackbird and Heeps - remember Lewis started this year ( first in the sport )at reserve and ended up a Heat leader. Cameron IS something special and at 16 has already had a number of years in the sport. Maybe the fact that there are few Brits coming through is the upper two Leagues taking the easy option and plundering Europe for riders with experience rather than running with Brits ( who without being given the chance will ever get the experience ). Maybe as a Sport it is about time TV money etc was passed down the Leagues to allow the likes of the Scunnys, Rye House and the excellent management team at Mildenhall ( not only Heeps, Blackbird but the likes of Dan Halsey making massive strides forward this last season - and Aaron Baseby kicking forwards too ) to expand the network of bringing youngsters on ( no problem either with there being a capped amount of young Aussies etc being included, most of them appear to be excellent role models and have the winning mentality we need to start breeding again and also raise the level of the lower tier). Kev Good post Kev. I wasn't intending to write off the Brits, its just hard to see a Holder or Ward coming through here. I hope to be proved wrong! I would still like to see at least one Brit in the Witches team. Jerran had the fastest time around Foxhall this year but is not consistent & his attitude has not always impressed everyone. As for Mildenhall, the promotion have done a great job there & hope it continues. Lewis Blackbird has certainly come on well & it would be great if he can carry on from there & make the step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 We won't produce a Holder, Ward or Heeps over here until we get regular, structured and organised speedway racing and training for kids long before they are old enough to ride NL. Phil Morris are working their backsides off with the limited infrastructure they have but until the authorities invest we'll be behind the likes of Poland, Aus, Sweden and Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 *and Neil Vatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 When comparing Heeps and Blackbird(or Jacobs, Halsey, Baseby, Baseby, Hargreaves) what you have to remember is the amount of track time they have had. Heeps must have had unlimited in Aussie, whereas where can a Brit just turn up and practice? Also how much time, effort and money have Louis (or others in the Mildenhall pits, Lee, Jolly, Doncaster, Risager etc) put into Heeps? If this had been given to a (young) Brit, what could they acheive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Morris ain't going to be cheap as Glasgow I reckon will be looking for a 5 figure sum, if he's not going EL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 He did also say that it was a team who were still using some of there Sky money to do it - can't think of any other PL side who would have Sky money to do it. Whether its sour grapes from Havelock on missing out or not - I have no problem with Ipswich paying whatever they pay. You probably have some of the biggest gates and are no doubt looking on winning the league. He does look a cracking prospect though and a bit disappointed to be honest he is not joining us. Have you thought it might possibly be Kings Lynn or Birmingham??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Morris ain't going to be cheap as Glasgow I reckon will be looking for a 5 figure sum, if he's not going EL If Morris wants to sign for Ipswich, and I don't know one way or the other whether he does or not, there is little than Glasgow can do about it. I dont believe he has signed a contract for the 2012 season, and consequently as a free agent he can sign for whichever promotion he chooses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovey Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) He did also say that it was a team who were still using some of there Sky money to do it - can't think of any other PL side who would have Sky money to do it. As mentioned by another sensible poster, the whole Tungate to Ipswich thing was mentioned by a single person, and has suddenly become the truth, and that Ipswich have loads of money, and now there are even claims that they've got Sky money! I doubt that any of the EL teams have got Sky money squirrelled away - it's simply used to subsidise an expensive product. If there was any spare cash at Foxhall, it was invested this season. I spoke to Chris Louis early in the season and he said they were working to a strict budget - I have no reason to doubt that, but I absolutely do not know any details. I did establish anecdotal evidence that the top riders in the EL can earn as much in one match as a whole PL 1-7 on the standard PL rates. Edited November 5, 2011 by Lovey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treborbee Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 How about this team: 1. Rene Bach 8,58 2. Morten Risager 6,26 3. Tomas Topinka 6,78 4. Taylor Poole 6,56 5. Nick Morris 5,99 6. Rohan Tungate 5,00 7. Cameron Heeps 3,00 Total: 42,17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 No to Topinka he was woeful when he rode for ipswich in 99 after we dropped ben howe and on the downward slide. If we do end up with turngate then I think he will start in the top 5 as I think hart will be back. I think you could see something like this if it would fit in the limit. A lot has been said that bjerre will go el but i'm not so sure he is still only 18 and another year at pl level will do no harm 1 Doolan 2 poole 3 bjerre 4 turngate/reisger 5 morris 6 hart 7 heeps I also think blackbird could play a part somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 If Morris wants to sign for Ipswich, and I don't know one way or the other whether he does or not, there is little than Glasgow can do about it. I dont believe he has signed a contract for the 2012 season, and consequently as a free agent he can sign for whichever promotion he chooses. As a Glasgow assett they will be entitled to money for him whether on loan or transfer.Glasgow have already indicated that he will not be there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) As a Glasgow assett (sic) they will be entitled to money for him whether on loan or transfer.Glasgow have already indicated that he will not be there next year. Whilst he may be on the Glasgow Retained List, as I assume that Morris hasn't signed a 2012 Contract he is a free agent and can sign for whichever promotion he chooses. I'm afraid Glasgow are entitled to zilch, but as members of the club, I'm sure that an accommodation will be reached, so as "not to rock the boat". However I have to say that it is a massive assumption that Morris wil ride at Foxhall next season, and with a 2011 CMA of 7.19, it's not necessarily the bargain essential signing that others might think. This is particularly true, if the boy, as has been reported, plans to ride regularly in Polska. With the number of weekend fixtures in the PL, I think it's a difficult proposition for a rider to double up in the Poliski and Premeir Leagues. Edited November 6, 2011 by Mr Snackette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Just out of interest, what were the crowds like in 2011 compared to previous seasons in the Elite league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Just out of interest, what were the crowds like in 2011 compared to previous seasons in the Elite league? The crowds were up at the start of the season due to the novelty of going premier and new teams. But after about half the season the crowds dropped alarmingly to new lows and ended up the worst gates I had seen at foxhall for many a year. Seeing the same teams again was not appealing at all and became mostly boring walk-overs. No premier as gates were concerned, was not a success at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 However I have to say that it is a massive assumption that Morris wil ride at Foxhall next season, and with a 2011 CMA of 7.19, it's not necessarily the bargain essential signing that others might think. This is particularly true, if the boy, as has been reported, plans to ride regularly in Polska. With the number of weekend fixtures in the PL, I think it's a difficult proposition for a rider to double up in the Poliski and Premeir Leagues. Totally agree. Everyone was taking the figure of 5.99 and not his final CMA which looks less appealing and add to the fact that a lot of that was due to big scores from reserve. Very fine prospect of course and i don't think any fan would turn their noses up if the lad signed for their club. But as you say, not quite the bargain that everyone seems to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Whilst he may be on the Glasgow Retained List, as I assume that Morris hasn't signed a 2012 Contract he is a free agent(rubbish) and can sign for whichever promotion he chooses(rubbish). I'm afraid Glasgow are entitled to zilch(rubbish), but as members of the club, I'm sure that an accommodation will be reached, so as "not to rock the boat".(Rollocks) However I have to say that it is a massive assumption that Morris wil ride at Foxhall next season, and with a 2011 CMA of 7.19, it's not necessarily the bargain essential signing that others might think. This is particularly true, if the boy, as has been reported, plans to ride regularly in Polska. With the number of weekend fixtures in the PL, I think it's a difficult proposition for a rider to double up in the Poliski and Premeir Leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thank you for you critique of my earlier piece, although the absence of any comment to substantiate your remarks is a little disappointing.. However coming from someone who at the start of the season struggled to understand the meaning of the word reactionary, should anyone really be surprised?????!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Just out of interest, what were the crowds like in 2011 compared to previous seasons in the Elite league? Much better regardless of what Aljack says, mind you we had one of the worst EL team lineups in 2010 to be fair, and they just couldn't ride the "new" track whereas most of the away teams loved it!!! It is a fact that the attendance was down a bit later in the season due to the fact that our diehard 1000 or so fans were boosted quite considerably by "new away" supporters visiting Foxhall for the first time but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as our happy chappy insists on posting!!! TBF the 2nd phase didn't help did it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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