Mildenhall V Scunthorpe

[rhidassa]

Agree with much of your comments, Halifax Tiger.

Especially regarding the fraction of Mildenhall supporters cheering when a Saint fell (on most occasions).

It's appalling behaviour and should be stamped out of the sport as much as possible.

 

Which is the main reason I rarely attend nowadays; I only attend if its my team, or there's a rider I know/support racing. I've found on visits there are several people who like to cheer and experienced it again Sunday, though nobody cheered when Stefan fell off (fortunately). I find myself too likely to lose my temper when someone cheers at a fall/crash, as it really, really bothers me. The easiest solution for me is to not attend.

[Ben Alderton]

Which is the main reason I rarely attend nowadays; I only attend if its my team, or there's a rider I know/support racing. I've found on visits there are several people who like to cheer and experienced it again Sunday, though nobody cheered when Stefan fell off (fortunately). I find myself too likely to lose my temper when someone cheers at a fall/crash, as it really, really bothers me. The easiest solution for me is to not attend.

So fans only do it at Mildenhall do they, it happens at every track.

[Jim Sharman]

My god I so hope so if that mean Witches will replace him at no6 in the Witches team for the rest of season

 

I got the impression that Jerran MAY be turning out for the Fen Tigers AND The Witches, so supporters of both of Suffolk's teams would get the pleasure of seeing him in action

[PhilK]

I think if Jerran rode for us he would come in on his last NL average, although I stand to be corrected?? The rules are so difficult to keep up with

 

If that was the case, according to the BSPA site it is 9.04 which is too high to replace Cameron as he is 8.74.

[PhilK]

Must say where i was stood at the track shop for heat 14...Halsey was no where near Nielsen.....Nielsen's front wheel came up and was out of control when he hit the fence.......Never even crossed my mind Halsey would be excluded..pleanty of room given it what was a terrific race.....Best wishes to Stefan

 

jb

 

I was in the stand jb and it happened so quickly it was hard to tell, but the photo sequence in the EADT on Monday seemed to back up your view of things.

 

Also Stefan wasn't excluded as suggested on the updates.

 

Whatever the important thing here is that he was ok, he has shown great promise whenever I have seen him and hopefully he will soon be on track.

[rhidassa]

So fans only do it at Mildenhall do they, it happens at every track.

 

I didn't say it didn't.

I said I've experienced it a lot at Mildenhall, more so than at other tracks, and thus rather than moan about it every week (other than this one ) chose not to go. I do have friends amongst the Mildenhall fans, and enjoy catching up with them every now and again, it just deters me from attending frequently. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion from my experiences over recent years, and others I've stood with have expressed the same view. I will be attending this Sunday again though, if you want to discuss it with me feel free.. I usually stand in the home straight stand unless its so amazingly sunny that its a sin to stay under shelter.

Edited August 23, 2011 by rhidassa

[Bigballs]

I didn't say it didn't.

I said I've experienced it a lot at Mildenhall, more so than at other tracks, and thus rather than moan about it every week (other than this one ) chose not to go. I do have friends amongst the Mildenhall fans, and enjoy catching up with them every now and again, it just deters me from attending frequently. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion from my experiences over recent years, and others I've stood with have expressed the same view. I will be attending this Sunday again though, if you want to discuss it with me feel free.. I usually stand in the home straight stand unless its so amazingly sunny that its a sin to stay under shelter.

Hi, I feel I must join in I went to Mildenhall and I was in the stands when S Worrell fell there was a cheer but it wasn't an aggressive cheer more a relief cheer because I have to admit both Worrells where on fire but unlucky (ref not calling all 4 back) when Wrathall fell 1st bend leaving Steve swerving to avoid him race should have been stopped. It's only my opinion but I didn't find the midenhall supporters offensive they were enjoying some good entertainment from both sides As was I..Cheering when a rider falls is a no no but regarding Mildenhall fans I have heard worse and in heat 15 when Stefan fell you could here a pin drop. Total respect . Glad to hear Stefan is on the mend he is 1 tuff lad.

Edited August 23, 2011 by Bigballs

[norwichkev]

Hi, I feel I must join in I went to Mildenhall and I was in the stands when S Worrell fell there was a cheer but it wasn't an aggressive cheer more a relief cheer because I have to admit both Worrells where on fire but unlucky (ref not calling all 4 back) when Wrathall fell 1st bend leaving Steve swerving to avoid him race should have been stopped. It's only my opinion but I didn't find the midenhall supporters offensive they were enjoying some good entertainment from both sides As was I..Cheering when a rider falls is a no no but regarding Mildenhall fans I have heard worse and in heat 15 when Stefan fell you could here a pin drop. Total respect . Glad to hear Stefan is on the mend he is 1 tuff lad.

Totally agree, I can understand the earlier comments but they were related to the Birks slide off which was fairly innocuous, and after he had jumped the start a couple of times and got away with it - was i feel an ironic response of justice.

 

Afraid we are all getting sucked in by the PC brigade that we are not allowed to have an opinion. If you want to be realistic? - total silence with the Stefan crash, that is the real response by not just mildy but all true Speedway fans.

 

Kev

[norwichkev]

Which is the main reason I rarely attend nowadays; I only attend if its my team, or there's a rider I know/support racing. I've found on visits there are several people who like to cheer and experienced it again Sunday, though nobody cheered when Stefan fell off (fortunately). I find myself too likely to lose my temper when someone cheers at a fall/crash, as it really, really bothers me. The easiest solution for me is to not attend.

 

Lorna, great to see you again Sunday.

 

Don't do that, the way to look at it is if a rider is a distant fourth his reason for carrying on is the hope that a rider in front falls or has a mechanical problem. Riders and supporters want to win which is not wrong as is a highly competitive sport, but agree with you 100% if it's a bad smash it is a different matter ( ala stefan ), and quite rightly you noticed the response. Take the will to win away and we do not have a sport.

 

Ironically it is normally opposing riders whom are doing well who get a cheer when they fall, but suspect it is normally a relief response which i guess in a twisted way is more of a mark of respect.

 

This year more than most I have noticed the appreciation by the Mildy crowd of opposing riders, take Lambert last week - yes, he rides Elite but how many on the forum have cribbed? he was superb on the day and deserves all the accolades.

 

Kev

[Halifaxtiger]

Totally agree, I can understand the earlier comments but they were related to the Birks slide off which was fairly innocuous, and after he had jumped the start a couple of times and got away with it - was i feel an ironic response of justice.

 

 

Kev

 

The problem is Kev is that even the most simple of falls can result in serious injury. By all accounts Alan Wilkinson slid off and gently banged the Belle Vue safety fence back in 1978 - the only thing was he'd hit the nerves in his back and was paralysed for life. I also believe that when Kevin Holden was killed at Poole it was something very similar.

 

Those who celebrated Birks falling off on Sunday would have undoubtedly done so on the above occasions as well.

 

And that's precisely the point - you just can't tell what a rider has done when he falls off which is no better evidenced than by Stefan Nielsen's appalling crash which seemingly has resulted in little more than a cut chin.

 

Its why I completely agree with Lorna here. I find any kind of cheering, celebrating - call it what you will - when a rider falls off nothing less than sickening and there is no excuse for it whatsoever.

 

I should say that Sunday is the first time I have ever heard it at Mildenhall, though - the worst I have heard this season, by far, was at Coventry where little short of a party broke out when Newman, Ward & Gafurov fell off.

 

I can remember a similar incident at Reading a few years ago when Jari Makinen fell while at the back. The abuse started almost immediately and went on right up to the point that the ambulance came out as he'd broken his ankle in two places. Disgraceful

 

As for blatant cheating, I'd say that Mr Blackbird could teach Mr Birks a few lessons wouldn't you ?

Edited August 24, 2011 by Halifaxtiger

[norwichkev]

The problem is Kev is that . By all accounts Alan Wilkinson slid off and gently banged the Belle Vue safety fence back in 1978 - the only thing was he'd hit the nerves in his back and was paralysed for life. I also believe that when Kevin Holden was killed at Poole it was something very similar.

 

Those who celebrated Birks falling off on Sunday would have undoubtedly done so on the above occasions as well.

 

And that's precisely the point - you just can't tell what a rider has done when he falls off which is no better evidenced than by Stefan Nielsen's appalling crash which seemingly has resulted in little more than a cut chin.

 

Its why I completely agree with Lorna here. I find any kind of cheering, celebrating - call it what you will - when a rider falls off nothing less than sickening and there is no excuse for it whatsoever.

 

I should say that Sunday is the first time I have ever heard it at Mildenhall, though - the worst I have heard this season, by far, was at Coventry where little short of a party broke out when Newman, Ward & Gafurov fell off.

 

I can remember a similar incident at Reading a few years ago when Jari Makinen fell while at the back. The abuse started almost immediately and went on right up to the point that the ambulance came out as he'd broken his ankle in two places. Disgraceful

 

As for blatant cheating, I'd say that Mr Blackbird could teach Mr Birks a few lessons wouldn't you ?

I can see what you are trying to say m8 but IMO this issue is maybe getting out of proportion, cheering when things have gone wrong for the opposition etc has gone on for many years due to the partisan nature of a team sport - in general society now has bred the UK into an over sensitive nation where e.g. schools have non competitive sports days so nobody's feelings get hurt.

 

In life you have to balance things out, the week before there were groans when Camo fell in Ht 15 I suspect it was much the same people who cheered Birks sliding off - either could have been injured no difference there - you can't have one side without the other, some people are vocal others not hence the same people were deathly quiet when Stefan fell. If an opposing rider is leading a race and his engine blows you will get cheers - then a good round of applause from the same people who cheered when he pushes his bike home. Bring in a fear culture and you will take away the atmosphere.

 

Even though it is slightly off topic I think you maybe misread my post, Birks did not "cheat" he got away with moving at the start the ref missed it 1000 fans didn't. Lewis was hopping about when he fell, take your own analogy "even the most simple of falls can result in serious injury" you do not know whether he was hurt or not, you are surmising - a few weeks back Shane Hazledene from Hackney did it twice at Mildy in the same meeting - it is down to the referee to hand out punishment if he feels there is a misdemeanour and he did not, so presumably in his eyes there was not. At the time of the incident you were standing with a Team Manager, ask him what he would expect one of his riders to do in the same sort of situation injured or not. Oh and watch the Elite on TV you will see it happens often, time for a reality check me feels. I think the word you are looking for is gamesmanship.

 

Can't comment on Jari, however, Rusty who did the updates had a pop at Camo last week for cheating by falling and feigning even though it turned out he had broken his wrist, after watching IOW last night in ht15 Rob Smith was at least a bike length behind everybody else coming into the first bend and slid himself off gaining a re-run - ref fell for it and he got allowed back in - I am sure in his comments on updates Rusty was consistent with the week before

 

Can't blame supporters for supporting their own team against all others.

 

Kev

[boston five]

we were on the first bend on sunday and several times some one in the crowd would say fence him as the rider passed a scunny rider unfortunately it happened to stefen which made it even worse

[norwichkev]

we were on the first bend on sunday and several times some one in the crowd would say fence him as the rider passed a scunny rider unfortunately it happened to stefen which made it even worse

You will always get idiots wherever you go, most would agree totally unacceptable - however, read the comments from around the track and the action of the ref Stefan's appears to have been a racing accident with no blame no more, no less ( cant quite understand where you are coming from, whether it was Stefan or any other rider makes no odds ).

 

Mildenhall have had the reputation over the years as a great crowd home and away - knowing a few on the first band I find that hard to believe. If you heard it then fair do's but I would hate to think people are trying to jump on a bandwagon that doesn't exist.

 

Kev