Halifaxtiger Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Given the performance today, I think Stoke would probably choose Mildenhall, but it has the potential to be a very interesting play-offs for all teams involved! I think it could be a very attractive and engaging end to what has been, at least as far as I am concerned, a pretty good NL season . Almost certainly Stoke, Scunny, Mildenhall & Belle Vue meaning that two of the best race tracks are also involved. Like you, I can't see Stoke picking Scunny and I don't think they will choose Belle Vue either after yesterdays result. Mildenhall will be no pushover either; in fact, I think the Fen Tigers will beat the Potters over two legs especially if Heeps is fit. With a bit of luck the matches will be held on different days so I can get to them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 They were on about this play off lark at scunny last night and if scunny pick up the max points and win the league,word was they would pick Stoke as all the scunny riders fancied getting a result at Loomer road weather not looking so good for anyone this week though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) I think it could be a very attractive and engaging end to what has been, at least as far as I am concerned, a pretty good NL season . Almost certainly Stoke, Scunny, Mildenhall & Belle Vue meaning that two of the best race tracks are also involved. Like you, I can't see Stoke picking Scunny and I don't think they will choose Belle Vue either after yesterdays result. Mildenhall will be no pushover either; in fact, I think the Fen Tigers will beat the Potters over two legs especially if Heeps is fit. With a bit of luck the matches will be held on different days so I can get to them all. It will be an interesting finish to a very good NL season from my perspective HT Personally I cannot see anyone wanting to go to Belle Vue, so I imagine it will be Stoke v Mildenhall and Scunthorpe v Belle Vue, which with the distinct possibility of a Stoke v Mildenhall KO Cup Final could mean four very hard fought meetings between the two clubs! I don't see us getting beaten up like we did last time at Stoke in the League, but feel it is hard to call who will go through to the finals. Hopefully Cameron Heeps will return and get some laps in prior to any of these forthcoming big fixtures! Edited September 5, 2011 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 To some extent I concur with what you say Parsloes, but in other ways I don't. Newport should have entertained King's Lynn (who need that meeting to be run as they still have a play-off chance)on Bank Holiday Monday, but decided to call it off at very late notice, without to the best of my knowledge, any official statement as to why. It's been rumoured that they couldn't arrange medical cover, but I don't know that for a fact. If that postponement, which is so close to the cut-off date, involves ANY club that is reliant on it taking place, so as to aid their chances of progression, then there should be a way around it. If in this case King's Lynn miss out due to the non-running of that meeting, then that's not fair, because it's not their fault that it didn't take place, they were eager for it to do so. Goodness knows what the answer is, but what looks like happening ain't it Yes I can see what you mean, MM... Would be very unfortunate if this means the KLS do miss out.. But as you say, can't really see what the solution can be... Rain offs and the like are always possible and who could really punish a side for failing to complete fixtures if that was the reason..? Mind you there once was a third term team (pre-play offs) who barely bothered to stage any home fixtures until late September and then went with 12 heat double headers to get the matches in... Wonder how they'd have coped with a mid-Sept. cut off!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 They were on about this play off lark at scunny last night and if scunny pick up the max points and win the league,word was they would pick Stoke as all the scunny riders fancied getting a result at Loomer road weather not looking so good for anyone this week though Scunny have 8 points to play for this week, Stoke have 7. Scunny need to win both away meetings and hope that Stoke drop points as they are already 5 behind us! But I still can't see them picking us, even if they did finish top! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 We'll be missing Lambo on Saturday, which won't help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Now the meeting @ Isle of Wight as been called off Stoke should finish top of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil H Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 With the league table showing that Newport still have 7 fixtures to ride before the cut off date of 11th September, and only three arranged so far (Mildenhall away tomorrow, Belle Vue away on Wednesday, and Belle Vue at home next Sunday), it looks impossible for them to fufill their fixtures so what will the outcome be for those teams that haven't met them yet, or for the teams that have and have gained points against them. Extend the cut off point?? Run two double headers on Friday and Saturday?? Expunge all of the points as if they have withdrawn from the league or what? Teams have until the end of October to complete their league fixtures. Due to the way that the system works, the cut-off won't be extended and some teams will ride more than others at that point. Fixtures like Newport's visit to Buxton don't need to be scheduled before the cut-off as neither team can make the play-offs. I'm pretty sure (without checking) that we have had a season where the final Top 4 weren't the four who contested the play-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Strange system - may be better if they did league position based on % of wins to total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Teams have until the end of October to complete their league fixtures. Due to the way that the system works, the cut-off won't be extended and some teams will ride more than others at that point. Fixtures like Newport's visit to Buxton don't need to be scheduled before the cut-off as neither team can make the play-offs. I'm pretty sure (without checking) that we have had a season where the final Top 4 weren't the four who contested the play-offs. Bit daft though when you think about it take the Newport/Young Stars meeting,The YS needed a win he To get into the play offs,Newport could have promoted this on the back of the situation,now they have a run a total dead duck of a meeting why not put the cut off date back 2 weeks,i would bet the play off wont be run until October anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil H Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Strange system - may be better if they did league position based on % of wins to total The issue with that is teams would look to complete more home meetings than away ones as they are more likely to win more and the away ones they do race will be against teams that they have a good chance of beating. Bit daft though when you think about it take the Newport/Young Stars meeting,The YS needed a win he To get into the play offs,Newport could have promoted this on the back of the situation,now they have a run a total dead duck of a meeting why not put the cut off date back 2 weeks,i would bet the play off wont be run until October anyway Thats assuming the the meeting is 'promoted'. As far as the system is concerned, the promotors have chosen to do it this way and have done so for a few season now so they must think that it works. By moving the cut-off on another 2 weeks can mean that trophies are not decided. Last season, it turned out that Buxton had 2 semi-finals and 2 finals to arrange in the last six weeks of the season and someone else could face the same this year. Buxton were exceedingly lucky with the weather but this season that such team who is in with a chance of doing 'the double' might not be so lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Imagine if it came down to scunny having to win at Hackney to get into the play offs[to knock Hackney out of them] and a small shower of rain dropped at Rye,would Len dare go for an early call off??? Funny enuff that early (very early! ) call off has apparently happened...! Though not to the Hawks' advantage..: at least I don't think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Im going to go for Stoke Scunthorpe/Sheffield Belle Vue Mildenhall I got it right Well the 4 play off teams have been decided and all those fixtures that could have been potentially costly turned out not to be thankfully. And we have ended up with the 4 strongest teams going into the Play Offs IMO. I think the following we all guessed would happen. But confirmation Stoke have chosen Midlenhall is HERE Edited September 12, 2011 by shirlmeister general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Any dates for the play-off semi-finals yet? I hope last season's lessons have been learnt in messing about and not getting on with the play-offs. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 613 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Any dates for the play-off semi-finals yet? I hope last season's lessons have been learnt in messing about and not getting on with the play-offs. All the best Rob We will hopefully have the dates for the Stoke v Mildenhall meeting later today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Stoke v Mildenhall 1st October and Mildenhall v Stoke 2nd October according to fixtures section on BSPA site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The issue with that is teams would look to complete more home meetings than away ones as they are more likely to win more and the away ones they do race will be against teams that they have a good chance of beating. But perhaps the %age could apply to each category of win - e.g if you complete 7/9 home of which 4 were >3pt wins and 2 were 2pt - you would score 3x9x4/7 + 2x9x2/7 = 20.57 (instead of 14) and you do something similar with aways. OK it's complicated but could be fairer ! Better still they start the season a bit earlier and finish the fixtures ! If they want to do a separate trophy with the top 4 - that can be a bonus ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Better still they start the season a bit earlier and finish the fixtures ! If they want to do a separate trophy with the top 4 - that can be a bonus ! or just set the cut of date at the start on the seson then at least you know what the score is,seems a half arsed way of doing it in August At least what looks like the the four strongest team are in there,will be interesting to see how the final table shows up too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyChesgire Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 or just set the cut of date at the start on the seson then at least you know what the score is,seems a half arsed way of doing it in August At least what looks like the the four strongest team are in there,will be interesting to see how the final table shows up too With only away fixtures left for Scunfield/Shefthorpe they have a potential 12 points for grabbing - which would give them victory no matter what Stoke do on 24th - but that's a big ask ! They'd need us to slip up at home, to give comfort ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Strange system - may be better if they did league position based on % of wins to total But perhaps the %age could apply to each category of win - e.g if you complete 7/9 home of which 4 were >3pt wins and 2 were 2pt - you would score 3x9x4/7 + 2x9x2/7 = 20.57 (instead of 14) and you do something similar with aways. OK it's complicated but could be fairer ! The 'Projected Points' feature of the MiniMax league tables does all of that and has been doing so ALL season to show the TRUE abilities of teams and their performances. I suggest you have a glance at the 'projected points' explanation on that page or in the MiniMax sticky at the top of this forum. It isn't predictive it calculates solely on results of matches ridden and is always on an 'as they stand today' basis. It nullifies teams trying to ride lots of home matches and calculates exactly the NINE different points scenarios of matches and extrapolates into an even number of matches (the total due to be ridden in a season) for visual and comprehension purposes. And we have ended up with the 4 strongest teams going into the Play Offs IMO. Like i mentioned above, the MiniMax tables have been showing clearly defined for a while now who the 'cream of the crop' were. Fortunately, we do indeed have the best four teams qualified. The projected points section of the MiniMax tables currently show; 43 Stoke 35 Scunthorpe/Sheffield 35 Mildenhall 35 Belle Vue 27 Hackney 25 Dudley 24 King's Lynn 18 Isle Of Wight 17 Buxton 16 Newport MiniMax League Tables Edited September 12, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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