Matt Davis Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Who says he is being charged with using the silencer in other meetings??? You cant charge on retrospect - unless there is proof to back it up. Noone, but Shovlar is suggesting that in his opinion he should be - To which to my questions were too Exactly - Although some, including Shovlar, think otherwise! A really strange way of thinking my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 With that post you accuse Ward of cheating. Not how I read it.. I read it that the question should be asked if his equipment legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Not how I read it.. I read it that the question should be asked if his equipment legal. Darcy's equipment was tested at Monmore - it was stated on Sky that in all future meetings, 2 riders from each side will be selected at random (by drawing lots) to have their equipment tested. Can't remember who the others were. Woffy and Gafurov I think + 1 other. A number of riders are now calling for all silencers to be checked before every meeting, rather than just 2 at random. Good call, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Noone, but Shovlar is suggesting that in his opinion he should be - To which to my questions were too Exactly - Although some, including Shovlar, think otherwise! A really strange way of thinking my opinion I am sure there are some posters that feel its ok to subtract all of his points and Coventry`s because they feel its appropriate. However that is, quite naturally, an absurd idea. A number of riders are now calling for all silencers to be checked before every meeting, rather than just 2 at random. Good call, I feel. If the riders have nothing to hide then that is a good call. However a more sensible approach would be to still pick 2 riders but instead of at random the examiners should keep a list (accessible to all how examine) that ensures all riders have had at least 1 check per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Darcy's equipment was tested at Monmore - it was stated on Sky that in all future meetings, 2 riders from each side will be selected at random (by drawing lots) to have their equipment tested. Can't remember who the others were. Woffy and Gafurov I think + 1 other. A number of riders are now calling for all silencers to be checked before every meeting, rather than just 2 at random. Good call, I feel. No, only the silencers were tested I think. Not all their equipment, which I think is the point the other poster was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) No, only the silencers were tested I think. Not all their equipment, which I think is the point the other poster was referring to. All bikes are checked for legality at every meeting by the now mandatory TWO machine examiners. Non conforming bikes are removed from the pits and can't be ridden in that meeting. During a meeting, refs can request the ME's to check the size of carbs immediately after usually winning a pre specified race. There are checks going on at all times during a meeting. Edited August 13, 2011 by Tsunami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Cheating has been rife in speedway for years , I have heard of riders using 600cc motors and over size carbs, have you ever wonderd why the likes of gollob and others have so much more speed. Im pretty sure an engine would be stripped and measured if a rider won the World Championship. There would be no point in cheating. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 With that post you accuse Ward of cheating. As if the little cherub ever would heaven forbid He is an Aussie dont forget, they have a history of being convicts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROAD CLOSED Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 it's a good job Kennett did'nt win the british final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Im pretty sure an engine would be stripped and measured if a rider won the World Championship. There would be no point in cheating. . . i'm not so sure about that............. start asking questions about what is tested, when, by whom, and why ...... and eyebrows start raising....... watch most prestigious motorsports and the bikes/cars are secured ready for inspection in the paddock following the racing... Speedway inspection mainly seems to involve the liberal use of a measuring tape.... a more deep rooted inspection seems to take place only after a rider has put his neck on the line not only financially £k but also with harmony amongst his fellow riders by lodging a formal complaint.................. the way that close inspection is currently setup is 1) the riders' problem... not the authorities 2) is time consuming 3) IMO discouraged by its very setup..... speedway has long preferred to sweep things under the carpet when they arise rather than making sure everything is as clean as a whistle..... and people wonder why the sport cant attract sponsors Last season Janusz Kolodziej had the top 3 in the GP challenge tested following his 4th place finish....... his desperation following his EF didnt suprise me... what did suprise me was his belief that it was a likely enough a scenario to wager £5k on.... why did he think that? It always goes down like a lead balloon on this forum when anyone suggests that foul play could be taking place..... but it doesnt take a genius to read between the lines, to study form.... and in some cases see the sheer gap between the performance and setup of some riders and others ........... I don't think that it can be stressed enough just how important it is for Speedway to cover its backside on this issue by taking control and rooting it out instead of sweeping it away ..... we all know the damage that race fixing allegations caused speedway 30 years ago..... this could be infinitely more damaging... perhaps on a par with the damage that doping has caused to cycling/tour de france... it will be generations until cycling recovers Edited August 13, 2011 by spook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 It was mentioned that he changed to King a while back. Perhaps results should bechanged from that date? If nothing is done Coventry could rompthe league, which is likely anyway, but to most fans it would be a poor hampionship side because of this. You really are unreal. You have constantly stated on here what a poor side the Bees are and now you are claiming despite the loss of Eddie that we are going to romp away with the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 You really are unreal. You have constantly stated on here what a poor side the Bees are and now you are claiming despite the loss of Eddie that we are going to romp away with the league. And on another thread he is carping on about Bees fans being arrogant about possibly winning at Swindon. He gets himself in so many knots with his constant anti-Coventry drivel. He can't even keep up with his own nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Yet another in a long line of aggressive, insulting, off topic rants ! how does this poster continually get away with it? Not sure but the only way to stop it is to report it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) With that post you accuse Ward of cheating. No, I didn't. I simply said, in 20 years of attending speedway at Monmore, nobody has been winning races by such distances, and had such speed on the straights. Not Nielsen, not Ermolenko, not Max, Not PK, not Lindgren. Edited August 13, 2011 by BWitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) All bikes are checked for legality at every meeting by the now mandatory TWO machine examiners. Non conforming bikes are removed from the pits and can't be ridden in that meeting. During a meeting, refs can request the ME's to check the size of carbs immediately after usually winning a pre specified race. There are checks going on at all times during a meeting. Which begs the questions as to how Kennett got to ride the machine in the first place and why it took 5 of his rides and one by another rider before the bike was removed from the pits? And, just to put Shovlar straight, it also points to the fact that this was the first time the silencer was used, otherwise one of the two ME's at his previous meetings would surely have noticed. No way could it have been used on 9th May because we all saw how astute Poole's ME is/are at noticing tampered-with machinery. Edited August 13, 2011 by Barney Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Which begs the questions as to how Kennett got to ride the machine in the first place and why it took 5 of his rides and one by another rider before the bike was removed from the pits? And, just to put Shovlar straight, it also points to the fact that this was the first time the silencer was used, otherwise one of the two ME's at his previous meetings would surely have noticed. No way could it have been used on 9th May because we all saw how astute Poole's ME is/are at noticing tampered-with machinery. I think it was used because the checks done by the MEs at the track could be fooled by the modifications that people were suggesting were done, it was only through a much more detailed check that the modifications could be detected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Just noticed this on an a former England rider's facebook which would appear to back up what I said about the World Cup: Everyone's silencers should been tested from day one...same as carbs are still today on bore size..34mm. I feel sorry for Eddie in a way..Its totally wrong to cheat by altering the silencers agreed but its wrong for one guy to take the rap for wot loads of others were doing..fact..they had chance to take um off now..ed didnt!! He's a good kid Is eddie..the wtc should of been checked for sure..u might find the aussies wud be champs as we speak!! Wrong is wrong at the end of the day I hope the powers that be ain't to hard on ed.. He also said (re: silencers): spoke to a well known supplier yesterday and he's doing well selling new ones....no names of course! Edited August 13, 2011 by ImpartialOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 It raises a question over everyone in the sport and is very damaging to reputations. Now any rider who did well this season has doubts placed over him! I dont believe for a second that Ed was the only one doing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnmann Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 A young man and talented rider has his life in turmoil at the moment -- we should be aware of how a lot of the comments made may have an effect on him. I hope he isn't reading the forum right now. I believe Edward has a good family and support behind him which I hope he takes comfort from. Edward appears to have a lot of integrity and is prepared to accept his punishment. I look forward to seeing Edward ride again for a British team soon. Why do so many people appear to be rubbing their hands over his mistake? If you are reading the forum Edward --- chin up ---- you are thought a lot of. Fliss 44 - I agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Fliss 44 - I agree with you If Eddie was to read this thread he'd realize there are many people who want to see him receive the minimum punishment and to be back riding asap. it's only the sad spiteful few who want to see his career destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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