peatbog Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) I cant remember a coventry rider missing two meetings because they were tired If you are refering to Chris Holder, yes he stated he was tired but he also has a hand injury. Tiredness can be a medical problem, I suffered from a problem called "Sleep Apnia", I am not saying that Chris has this but I had to give up driving for a few years. The same would apply to a Speedway rider. Apart from that, if you were driving on a motorway and a truck crashed into you because the driver was tired you could be hurt or worse, the same applies to Speedway, other riders could get injured. This thread is about a silencer issue, please stop harping on about Holder. And for your info I am not a Poole supporter. NB: The part above about motorway driving only applies to you if you are old enough to drive. Edited August 11, 2011 by peatbog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 It's also GP week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) If nothing is done Coventry could rompthe league, which is likely anyway, but to most fans it would be a poor hampionship side because of this. so that would be 2011 tainted, 2010, we all know the real winners were Poole. 2007 any comments about that? 2005, actually you can leave out comments about 05 as Belle \Vue fans have said enough about that one.... Edited August 11, 2011 by Sir Jasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 If you are refering to Chris Holder, yes he stated he was tired but he also has a hand injury. A hand injury that will be fine this time tomorrow ! quite a few gp riders seem to have 24/48 hour injuries prior to grand prix's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 If you are refering to Chris Holder, yes he stated he was tired but he also has a hand injury. Tiredness can be a medical problem, I suffered from a problem called "Sleep Apnia", I am not saying that Chris has this but I had to give up driving for a few years. The same would apply to a Speedway rider. Apart from that, if you were driving on a motorway and a truck crashed into you because the driver was tired you could be hurt or worse, the same applies to Speedway, other riders could get injured. This thread is about a silencer issue, please stop harping on about Holder. And for your info I am not a Poole supporter. NB: The part above about motorway driving only applies to you if you are old enough to drive. Maybe i should start a new topic as poole and tiredness seems to be contagious this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Ha I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 For once in my life I find myself in the very rare position of agreeing with Mr Shovlar. If Eddie is found guilty at the tribunal then I would find it very hard to believe that his offence at Lakeside was his first breach of the regulations this season. As such the only sensible course to maintain the integrity of the 2011 Elite League would be to remove his points from all previous meetings raced. Cheating has to be removed from our sport and so the maximum deterrent applied in this case. This isn't about Coventry v Poole, it's about fair play and if all of Eddie's previous points remain intact then the league is a sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 For once in my life I find myself in the very rare position of agreeing with Mr Shovlar. If Eddie is found guilty at the tribunal then I would find it very hard to believe that his offence at Lakeside was his first breach of the regulations this season. As such the only sensible course to maintain the integrity of the 2011 Elite League would be to remove his points from all previous meetings raced. Cheating has to be removed from our sport and so the maximum deterrent applied in this case. This isn't about Coventry v Poole, it's about fair play and if all of Eddie's previous points remain intact then the league is a sham. Everything is about coventry and poole where mr shovlar is concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennytheball Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) Maybe i should start a new topic as poole and tiredness seems to be contagious this time of the year. I'm sure that it was mentioned on Sky on Monday that Holder was tired and over comitted, think they said he planned 13 meetings in as many nights. Poorly organised or greedy? Edited August 11, 2011 by bennytheball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennytheball Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 For once in my life I find myself in the very rare position of agreeing with Mr Shovlar. If Eddie is found guilty at the tribunal then I would find it very hard to believe that his offence at Lakeside was his first breach of the regulations this season. As such the only sensible course to maintain the integrity of the 2011 Elite League would be to remove his points from all previous meetings raced. Cheating has to be removed from our sport and so the maximum deterrent applied in this case. This isn't about Coventry v Poole, it's about fair play and if all of Eddie's previous points remain intact then the league is a sham. Surely next Tuesday's hearing will only deal with the specific meeting and offence? Unless Kennett admits to using the silencer previosly it is unlikely that previous meetings will be affected. it seems unrealistic that every meeting can be reviewed, especially as it would be Kennett's points removed not heats adjusted. It will also penalise him, to leave him with his current average which will be higher than at the start of the season, and make him less attractive when team building following any ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 For once in my life I find myself in the very rare position of agreeing with Mr Shovlar. If Eddie is found guilty at the tribunal then I would find it very hard to believe that his offence at Lakeside was his first breach of the regulations this season. As such the only sensible course to maintain the integrity of the 2011 Elite League would be to remove his points from all previous meetings raced. Cheating has to be removed from our sport and so the maximum deterrent applied in this case. This isn't about Coventry v Poole, it's about fair play and if all of Eddie's previous points remain intact then the league is a sham. I don't think it matters whether this is his first breach of the regs this season or not.. If he hadn't been caught he would certainly have carried on using the silencer for the indefinite future including the play-offs if Coventry get there, so clearly the silencer was going to be used over a number of future matches irrespective of whether it had been used in the past. The only real issue, it seems is whether the buck stops with him or whether there is any mitigation the argument that he didn't actually know that one of his mechanics did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 So you'll only accept the truth if it fits your opinion? Not at all. I evaluate what has been said and in this instance I find it more probable than not that this was not the first time the silencer had been used. If there was evidence that the silencer had only been purchased immediately prior to the Lakeside match then that would be convincing. The evidence of the sacked team member would not. What I do accept is that he should only be punished for what can be proved and it may be difficult to prove other than what he admits, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) Not at all. I evaluate what has been said and in this instance I find it more probable than not that this was not the first time the silencer had been used. If there was evidence that the silencer had only been purchased immediately prior to the Lakeside match then that would be convincing. The evidence of the sacked team member would not. What I do accept is that he should only be punished for what can be proved and it may be difficult to prove other than what he admits, reasonable and considered. Fancy giving lessons to some others? So Kasprzak has turned up with two new silencers at Perry Barr tonight - what a strange coincidence! Edited August 11, 2011 by alan_boon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Question - Has Kennett made things worse for himself by standing down at Coventry????? Now, he has no team and his sentencing (what ever it's called) is on Tuesday. I'm concerned for him that the board may deliver a suspended ban until he's declared in a team. Is that possible / likely???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Question - Has Kennett made things worse for himself by standing down at Coventry????? Now, he has no team and his sentencing (what ever it's called) is on Tuesday. I'm concerned for him that the board may deliver a suspended ban until he's declared in a team. Is that possible / likely???????? They'd have no power to do so on a time basis. They could, theoretically, give him a match-based ban, but that would be silly. Oh yeah, it's the SCB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 [quote The only real issue, it seems is whether the buck stops with him or whether there is any mitigation the argument that he didn't actually know that one of his mechanics did it. Innocent until proved guilty of course, but come on guys what are you saying. If one of my mechanics has altered anything on my race car before clearing it with me, no matter how small, he would have been down the road (most probably just after I had punched his lights out if it was a major rule bender!) My car, my licence, my money, my responsibilty, end of !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 If he hadn't been caught he would certainly have carried on using the silencer for the indefinite future including the play-offs if Coventry get there You base this assumption on what exactly? ever considered his mechanic made the adjustment just because he had to endure the east London trick track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 That makes it sound like you are saying its a lesser offence because they were incompetant at cheating! It doesnt matter if the modification gave him an advantage or not 9something that is surely open to personal opinion anyhow?) Cheating is cheating and should be treated in the same way whether a succesful 'cheat' or not. Im not a Kennett fan but I think he is handling this the right way. I think there should be a ban handed out but lets not go over the top. I think everyone should be given one chance, it is still remotely possible that it was an innocent error after all, that he honestly didnt know about it and frankly none of us will ever know. SO give him the ban to the end of the season, acknowledge the fact he appears to be standing up and accepting he has to take responsibility for it then start next season afresh. Add in a suspended sentence if you must - make it a long term if they want. Should it happen again throw the book at him but for now lets give him a chance to learn from the experience A very balanced and fair judgement!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 The silencers were not used in the EL last season. Strictly speaking that isnt true. They were used in the early weeks of the season until riders complained and it got deferred till this season. Tiredness can be a medical problem, I suffered from a problem called "Sleep Apnia", It`s sleep APNOEA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 If you are refering to Chris Holder, yes he stated he was tired but he also has a hand injury. Tiredness can be a medical problem, I suffered from a problem called "Sleep Apnia", I am not saying that Chris has this but I had to give up driving for a few years. The same would apply to a Speedway rider. Apart from that, if you were driving on a motorway and a truck crashed into you because the driver was tired you could be hurt or worse, the same applies to Speedway, other riders could get injured. This thread is about a silencer issue, please stop harping on about Holder. And for your info I am not a Poole supporter. NB: The part above about motorway driving only applies to you if you are old enough to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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