MFE Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 The only person who isnt and shouldnt be proud this morning is Ed himself. It isnt like any of the forum users encouraged him or his team to cheat. Lets keep it real who is the guilty party - certainly not forum users who are responding to the FACTS as we know them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Kennett says he was unaware and holder says he was injured last night these are the facts, personally i can't differentiate between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 As Wendy says his average from the start of this season should be used if not it will open up a can of worms. Example. Next season Eastbourne could give timo a bike with an oversized engine get him banging in max's when he is caught get him to resign and replace him with gollob. With all due respect, that's rubbish. If you can prove he was riding an illegal bike all season then I'm sure the SCB would like to hear from you. As it is, you - or anybody else- can't. And Eastbourne doing that would mean Bob paying out money, never gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) No, the bloke has cheated. I am not interested with regard to his nationality or his club. Whether he rode with it in 1 meeting or all season. The rules have been transgressed. That is why we have rules/laws in life and there are consequences where these are broken. This can be proved unlike average manipulation or any other type of cheating that has possibly gone on over the years. Whoever is responsible, be it the mechanic or Team Kennett buck stops with Eddie. I would like to think Kennett will not be lost to the sport, which is a good thing. He is a talented rider, however, he needs to be made an example of and heavier bans should be dished out for riders subsequently caught out. Cheats should not prosper. You obviously mean 'provable cheats should not prosper'. Any cheating is cheating. Whether provable or not, the cheat knows he's cheating and that's the important thing. Kennett's transgression is 'provable' because he's a rider. Average manipulation, guests/RR for riders missing because it helps a team's prospects in given matches is down to promoters and that isn't 'provable' - most do it so they prefer to overlook it (or find it 'not proven' when they sit in judgement on one of their own). Edited August 11, 2011 by Vincent Blackshadow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFE Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 What a load of self righteous pompous arses there are on this forum, so keen to land a keyboard club vs club knock, they post aggressive false drivel before any of the facts are proven, giving no thought or consideration to any rider (its Ed on this occassion) feelings or possible innocence. Why not discuss the sadness of possibly losing one of the brightest stars UK have looked like producing in years, or will this lift your comments to that of normal rational people - its always the same childlike idiots also, and its damned annoying, grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Kennett says he was unaware and holder says he was injured last night these are the facts, personally i can't differentiate between the two. You are really comparing a rider injured (didnt ride in Sweden or England this week - and had 3 falls Monday) to a rider caught cheating?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Very surprised about this, perhaps he was given an indication that Tuesday's hearing wasn't going to go well - unsurprising given the constituency of the SCB committee. @Aces51 - would you be impressed by his integrity if he confirmed that Lakeside was the only meeting that silencer was used in? No. My experience of life tells me that he would be extremely unfortunate if he was caught the first time he used it. I also witnessed his jet propelled starts at BV earlier that same week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 no ones saying he ahsnt cheated, however do really think he was the only one? your living in a dream world neo if you think so the sanction has to be hard but fair, knowing that other riders were doing the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 As my sister is engaged to one of eds friends and spanner man on occasions then I might know more then u think I do. Well then it's your duty to report it. Unless you're willing to do so, then you really should accept the facts as they are, not what you want them to be. No. My experience of life tells me that he would be extremely unfortunate if he was caught the first time he used it. I also witnessed his jet propelled starts at BV earlier that same week. So you'll only accept the truth if it fits your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropWolf Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Ed has done the right thing and he will take his punishment but what about Kasprazak if he has been caught with 2 illegal silencers then he should also be banned. Very strange his form has just improved???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Also @josietoms - someone ought to 'phone Kennett and let him know one of his friends is telling tales on him. Yes, someone should. Hope it doesn't get anyone in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 What a load of self righteous pompous arses there are on this forum, so keen to land a keyboard club vs club knock, they post aggressive false drivel before any of the facts are proven, giving no thought or consideration to any rider (its Ed on this occassion) feelings or possible innocence. Why not discuss the sadness of possibly losing one of the brightest stars UK have looked like producing in years, or will this lift your comments to that of normal rational people - its always the same childlike idiots also, and its damned annoying, grow up! Did not Eddie accept the finding in his earlier statement thus showing his guilt,I sincerely hope that Eddie uses this as a learning curve in his career and returns a better more learned rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Spot On, not sure why everyone claims there is mass cheating. At least a dozen riders have passed tests so far, so even if it was a fair sample it would be less than 10%. Of course they've passed. Anyone who continues to use drilled silencers after this is just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 The only person who isnt and shouldnt be proud this morning is Ed himself. It isnt like any of the forum users encouraged him or his team to cheat. Lets keep it real who is the guilty party - certainly not forum users who are responding to the FACTS as we know them. Very well said. As Wendy says his average from the start of this season should be used if not it will open up a can of worms. Example. Next season Eastbourne could give timo a bike with an oversized engine get him banging in max's when he is caught get him to resign and replace him with gollob. Its not that simple though, its not ideal, but I think all they can do is remove the points from his visit to Lakeside. Ed has done the right thing and he will take his punishment but what about Kasprazak if he has been caught with 2 illegal silencers then he should also be banned. Very strange his form has just improved???? Yes I agree, something does need to be done, using the athletics / performance enhancing drugs analogy this is akin to missing a test which also carries a stiff sentence. I presume the Swedish authorities can only ban him from riding in Sweden and it would have to be the Polish federation or FIM to ban him worldwide As for Tedward, through taking this action I think he has managed to obtain at least one ounce of integrity. Its the correct thing to do for himself the club and more importantly the sport, once he has done his time then he should be allowed back into the sport if he chooses to return, personally I think they are looking to ban him for the 2 years, which I dont think anybody can really complain. I also presume the SCB have the power to ban him from worldwide competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 As for Tedward, through taking this action I think he has managed to obtain at least one ounce of integrity. Its the correct thing to do for himself the club and more importantly the sport, once he has done his time then he should be allowed back into the sport if he chooses to return, personally I think they are looking to ban him for the 2 years, which I dont think anybody can really complain. I also presume the SCB have the power to ban him from worldwide competition? Really 2 years? Wow! I've got to say that that seems harsh. I don't condone cheating but 2 years seems too much to me, particularly when you look at the Leon Madsen case last year. I know it would certainly act as a deterrent, but 2 years out will likely end his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I wish people would stop banging on about removing his points from meetings other than the Lakeside debacle. None of the clubs racing against him rode under protest, and no machine examiner picked up on any wrong doing. If none of the other machine examiners in the country know what they're are looking for, then the Lakeside examiner needs to chair some sort of meeting to bring everyone up to speed! I can only assume that KK and his team had been on holiday over the weekend and not read the speedway press, as only a complete clown would wheel a couple of bikes into the pits fitted with drilled silencers after what had ocurred on Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Really 2 years? Wow! I've got to say that that seems harsh. I don't condone cheating but 2 years seems too much to me, particularly when you look at the Leon Madsen case last year. I know it would certainly act as a deterrent, but 2 years out will likely end his career. It's way over the top. Riders have only received one year bans for taking drugs which in my view is far more serious. Anything more than a ban for this season is out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Really 2 years? Wow! I've got to say that that seems harsh. I don't condone cheating but 2 years seems too much to me, particularly when you look at the Leon Madsen case last year. I know it would certainly act as a deterrent, but 2 years out will likely end his career. It's way over the top. Riders have only received one year bans for taking drugs which in my view is far more serious. Anything more than a ban for this season is out of proportion. According to a press report he could be banned for up to 2 years, I didn't say I would ban him for that amount of time. Personally I think Madsen got away with it and quite possibly a few riders then thought it was definitely worth taking a risk. I do think they will ban him for longer than the remainder of this season though, perhaps a years ban, or 9 months to make it harder for him to return in mid season. Perhaps this soort of stuff should be handled by the FIM, take it away from the local organisation's so there can be no comeback for federations being accused of looking after one of their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisag Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) It's way over the top. Riders have only received one year bans for taking drugs which in my view is far more serious. Anything more than a ban for this season is out of proportion. At last someone talking some sense, the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. If he's done it i'm sure he will be the bigger person and admit it, but lets face it he's not the first rider to have possibly done it and will most definately not be the last! At least he's not taking illegal substances and getting on his bike, risking the lives of every other rider out there with him Edited August 11, 2011 by lisag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 First of all I am not suggesting he is guilty, but his words in the statements lead me to suspect he knew something about what was going on. However, guilt aside, if we assume he is guilty how does a ban serve to help anyone? It won't help Eddie, or the fans being deprived of a good British rider. Maybe if as some have suggested this is widespread within the sport, those in charge make it clear what the punishment is for future misconduct, i.e,. 1 month ban or whatever, but for now issues an amnesty for all previous offences. If Eddie is in the minority he does need to be punished, but I don't see how a ban helps anyone. What about some kind of speedway community service for a year, he has to work with the BSPA to promote the sport, go into schools etc weekly. Or if it is legally allowed, a percentage of his earnings from British Speedway is donated to charities voted on by the fans. I don't know what the punishment should be, but a lengthy ban serves no purpose to the sport or Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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