SCB Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 But Coventry' own statement call it an "unacceptable demeanour". That sounds like something more serious than simply welding up broken bracket. That may be the case and if it is, as I said on page 1, I'd want him sacked. If Ed in anyway gained from the "modified or tampered" then I will not in any way support him or justify his actions. If it turns out it was a non-perfmance enhancing "modification" and he's just be stupid while still not being happy, I would at least see it as some sort of mitigation. Remember, up to now it's only an external check thats been done, it's possible inside nothing has changed. It could be argued welding a damaged part is not modifying it, modifying means to change from original. That means any dents from crashes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmac11 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 All we can be absolutely sure of is that Coventry & Kennett accept that there is something wrong with Kennett's silencer, and that Kennett - as the rider - has to be responsible for that. The full facts will emerge, I'm sure. Will we ever get to know the full facts? Just like the Coventry/Peterborough winter fiasco, the full facts were never published. In football if there's an issue it's discussed fully on TV with no stone left unturned to find out the full facts. In speedway the comentators just mention it and then say we don't want to discuss the matter. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 When are we likely to know when the tribunal is, will it be this week, as he's only been suspended for 7 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 That may be the case and if it is, as I said on page 1, I'd want him sacked. If Ed in anyway gained from the "modified or tampered" then I will not in any way support him or justify his actions. If it turns out it was a non-perfmance enhancing "modification" and he's just be stupid while still not being happy, I would at least see it as some sort of mitigation. Remember, up to now it's only an external check thats been done, it's possible inside nothing has changed. It could be argued welding a damaged part is not modifying it, modifying means to change from original. That means any dents from crashes too. Good post, however if its only an external check why have his points been removed? Let us not be too quick to plunge the sword into Kennett here and all stand on our whiter than white (or ivory) pedestals. Since the first days of motorsport competitors, tuners, engine builders’ et al have always been looking for ways to get an extra hundredth or thousandth of a second advantage over their fellow competitors. This is, more often than not, achieved by 'expanding upon' the regulations and definitions of the rules laid down by the relevant governing body. Whether this be by using a new type of 'slippery' polish to allow their vehicle, or even leathers, to have less drag through the air, by drilling a hole or two in their sprocket to remove an extra ounce of weight or, far more sophisticated, creating a vehicle which lowers itself at race speed but then magically 'springs' back to a legal height for scrutineering. Now, on the basis that the preliminary findings regarding Kennett's exhaust leave little or no room for doubt regarding the illegality of the part, I would simply venture that the guy (or his team) has simply been more stupid than most when searching for that miniscule advantage - I believe the advantage Kennett would have achieved with this 'amendment' was when the engine was loading from a no-load situation, i.e. as the engine attempted to reach maximum revs from a null load at the tapes; this being the time when better scavenging of the exhaust gasses reduces the strain on the crank/rod/piston thereby increasing the acceleration capabilities of the engine. Maybe we should ask ourselves how some tuners get an engine to run faster than another? How some riders consistently manage to get incredible starts virtually every time, where others get consistently bad starts...yes, some riders are more 'natural' starters than others, but have you ever wondered about clutch friction plates...? Have you seen what they can look like AFTER a race, funny how some are in a LOT worse condition than others with 'strange' angles on the tabs (Obviously just down to deterioration due to high engine revs. Right, yes, quite obviously!) Kennett has been silly, Kennett has been caught, Kennett will now (rightly) be reprimanded and, quite probably, be made an example of. But I guarantee you he will not be the last and I would be pretty certain that right now that there are a lot of other guys out there now who are sat there wondering how long it will be before their own little 'amendments' may be recognised! Some 'amendments' are clever, some, in there way, not illegal but then not actually legal either...and then some are just plain stupid due to their obviousness - Kennett! Finally, and perhaps even a little more disturbing for me. Am I right in believing that Coventry also issued an official complaint against some Lakeside riders regarding Silencers? If so, why? I find this a little concerning as it is a recognised human trait to counter an accusation with an immediate counter-accusation/defence when being faced with an accusation of which one knows they are guilty; "Why did you hit him, Johnny?", "It wasn't me. He hit me first" etc. Did certain other people within the Coventry camp know about or even, at the least, have any reservations about the Kennett situation? Why would they (Coventry) issue an official complaint against Lakeside riders when, not only was there nothing wrong with their (Lakeside's) exhausts but in fact, there were not even any reasonable grounds upon which to base this complaint....unless a last minute and very unsubtle (read: diversionary) smokescreen was being attempted? Further, neither does this action of the evenings immediate counter claim sit right with the subsequent Coventry Promotion's statement of, "...We would also like to thank the licenced officials at Lakeside for bringing the matter to the referee’s attention, and for dealing with it in a professional manner." Strange.... Very informative, the Bees did indeed protest as they were obviously very sure no such things had gone on, and thought if anything was found to be irregular then other irregularities would be found. One thing that still bugs me, we are led to believe that there was initially a complaint about Fisher, then Pawlicki and then finally Kennett.... its all a bit odd. Has there been a recent clarification of rules? has anything changed technically recently, has he been caught out by a change of wording in the rules? Last night and this morning I was very disappointed in the seemingly dishonest actions of Kennett however I think we at least ought to hear his side of the story first of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Yes. The bracket snaps off, you weld it back on... You get a crack somewhere after a crash, you weld it up. That just two examples I can think of. Just because it's no longer standard, doesn't mean there is any gain. Hopefully for Eddie's sake, at a later date we'll learn that is the case. We'll still lose the points but at least Eddie won't be a cheat, just a very silly boy. If your brake light stops working on your car what are you gaining? Nothing, but it's still technically illegal. There is another way of tampering with them internally to gain advantage without taking them apart. Don't be fooled into thinking this is just a broken bracket rewelded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnoone Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Shame Nicholls or Harris haven't dropped their averages enough to swap with Kennett. Schlein? Nicholls has been trying to ruduce his average this year quite successfully along with some other Swindon riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomo1 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 .....and lets not be fooled into thinking that Kennett, or Kennett's mechanics are the only ones trying to find an advantage with their machines!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahLapworth Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Well this explains Kennett's recent run of good form then. As a Coventry supporter I feel the actions of Kennett has tarnished the club and after the winter of uncertainty we had we don't need any more negative press. Cheating is wrong in any sport and its not just the fan's he has cheated but his club, his team mates and his fellow riders. As other's have stated on here Eddie is probably not the only one doing this and a rider I look after knows of at least one other English rider who is doing the same but obviously he won't name names as it would be wrong to do so without 100% proof. I believe Kennett should be made an example of. I know some will say he will learn from this and move on but we should send a message out to others that this sort of cheating will not be accepted. Coventry have done the right thing in stripping him of the captaincy but personally if I was Mr Sandhu I would sack him there and then for bringing shame on the club. We do have Hans Andersen to replace him. cheats never prosper Kelvin Lapworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 If Eddie is guilty, its a great shame for the lad, always liked the way he rode. If found guilty, his points gained from this silencer, which he recently changed to, should be looked at and the points taken away from him, all winnings returned to the club and be banned for life. lmao, get a grip. This is motorsport. This goes on at every level in every competition in the world, including the big ones like Formula One and Nascar. Teams are always getting fined and crew chiefs suspended in Nascar for running with an illegal car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I would also like to point out that this is the ideal time for the BSPA / SCB to crack down on this sort of behaviour, Nicholls plus a few other riders seem to think its quite rife, these riders now have a duty speak out to the SCB letting them know of their concerns, no point in them keeping schtum otherwise riders will continue to cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 But Coventry' own statement call it an "unacceptable demeanour". That sounds like something more serious than simply welding up broken bracket. And it could be damage limitation saying let's drop it and move on. Coventry have had their share of controversy over the Winter. If repairs are permitted I can remember an old trick on rally cars. You couldn't strengthen the door pillars but you could weld it up if it broke. So what do you do when your weak pillar is in two pieces? It's not all bad news. He has made the middle of the results page of the Daily Mail so any publicity is better than none IMVVHO The first time since Bomber winning the 2007 British GP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 However, what scope now for "cup-in-hand" and replacing Eddie with Hans ? Could just be a blessing in disguise ! You wouldnt be able to replace Eddie with Hans anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzatopfuel Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 consider this, Edward is probably one of the most gifted and professional riders in BL, his equipment is always immaculate, except for that stupid silencer coating which discolors after no time. being the perfectionist he is he had it coated with a heat resistant at his own expense. Purely aesthetics, no cheating, nothing but making his kit look better. Also, he thought he did get permission ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little-End Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 SIMPLY isn't feasible to noise test every silencer at every meeting ... costly, time-consuming and a major problem of all these tests anyway is that the same silencer will give a different reading at different venues, depending on a number of factors including wind, surrounding buildings, ambient background noise, etc. That is why silencers have to be homologated to ensure that they are manufactured to a certain standard in a particular way. It was done on a Regular basis under the old FIM World Chmapionships , maybe it does need to be brought back ? , There could be a Std test against a Decibel Meter and maybe 3 Riders randomly from Both Teams have both Bikes (or 3) Tested , you could have a plus/minus figure they have to achieve Remember the problems we had when the Tyres changed mid 90`s where Riders were softening Tyres beyond belief , Yes I realise it does`nt take long to Test a Tyre with a Gauge , But that seems to have disappeared now Tyres are allocated at the Track for EL Meetings ...... Maybe that it the way forward You are allocated KIng or DEP Silencers before a Meeting then remove them after the Racing 10 minute job for 2 Bikes ??? Lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 consider this, Edward is probably one of the most gifted and professional riders in BL, his equipment is always immaculate, except for that stupid silencer coating which discolors after no time. being the perfectionist he is he had it coated with a heat resistant at his own expense. Purely aesthetics, no cheating, nothing but making his kit look better. Also, he thought he did get permission ! dont think this has anything to do with external allterations did the scb statement not say david king dismantled the 6 silencers and found 1 to have been modified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 dont think this has anything to do with external allterations did the scb statement not say david king dismantled the 6 silencers and found 1 to have been modified It said examined , not disamantled , kennets will be dismantled today to show what has actually been tampered with , the new silencers are welded together and cannot just be dismantled, to take one apart needs proper workshop facilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Yes we should wait to see what he's got to say, im not saying sack him now. If he admits it he will not have a leg to stand on and should be rightly sacked. Going by what other rider's are saying on twitter it seems to be widespread, what dont they pass on the names of riders they suspect and then the relevant people can do random checks! random chack all you want now, you won't find anything other than a huge pile of orders on Dave Kings desk for new exhausts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 That may be the case and if it is, as I said on page 1, I'd want him sacked. If Ed in anyway gained from the "modified or tampered" then I will not in any way support him or justify his actions. If it turns out it was a non-perfmance enhancing "modification" and he's just be stupid while still not being happy, I would at least see it as some sort of mitigation. Remember, up to now it's only an external check thats been done, it's possible inside nothing has changed. It could be argued welding a damaged part is not modifying it, modifying means to change from original. That means any dents from crashes too. How do you know its only an external check ? If it was only an external check surely it could have been done at the track without needing to go back to the factory. Obviously the factory must have some equipment to test their own designs and the silencers they produce in order to certify them, and presumably they can show that Ed's silencer was performing differently to when it was manufactured (and they can check this from the serial number that all silencers have stamped on them). Clearly some people have found ways to tamper with silencers because other riders have publicly said it goes on. Lets say for the sake of example that someone has found a way to drill some extra holes in the baffles by getting a drill in the end of the silencer. That may not be obvious on visual examination from the outside but would show up on a factory test. As for dents from crashes I am not 100% sure but I am fairly sure that a dented silencer would be rejected by the machine examiner. Maybe someone can confirm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Finally, and perhaps even a little more disturbing for me. Am I right in believing that Coventry also issued an official complaint against some Lakeside riders regarding Silencers? If so, why? I hope/like to think it was an angry reaction in disbelief that their captain wouldv'e done something like this, nothing more than a defensive human reaction. I do believe they've handled themselves quite well since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 consider this, Edward is probably one of the most gifted and professional riders in BL, his equipment is always immaculate, except for that stupid silencer coating which discolors after no time. being the perfectionist he is he had it coated with a heat resistant at his own expense. Purely aesthetics, no cheating, nothing but making his kit look better. Also, he thought he did get permission ! Are you saying that is what has happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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