NOBBY Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Surely all an "adequate replacement" needs to be is someone with a bike thats not illegal. If thats some 16 year old kid who gets lapped then thats what it takes. I'd prefer to lose legally than win illegally. Respect to you and anyone who agrees with this. I hope this will also act as a lesson to any other riders who might be doing something along these lines or thinking about it !!!! I doubt any sport is squeaky claen, but lets at least try to keep our sport as claen as possible. More stringent checks may now bw the order of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 As I understand it the inspection was of the exterior of the silencer. I believe the silencer will now be taken back to Dave King's premises and he will check out the interior of the silencer to see what exactly that tampering entails. If that were the situation then surely the case isn't proven until Mr. King has COMPLETED his findings, in which case even Coventry wouldn't have put out the statement that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 to be honest. this is what happens when the BSPA bring in stupid rule changes i.e new silencers. BSPA and the majority of fans dont realise the amount of money riders are losing out on the actions of BSPA. For example having to buy brand new silencers for each bike and then getting your engines tuned to suit them. Also just wondering, if the silencer EDD has used dosent exceed the sound limit or whatever, should it be illegal?? its just like tuning an engine. The BSPA had to bring in the new silencers under the direction of the FIM the motorcycle world governing body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew2 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The machine examiners aparently spotted the issue, then reported it a few races in. At that point Eddie would have known he was busted and changed it surely, only a complete fool would continue using something they knew was illegal and knowing full well what the resulting action could be. Possibly my rose tinted glasses as a Coventry fan but there must be more to this. I can't believe that Kennett knew what was going on as if he was aware of a problem with his silencer after ht7 and knew he had been busted then surely his last three rides would have been affected by the knowledge that he had been found out. By winning his last three races I feel that he knew nothing about any tampering to his silencer and although I know nothing about the mechanics of it all, would the extra heat generated by them maybe cause things to break down internally after a period of time? One thing is for sure Kasprzak, Nicholls and Stead certainly haven't tampered with them going by the results so far this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little kelv Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Cheating has been rife in speedway for years , I have heard of riders using 600cc motors and over size carbs, have you ever wonderd why the likes of gollob and others have so much more speed. I know its wrong but there are a few riders out there cheating. It will be interesting to see how many riders sudenly have a dip in in their averages as we get to the tail end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 AFTER 50 years in journalism I can assure you that I am not naive about the laws of libel. Private Eye and TV's Have I Got News For You frequently get away with libel/slander because quite often those in the firing line are not prepared to take action. But Private Eye also have a long record of losing libel cases against those who have been prepared to go along the legal route. I repeat, if Speedway Star had printed such comments we would have been bombarded by writs, not least from Buildbase. "Violins" If you cannot hack banter and rivalry fan-ship on a forum and get upset over remarks then really you should move on, I have seen things 100 times worse on a Football forum infact on a lot of Sporting forums. Steve is a decent guy and he likes a wind u but what rival fans don't its they way it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Hypothetically, let's say that Eddie said, "It appears my mechanic did something without me knowing. I've dismissed him and will never use him again. He's admniited this to the SCB, and assures them this was the first time it's happened. I accept that, as the rider, I should have checked my machine, and I will do so in future." What would you say? Either he has a good lawyer and has been well schooled or he is a very naive speedway rider. Either way the buck stops with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 I love this - "dismissal if Rosco can find an adequate replacement" Whatever happened to the sense of moral outrage? I really hope that the disciplinary reveals it was more of a mistake than deliberate cheating. The whole affair is very unfortunate - I feel sorry for Coventry, Edward & our sport. Once the full facts and context are known any further punishment should be appropriate and reasonable and fit the crime whether or not "Rosco can find an adequate replacement." I feel sorry for the riders he's been beating and reducing their earnings in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 So will Eddie be riding for Eastbourne, Poole or Lakeside next year. As if Lakeside would want to associate themselves with him and as if he would want to ride for the Hammers given what he allegedly tried to do last night ???? Can't really see the point of your post little Un !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Maybe now with Oxford gone Coventry can replace Bees with the name Cheetahs I like it the Coventry Buildbase Cheetahs. Oxford Gone ? have I missed something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesfan81 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) I can't believe that Kennett knew what was going on as if he was aware of a problem with his silencer after ht7 and knew he had been busted then surely his last three rides would have been affected by the knowledge that he had been found out. By winning his last three races I feel that he knew nothing about any tampering to his silencer and although I know nothing about the mechanics of it all, would the extra heat generated by them maybe cause things to break down internally after a period of time? One thing is for sure Kasprzak, Nicholls and Stead certainly haven't tampered with them going by the results so far this season! That was what i was suggesting, possibly didn't make it clear enough. Just to make myself 100% clear - Until Eddie admits or is proven to be knowingly CHEATING I will support him and cheer him as a Coventry Bees rider, if admitted or proven however he (the same as anyone cheating in any way) should be punished severely. Edited August 7, 2011 by beesfan81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The BSPA had to bring in the new silencers under the direction of the FIM the motorcycle world governing body. No , they could of stuck with the Poles and said ```` off to the Fim. Unlucky for Ed that he was the first one to get caught. Riders have been cheating since the sport stated so why the big uproar. Are the fans that stupid or ignorant that they believe everyone sticks by the rules? the biggest cheats in the sport are usually the more successful promoters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Personally think by the wording in Coventrys statement Eddie will be on his bike as soon as the control board have dealt with him . Rosco will have been lining one or two new recruits up today, It could be a blessing in disguise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) Went home last night very very disappointed with the performance of most of the Lakeside riders in a crucial crucial match in the play off race, but massively impressed by the performances of Coventry and especially Pawlicki, Morris and Kennett, who I thought thoroughly deserved their win. Also enjoyed watching Emil, no surprise that he hasn't mastered Arena, yet.... Still massively impressed by Pawlicki and Nick Morris, regardless of Heat 12 he still rode the track better than most of our team. Really really disappointed with Kennett though. There was I saying last night that "this is the best I'd seen him ride here"! He needs to be punished, if only to set an example and discourage others that may be tempted. Hope there's a future for him in Britain. I have to say that I was wondering how Coventry would respond, and massive massive credit to them for their statement, particularly for their comments on the examiners, and the fans of both clubs, and credit for the action they've already taken. Have to say the Bees management has gone up in my estimation considerably. Especially considering that the 't1t for tat' counter protest against three Lakeside riders silencers has cost them their £500 payment to lodge the protest now that the Hammers riders have been exonerated !!! Will that be paid by Sadhu, Pratt, Rosco or petty cash I wonder ??? Edited August 7, 2011 by NOBBY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew2 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 That was what i was suggesting, possibly didn't make it clear enough. Just to make myself 100% clear - Until Eddie admits or is proven to be knowingly CHEATING I will support him and cheer him, if admitted or proven however he (the same as anyone cheating in any way) should be punished severely. Never been a fan of Eddie until this season when he has come on leaps and bounds, hopefully legally. He will be innocent until he admits any knowing of what was happening in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 this is the fault of all the idiots at the FIM ,they created this situation ,i suppose they didnt see this coming did they ? ,oh yes they did ,the truth is they dont give a rubbish cause they have already had their moneys worth of the silencers,eddies not the only one ,he,s just the one who,s got caught, still we got the briggo dirt (money scam)deflector issue to look forward to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew2 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Personally think by the wording in Coventrys statement Eddie will be on his bike as soon as the control board have dealt with him . Rosco will have been lining one or two new recruits up today, It could be a blessing in disguise Not quite sure how you see it as a blessing in disguise by getting rid of your best rider and trying to replace him at this stage of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psymon Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 I believe usual method of checking these things between races is looking for abnormal discolouration of the chrome. I don't fully understand it myself but people who are examining bikes at every meeting look out for certain give-away signs on the chrome which might indicate something different about the way the gases are going through the silencer. I don't think its a fool-proof test but it raises suspicions. Like a lot of things in life people who are doing a job all the time notice things or get a feel for things that other people don't. All this raises the question of whether Roscoe knew what Kennett was doing. If the SCB examiner suspected something was wrong on a casual visual check then how come Roscoe, an ex-rider himself who knows all the tricks of the trade didn't notice anything ? Roscoe after all is working with Kennett all the time, every meeting so how come he didn't notice anything untoward . . Did Roscoe turn a blind eye ? I suppose we will never know. Surely there must be more scientific ways of testing. I know nothing about speedway bikes, but if you're testing a silencer, surely a sensitive sound level meter, a pressure meter to measure the pressure of the exhaust gases or something to test the contents of the exhaust gases could be used. If you could get a short response time you could do this in situ during a meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 No , they could of stuck with the Poles and said ```` off to the Fim. Unlucky for Ed that he was the first one to get caught. Riders have been cheating since the sport stated so why the big uproar. Are the fans that stupid or ignorant that they believe everyone sticks by the rules? the biggest cheats in the sport are usually the more successful promoters Then you would probably not have speedway at the likes of Birmingham, Leicester or some of the ones who have got planning permission. The Poles soon relented when they were probably told they would lose all their world championship meetings if they didn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Hypothetically, let's say that Eddie said, "It appears my mechanic did something without me knowing. I've dismissed him and will never use him again. He's admniited this to the SCB, and assures them this was the first time it's happened. I accept that, as the rider, I should have checked my machine, and I will do so in future." What would you say? I would say Eddie's mechanic last night was his Dad so its a bit for him to difficult to argue that one. Now we know why Dave Kennett threw a wobbler when the silencer was taken away. If Eddie had not been caught he would have earned around £2000 points money last night, plus who knows how much from other meetings, so we can see why some riders might think its worth taking a chance if the risk of getting caught is small, and if they think they will only get a small fine of say £1500 as Madsen did. It needs a strong penalty as a deterrent. Also think of the other riders. If a rider on an illegal silencer gets enhanced performance and beats riders with standard silencers he is in effect stealing points money from them that he doesn't deserve. It is dishonest. The punishment needs to fit the crime. Any rider cheating needs to be hit very hard in the pocket otherwise there is no deterrent and the practice will carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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