Scandinavian Gp 2011

[Marmite]

Something was strange with Gollob last night. Not only did he look slow but his body language just wasn't Gollob at all. In one race he had the run on the inside down the home straight and looked to be a nose in front but as they leant across to enter the turn he just eased off. He never looked comfortable all night and for Harris to pass him with ease after almost stopping in his first race just compounds the mystery.

 

You're right, he just did not look himself at all. In the first race Harris had more or less blown it with that huge locker he pulled, and for a lap Harris was just sort of following, and then he seemed to realise if he pulled his finger out he could have Gollob such was the pace or lack of pace from Gollob. Not the Gollob I know and love.

[topaz325]

The referee for the meeting M Issing.

[Rob B]

Polish TV showed replay of the final and clearly shows the outside of the tapes went up before the inside at about 2:55.10

 

 

Holder made a big deal about this happening in one of the heats in Italy, this was a final should be an even bigger deal made of it!

 

Can't be that hard to have two sensors on tapes that tell referee if tapes don't go up together, some simple electronics needed in SGP at least as referee has no idea looking in line with the tapes.

[spook]

Polish TV showed replay of the final and clearly shows the outside of the tapes went up before the inside at about 2:55.10

 

 

Holder made a big deal about this happening in one of the heats in Italy, this was a final should be an even bigger deal made of it!

 

Can't be that hard to have two sensors on tapes that tell referee if tapes don't go up together, some simple electronics needed in SGP at least as referee has no idea looking in line with the tapes.

 

makes complete sense and shouldnt be expensive or difficult to impliment

[Paragon]

From where we were stood you could see the gates went up on the outside first, we could not belive the red lights did not come on, it spoiled (a bit) what was the best GP ive been to in a long time. Having watched the Sky coverage this morning it looks to me as if they glossed over it compleatly.

 

As for the music in question it made me laugh as it was quite apt for some of the refereeing that was going on, anyone who has spent any time in Sweden will know that there are 2 main radio stations and neither of them play more than about 6 records or censor anything , ive heard Pink tell me she's ####### perfect about 30 times in the last week.

 

I would also like to put myself forward to be Jason Crump's gate picker for the remaining GP's, as soon as I saw him pick red for the semi I knew he was out.

 

On the Gollob front his bikes sounded quite sick as he want passed us during most of his heats.

Edited August 15, 2011 by Paragon

[ImpartialOne]

makes complete sense and shouldnt be expensive or difficult to impliment

The simplest and least expensive method would be to have all start marshals turn around and watch the tapes after lining riders up. If they don't go up evenly he puts his arm up to signal a false start.

He needn't be behind the riders (facing the bikes as they shower shale isn't ideal) he can be on the kerb watching the tapes.

[Phlipphlopp]

The simplest and least expensive method would be to have all start marshals turn around and watch the tapes after lining riders up. If they don't go up evenly he puts his arm up to signal a false start.

He needn't be behind the riders (facing the bikes as they shower shale isn't ideal) he can be on the kerb watching the tapes.

 

Surely you dont think they'll adopt a sensible idea like that ? The powers that be will probably have a little sojourn In Gran canaria for a week in the winter to get their heads around this very difficult , complex problem

[PHILIPRISING]

Surely you dont think they'll adopt a sensible idea like that ? The powers that be will probably have a little sojourn In Gran canaria for a week in the winter to get their heads around this very difficult , complex problem

 

NOT a sensible idea at all. As likely as not the starting marshal would be blinded by dirt coming off the track but are you really suggesting that he should have the power to initiate a restart rather than the referee? That would be placing a huge onus on an untrained guy who may or may not get it right. Far too risky and unprofessional.

 

This subject is actually being discussed at the highest level right now. My own suggestion is that the referee has immediate access at the end of each race, should he request it, to replays of the head on TV camera, which has the best view in the stadium. The powers-that-be are looking into ways of having a separate TV monitor in the referee's box that could have that view available even before the end of the race. If the referee was in any doubt he could look at the replay or even a static picture within seconds and before announcing the result of the race.

 

The technology is there so let's use it.

[Phlipphlopp]

NOT a sensible idea at all. As likely as not the starting marshal would be blinded by dirt coming off the track but are you really suggesting that he should have the power to initiate a restart rather than the referee? That would be placing a huge onus on an untrained guy who may or may not get it right. Far too risky and unprofessional.

 

This subject is actually being discussed at the highest level right now. My own suggestion is that the referee has immediate access at the end of each race, should he request it, to replays of the head on TV camera, which has the best view in the stadium. The powers-that-be are looking into ways of having a separate TV monitor in the referee's box that could have that view available even before the end of the race. If the referee was in any doubt he could look at the replay or even a static picture within seconds and before announcing the result of the race.

 

The technology is there so let's use it.

 

I cant believe an untrained guy , who knows speedway , cant tell if the gates go up level (unless he needs to go to specsavers) .Most of the refs these days seem to be idiots , i'd prefer the marshall to make more sensible decisions than the majority of refs anyday. Look at the Bomber /Holder race at the previous GP , the ref saw the gates had malfunctioned and did sweet FA ' The marshall , could of course wear a trendy pair of safety glasses

[PHILIPRISING]

I cant believe an untrained guy , who knows speedway , cant tell if the gates go up level (unless he needs to go to specsavers) .Most of the refs these days seem to be idiots , i'd prefer the marshall to make more sensible decisions than the majority of refs anyday. Look at the Bomber /Holder race at the previous GP , the ref saw the gates had malfunctioned and did sweet FA ' The marshall , could of course wear a trendy pair of safety glasses

 

BUT the referee in Terenzano didn't see the tapes malfunction (as he couldn't from his position) and had called the result of the race before a complaint was made. Under FIM rules he cannot then order a rerun, even though he was subsequently aware of the problem from TV replays. This is why the FIM are reviewing the situation and looking at how a referee can be made aware of a mishap before declaring a result.

 

I still cannot agree about letting the start marshal make the decision about the tapes going up correctly. It would open a can of worms. What is he going to do ... stand in the middle of the track waving at the referee who is watching the riders as the race unfolds. Some meetings would take days to run.

[Mark]

I cant believe an untrained guy , who knows speedway , cant tell if the gates go up level (unless he needs to go to specsavers) .Most of the refs these days seem to be idiots , i'd prefer the marshall to make more sensible decisions than the majority of refs anyday. Look at the Bomber /Holder race at the previous GP , the ref saw the gates had malfunctioned and did sweet FA ' The marshall , could of course wear a trendy pair of safety glasses

 

Cant agree. If you're sitting in line, over the top, of the tapes you cant always see if one side goes up a fraction before the other. We are talking fractions but at this level it means plenty

[Phlipphlopp]

Cant agree. If you're sitting in line, over the top, of the tapes you cant always see if one side goes up a fraction before the other. We are talking fractions but at this level it means plenty

 

I was referring to the starting marshall keeping an eye on the tapes

[ImpartialOne]

NOT a sensible idea at all. As likely as not the starting marshal would be blinded by dirt coming off the track but are you really suggesting that he should have the power to initiate a restart rather than the referee? That would be placing a huge onus on an untrained guy who may or may not get it right. Far too risky and unprofessional.

 

This subject is actually being discussed at the highest level right now. My own suggestion is that the referee has immediate access at the end of each race, should he request it, to replays of the head on TV camera, which has the best view in the stadium. The powers-that-be are looking into ways of having a separate TV monitor in the referee's box that could have that view available even before the end of the race. If the referee was in any doubt he could look at the replay or even a static picture within seconds and before announcing the result of the race.

 

The technology is there so let's use it.

They wouldn't be untrained if they all had training.

 

And I did say they would not be behind the bikes as that would be dangerous. They simply move to the inner kerb.

 

Often replays aren't available. A monitor would work but training start matshals (if that's even necessary) is far cheaper.

 

We have amateurs timing races and handing out false track records so I don't see a problem with a start marshal calling a false start.

[mothorsen]

A sensor costs next to nothing to install, I would guess. Shops have them in the doors going "ding-dong", and they could go ding-didly-dong in the ref booth aswell with an uneven start.

[jollie roger]

NOT a sensible idea at all. As likely as not the starting marshal would be blinded by dirt coming off the track but are you really suggesting that he should have the power to initiate a restart rather than the referee? That would be placing a huge onus on an untrained guy who may or may not get it right. Far too risky and unprofessional.

 

This subject is actually being discussed at the highest level right now. My own suggestion is that the referee has immediate access at the end of each race, should he request it, to replays of the head on TV camera, which has the best view in the stadium. The powers-that-be are looking into ways of having a separate TV monitor in the referee's box that could have that view available even before the end of the race. If the referee was in any doubt he could look at the replay or even a static picture within seconds and before announcing the result of the race.

 

The technology is there so let's use it.

The refereeing this year I feel has been bloody appalling at all levels of the sport.The powers that be need to TRAIN ALL referees to the same standard,By the same man .Tony Steele.Ageism has hit Mr Steele as though he was employed by the B.B.C.he is still the best man in the speedway world for the job ,employ him to train new refs in the speedway world.If any ref should be got rid of it is Jim Lawrence.He has been making MEGA,MEGA cockups for many years and is still getting away with it ,as witnessed in the SWC.He should not be allowed to ref. amateur matches in my opinion

[jollie roger]

Cant agree. If you're sitting in line, over the top, of the tapes you cant always see if one side goes up a fraction before the other. We are talking fractions but at this level it means plenty

If the ref had had the sense to look at the monitor I am lead to believe Sky provide then I feel commmon sense would prevail,BUT this is the speedway hierarchy!!!

[spook]

If the ref had had the sense to look at the monitor I am lead to believe Sky provide then I feel commmon sense would prevail,BUT this is the speedway hierarchy!!!

 

I've been saying for years that strategically placed cameras on bends 2 and 3 within a closed circuit television system, would help refs get a view of those blind spots for a low price tag

 

the same system could be applied facing the tapes....... the ref would have his own digital footage, able to be 'rewound' and played back at his leisure

[Mark]

How difficult can it be to have someone watching a head on shot of the tapes going up. Like the ref he would have a red light button to stop the race.

[ImpartialOne]

How difficult can it be to have someone watching a head on shot of the tapes going up. Like the ref he would have a red light button to stop the race.

Not difficult at all but this is speedway.

[lucifer sam]

Fantastic meeting at Malilla.

 

Just got back yesterday from a 10-day Travel Plus tour, also incorporating the GP challenge and 5 other meetings. Wonderful relaxing time in Vastervik (although I ended up with a bit of a hangover after staying out until 3am the final night ) and the weather was kind, allowing us to get all 7 meetings in.

 

All the best

Rob