Chris Brown Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The only thing we need to change is the Joker.. other than that it is a good format, although we can get used to seeing Poland and maybe the Aussies ruling for years to come. The only format change I wondered about I think they tried years ago, but where in each race they have 3 nations, two riders from one nation, then one rider from two other nations. This way it might lead to good team riding and a true team world cup. Sure it was tried, but not sure why it didnt work out. I agree, get ris of the joker To see the ridiculous site in Heat 23 of Davey Watt deliberately coming last was crazy. In fact it should have been worse because Kasprazak really should have slowed and let the Swede through leaving Poland 5 up with two to go instead of 6 up and allowing an Aussie joker Now that would have been a farce. Terrific racing all night and then the danger of riders chucking away points. That is enough to get rid of it As for the rest of the format..............no problem with it. If Poland produces racing and anm atmosphere like that then let them have the meeting, was there any comparison with the dross served up on Monday night in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Last night was much, much better than Monday because the teams were much more balanced, you could tell at Lynn how most races were going to finish beforehand unfortunately. Last night's line up at the NA would be a super meeting. Anyway, I agree with HW that the current format is a good one, but for me the Joker needs scrapping or tweaking. As others have said seeing riders slowing deliberately is less than ideal. I'd personally scrap all jokers and tactical subs and have a reserve instead, who can take one ride of each team member if required. And as good as the meeting was last night lets see the final shared round a bit more.......I believe Sweden have it next year but it should go to Denmark, the UK and anywhere else that wants it before Poland get it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 If they dont get rid of the joker they should at least rename it as right now it has "its a knock out" written all over it and makes some aspects of the sport look like a joke. But here is strange thing, your also allowed to use a tactical sub so why cant we go back to this in league racing if its good enough for the WTC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) Firstly, what a cracking advert for speedway last night Why do people come up with all the wierd and wonderful changes they want to the format AFTER the SWC has finished? Is it because the team they wanted to win didn't? Facts are the Poles are the strongest speedway nation at the moment, I didn't want them to win but they won fair and square. GB are not a force in world speedway anymore (much like most sport we compete in)Lets face it, if we have 5 man teams, 4 men or 10 men teams the Poles would still have been favourites. The only way team GB have a chance of winning is if we are the only team allowed to take part next season, and i'm sure we'd still find a way of mucking it up. Edited July 17, 2011 by refereerick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The format is pretty good but i would like to see a few changes . The final should be not be in Poland /Denmark year in year out ,this event should be about sport not the BSI / FIM makeing money the same goes for GB having a home leg each year . A reserve must be in a place but can only be used a maximum of two times for any reason ,that would help teams if a rider got hurt but also mean that teams could not used the rule to cheat ect . The joker to be used only if your 10 pts behind and no tac subs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 First change is to NOT hold the final in Poland next year. It isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Firstly, what a cracking advert for speedway last night Why do people come up with all the wierd and wonderful changes they want to the format AFTER the SWC has finished? Is it because the team they wanted to win didn't? Facts are the Poles are the strongest speedway nation at the moment, I didn't want them to win but they won fair and square. GB are not a force in world speedway anymore (much like most sport we compete in)Lets face it, if we have 5 man teams, 4 men or 10 men teams the Poles would still have been favourites. The only way team GB have a chance of winning is if we are the only team allowed to take part next season, and i'm sure we'd still find a way of mucking it up. An excellent posting...sadly your words are very true. Without doubt that was the very best Speedway ever seen on TV..a superb advert for the sport. Why are Poland so good ??..same as Sweden and Denmark...they can see the bigger picture, don't get bogged down in stupid rules, and they invest in THEIR riders development..until this changes in the UK then the future is bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 After watching THAT, it was the best meet for a while.. WHY would it be changed??? The only way something as entertaining (and a great advert for speedway)as last nights meeting/format could be binned would be... to let the BSPA have the final decision on it!!!! If the Aussies' joker had won them the meeting (eg Polish engine failures and 6 points gained by the Aussies) people would have LOVED the joker system last night. It was hard on the Aussies at one point, but when they went 6 back, it made it interesting as they had it in reserve. I don't normally like the joker rule, but last nights to-ing and fro-ing gave it a fair airing. But that's speedway.. it's like the black/white possible 8-1 helmet colour. You get rewarded when your behind. We've always had that in the sport. But I'd change nothing. Apart from the fact that the venue of Cardiff would be great for such a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The format is pretty good but i would like to see a few changes . The final should be not be in Poland /Denmark year in year out ,this event should be about sport not the BSI / FIM makeing money the same goes for GB having a home leg each year . A reserve must be in a place but can only be used a maximum of two times for any reason ,that would help teams if a rider got hurt but also mean that teams could not used the rule to cheat ect . The joker to be used only if your 10 pts behind and no tac subs . Personally I can't see the problem in having a reserve who can have up to 5 rides replacing anyone at any time. So what if he comes in for a rider who is struggling on the night? Agree on your joker point though mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Two things i would change, have the race off and final at different tracks this will stop team wanting to be in the race off for an advantage. The second one would be to have the final on a rotation basis between maybe Poland, GB, Denmark and Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) The final should be not be in Poland /Denmark year in year out ,this event should be about sport not the BSI / FIM makeing money sadly orion the whole SGP/SWC stopped becoming about speedway first an awful long time ago. Some of the GP's and the other SWC events happen to produce good speedway but I suspect that would have little to do with whether BSI considered them a good event or not If ever proof were needed what mattered you only have to look at the Gothenburg evwnt to know that speedway and its fans were lower than a snakes belly in the priority list there. Money came so far at the top its not true Edited July 17, 2011 by Chris Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 sadly orion the whole SGP/SWC stopped becoming about speedway first an awful long time ago. Some of the GP's and the other SWC events happen to produce good speedway but I suspect that would have little to do with whether BSI considered them a good event or not If ever proof were needed what mattered you only have to look at the Gothenburg evwnt to know that speedway and its fans were lower than a snakes belly in the priority list there. Money came so far at the top its not true Since the format came under the BSI umbrella we have had 3 Finals in GB. Considering we held the last one at Smallmead, I'm quite glad that subsequent finals have been held elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 First change is to NOT hold the final in Poland next year. IMO some of us,including me,are looking at Poland dominating SWCs with a jelous eye.Would we be complaining if Team GB were winning SWCs on one of our tracks each year. If there were stadia,with the capacities to rival Gorzow,Lezsno,Wroclaw and the like then moving the SWC around would be fine,but lets be honest there isnt.The Poles can fill those stadiums with ease,with a fantastic atmosphere as we saw last night. Agree about changing the format,bringing in a floating reserve is an idea but as we have seen in previous years it is open to abuse.Id stick with the joker,but maybe if the joker rider started with a 10m handicap. Or maybe,Team GB,Sweden,Denmark,Austrailia and all the others should up their game,and start beating the Polish team on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 They tried having a reserve before, but this was manipulated by a rider performing badly suddenly becoming too ill to ride. Why not hold the final in sweden next year. The reserve could come in at any time to replace a rider, who may be out-of-form, like in the good old days, but he still would be limited to a maximum of six rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Since the format came under the BSI umbrella we have had 3 Finals in GB. Considering we held the last one at Smallmead, I'm quite glad that subsequent finals have been held elsewhere. And why do you think the Final was held at Smallmead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Personaly I dont think Speedway gets any better than what I saw tonight, but if you wanted to spice it up a bit more; what about the top riders from the eliminated countrys forming a team for the final? I agree it was a good final tonight. But Poland did have the very best gates from heats 21 - 25. They had 3 gates two and 1 gate four. But making all teams having the same number of differnt starting gates, it would be much more fairer, to all teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 And why do you think the Final was held at Smallmead ? Well the link between BSI and Reading (at that time) is obvious, but to hold a World Final at the place?? Embarassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 As is usual people are calling for change when they don`t agree with the result. The Final was great with the verdict still unsure until the penultimate heat. Think that speedway was yet again the winner. I agree, 4 riders teams have been tried before and was open to manipulation by the use of a reserve. IF there was a better way of running 4 rider teams then its an option. But personally speaking think the formula of 5 rider teams is right. The only dispute of a team not having 5 riders was down to country politics. They should be penalised and made to qualify for there actions. There was NO REASON why Emil couldnt have ridden on Monday because the problem was solved for the race off. A tough stance should be made to let countries know if you dont ensure 5 riders WILL be available then you will be withdrawn and allow the next ranked team to take there place. Russia have proved there an emerging nation, but did themselves a diservice on Monday by there own federation (politics or not). I never said that I didn't agree with the result. It's just an idea to try and spice the meeting-up, especially at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Firstly, what a cracking advert for speedway last night Why do people come up with all the wierd and wonderful changes they want to the format AFTER the SWC has finished? Is it because the team they wanted to win didn't? Facts are the Poles are the strongest speedway nation at the moment, I didn't want them to win but they won fair and square. GB are not a force in world speedway anymore (much like most sport we compete in)Lets face it, if we have 5 man teams, 4 men or 10 men teams the Poles would still have been favourites. The only way team GB have a chance of winning is if we are the only team allowed to take part next season, and i'm sure we'd still find a way of mucking it up. I know Poland are by far the strongest team in the world. But the all SWC meeting I think are mared by the lottery of the starting postitions. Teams could lose or even not qualify due to the way there set-up at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Personally I can't see the problem in having a reserve who can have up to 5 rides replacing anyone at any time. So what if he comes in for a rider who is struggling on the night? Agree on your joker point though mate. The reason being if you do that then every team would put there best rider there as they could cherry pick rides /gates etc ....the one thing we all argree on is that is a reserve should be in place ,if Hampel had not being to ride after being knock off by Ward then Poland would have lost ithe World cup .How unfair would that have been ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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