Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The format is pretty good but i would like to see a few changes . The final should be not be in Poland /Denmark year in year out ,this event should be about sport not the BSI / FIM makeing money the same goes for GB having a home leg each year . A reserve must be in a place but can only be used a maximum of two times for any reason ,that would help teams if a rider got hurt but also mean that teams could not used the rule to cheat ect . The joker to be used only if your 10 pts behind and no tac subs . I totally agree the final should be moved around more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 But the all SWC meeting I think are mared by the lottery of the starting postitions. Teams could lose or even not qualify due to the way there set-up at the moment. I agree with the comment about the starting gates. Surely there is a way that they can be more evenly distributed throughout the meeting. Teams getting blocks of inside or outside gates often distorts the scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Cracking advert for the sport but the tactical joker has now run its course its embarassing get rid of it. It would be nice if they staged it every other year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) regarding next year, if i'm not way wrong, its more or less certain that it will be in Sweden but the question seems to be if it will be at Eskilstuna's track or at Vetlanda's track. Although I'm biased, Eskilstuna would be a much better choice due to several factors; its a better racetrack then the ultra slick gating competition that usually is at Vetlanda, Eskilstuna has better public transportation services with three International Airports within 2 hours by car. Then Eskilstuna has more to offer when it comes to accommodation, restaurants, pubs and etc... see this link http://live.speedway...84?district_id= and select topics that starts with "Allsvenskan: Ikaros Smederna" too what the racing is like. Edited July 17, 2011 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Boy Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Love the current format and the racing was very good last night. Only change would be to make the use of the joker only possible when 10 or 12 points behind. I think the current six is unfair on the team riding well and leading, especially when gate positions can have such an influence. One team might edge ahead, but might in the normal course of events lose the advantage with then having the less favourable gates. Also, six seems unfair when the team using the joker can go out and score six points and in the same race the leading team may finish last and lose all their advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Only allow the joker ride when a team is 8 points behind and the rider has to win the race to collect double points , and no jokers in the final block of heats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Without doubt that was the very best Speedway ever seen on TV..a superb advert for the sport. Disagree - I can immediately think of at least 6 better meetings (Poole v Cov play-off final, Bydgoszcz GP [not sure of year], and four other World Cup rounds) Year in year out the World Cup provides brilliant speedway - season after season it is the highlight of the speedway calender. Changing it (joker apart) seems like a very low priority. PS 2001 Race-off, 2004 Final, 2009 semi-final at Vojens and 2009 semi-final at Peterboro', and there are plenty of other really good events in the last 11 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 IF it ain't broke - and on the evidence of last night it isn't - why change it? Fantastic event, especially for those of us lucky enough to be there. Cannot argue that the final needs to be moved around more (Sweden in 2012, most likely Malilla, too many internal politics at Eskilstuna) but frankly how can any where compare with Polish events these days? The Edward Jancarz stadium in Gorzow compares with Torun and it is not just on the track that sadly the UK is now amongst the poor relations of world speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Joker when 8 behind would be the only change. Reserves would be good, but we all saw how easy it was to bend the rules a few years ago in Leszno when a rider was off the pace and had to "pull out". Strict guidelines would be a necessity if reserves were to be introduced. Other than that the SWC provides the best racing the sport has to offer and shouldn't be tinkered with. Let's see it spread around now as although the Poles provide a cracking atmosphere with top facilities, it is becoming a bit silly with the final going back and forth between Poland and Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The reason being if you do that then every team would put there best rider there as they could cherry pick rides /gates etc ....the one thing we all argree on is that is a reserve should be in place ,if Hampel had not being to ride after being knock off by Ward then Poland would have lost ithe World cup .How unfair would that have been ? Reserves would be good, but we all saw how easy it was to bend the rules a few years ago in Leszno when a rider was off the pace and had to "pull out". Strict guidelines would be a necessity if reserves were to be introduced. Agree with both, I'm sure it would be possible to 'seed' riders in each squad based on current averages in the three major leagues, SWC records etc to ensure that the weakest rider is always at reserve. Also riders who go into a meeting with an injury or illness and have to pull out can't be replaced, just those who are signed off by the doc after a crash in the meeting itself. Personally I'd bring in a 'minimum rides' rule too, each rider has to have three rides and can be replaced by a reserve once and a TS once if needs be. I'd make the TS valid once 10 behind rather than 6 and abolish the Joker to stop riders trying to finish last. They are pretty minor tweaks though, the 25 heat format with one from each side is the best IMO and the racing is always top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ava Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Don't know why but it always irritates me when they say they are playing the joker, why can't it just be riding for double points like in the leagues. Minor i know but still irritates me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) First change is to NOT hold the final in Poland next year. Second change is not to hold it in poland. Its all about money, if its held in poland next year i for one will not be interested. No other side will get a look in!! We need the final brought back to the UK. Edited July 17, 2011 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNikeAguero Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Second change is not to hold it in poland. Its all about money, if its held in poland next year i for one will not be interested. No other side will get a look in!! We need the final brought back to the UK. I don't want it in Denmark as the tracks are poor and Poland again would be boring. Why not in Australia at the MCG with a audience of 90,000 people. That would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRackBandit Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Two things i would change, have the race off and final at different tracks this will stop team wanting to be in the race off for an advantage. The second one would be to have the final on a rotation basis between maybe Poland, GB, Denmark and Sweden. Totally agree, those are probably the only two changes I would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Just finished watching it as I was at newport last night, it was superb, but what I Dont Understand is the commentry EG Poland Become the Ist Team to Win the world cup 3 years on the trot, well Sweden won it in 1962/3/4, and Denmark Won it an amazing 6 times in 1983/4/5/6/7/8, Now thats a Record.Please SKY Get your History Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsNiceman Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Well how wrong was I! I thought watching it would be a little bit flat as I didn't have A GB team to support. Wrong Wrong Wrong.... the final was brilliant and in some respects better for not having the GB team there as I was able to just enjoy the races without focusing on 'our' team. I don't like the Joker idea but I can see why it was put in place. As for cutting it down to 16 heats....noooooooo. I want to see more speedway at that level not less. Poland are the cup holders but after last night Speedway was the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerald tyke Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Just finished watching it as I was at newport last night, it was superb, but what I Dont Understand is the commentry EG Poland Become the Ist Team to Win the world cup 3 years on the trot, well Sweden won it in 1962/3/4, and Denmark Won it an amazing 6 times in 1983/4/5/6/7/8, Now thats a Record.Please SKY Get your History Correct Think the Sky people were meaning 3 times on the trot since its been The World Cup from 2001 rather than World TEAM Cup from 1960-2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Well how wrong was I! I thought watching it would be a little bit flat as I didn't have A GB team to support. Wrong Wrong Wrong.... the final was brilliant and in some respects better for not having the GB team there as I was able to just enjoy the races without focusing on 'our' team. I don't like the Joker idea but I can see why it was put in place. As for cutting it down to 16 heats....noooooooo. I want to see more speedway at that level not less. Poland are the cup holders but after last night Speedway was the winner. I never said that the meeting should 16 heats. I said 16 normal heats with all riders racing each other, then have four nominated heats. So there would be a grand total of 20 heats, in the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Think the Sky people were meaning 3 times on the trot since its been The World Cup from 2001 rather than World TEAM Cup from 1960-2000. Same competition, World Cup / World team Cup / Sky did not invent speedway, they should acknoledge that there was speedway before SKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Why not in Australia at the MCG with a audience of 90,000 people. Because even if you could persuade the MCG to lay a track on their hallowed turf, you wouldn't get anything close to 90,000 people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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