crumpiefan Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Australia would smash them in Australia. Why is there never a World Cup event in Australia. If the final was in Australia, The Poles would get utterly smashed. purely and simply finance. too expensive i would imagine to transport bikes,mechanics etc. i agree tho it would be good if the finals were selected on a more even rota,not poland every 2 years, but thats me preferring the sport side to the financial aspect. poland deserved their win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Excellent meeting and great racing, but boring and very predictable result. Great to have a 6th man though for Poland. Nicki slowed right up on that last bend and let Darcy through so the Aussies couldn't play the joker and I wonder if he would have stayed down after that fall if Holder had been leading in the joker ride. It proves one thing - money talks. And also in your lifetime when have you ever known a referee to change his mind, never in mine!! Edited July 16, 2011 by scotty2hotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticboy Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 The only Pole I can't stand is Gollob, and that's on a personal level. I admit he's a very good rider, but his entire attitude has always stunk. As for the cheating, how else do you explain 5 heats where they were absolutely dominant, after 9 heats of nothing. First Gollob & Hampel had immense speed, then the other 3 had it identically at different points. They certainly didn't cheat all the way, just enough to get them equal. And before you say they'd be caught, can you imagine the FIM actually banning the Polish team because of cheating? They'd lose an immense amount of money and the officials wouldn't get out of the country alive. Sweden, Denmark & Australia made that meeting a lot closer than the poles wanted. As for the referee, that's the first time I've ever seen a ref change his mind after declaring a result. And I'll bet a £1 to a pinch of sh*t that the WC final will be back in Poland next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 What do you say about that? Gollob breaks Aussie hearts again. I'm glad that all 4 teams were able to use the joker this time, so no one team was disadvantaged. Poland looking in lots of trouble early doors but the legend that is Tomasz Gollob was simply class. Two back to back wins (heats 9 & 10 I think) both with huge pressure on them and he didn't really gate in either. The man is the best thing to happen to speedway. And as for heat 25 sublime stuff. Crump and Holder were excellent. And for my money THJ didn't look out of place in this company, gaun yersel wee Tam. And a special mention as ever for the Polish fans yet another example of amazing emotional investment in your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Despite the utter bullrubbish joker situation, the ridiculous machine doctoring and referee decisions, it was a good meeting. From heat 9 on, it was clearly australia not wanting to give in that kept the race alive. Utterly disgusted by the polish team. 5 obviously talented riders that felt the need to cheat. How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBrian Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) THE MOST STUNNING MEETING EVER! Edited July 16, 2011 by BongoBrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcrazy Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I can't believe that people are moaning about this meeting. Every team got to use the joker so there was no advantage there and Pedersen spends half his life on his backside anyway so the fall is no great surprise. No -one could ever accuse me of being a Pedersen fan but credit to him for getting off the track...people on here normally moan constantly about people NOT getting off the track! Fabulous meeting with some awesome racing...heat 25 was out of this world! Congratulations to Polska...and the wonderful Tomasz Gollob!!! Agreed Lupus, there are so many people on here accussing the Poles of cheating, it just get's them that a team can turn things around. Gollob changed his timing, he turned his bike on end to fill up with oil because the ol bung had seized ......and thats cheating.... some people are amazing with their comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 It makes me laugh when people rave about what a talented rider Gollob is, comparing him to some of the best of all time. He is nowhere near some of the great riders of the past. What he does have are the fastest bikes. Oh PULEEESE! Yeah its ultra quick bikes - probably with illegal fuel or additives if the tin foil hat brigade are to be believed - that allow him to perform the maneuvers that he can carry off. Were you even WATCHING the meeting tonight?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Should have put Crumpy in heat 24 - Holder has a joker record similar to that of Scott Nicholls. Would have also given him the chance to tweak the set up for heat 25. Probably wouldn't have been enough because the Poles would have got 2nd twice but still flawed tactically. I agree, seems a strange decision not to use Crump. As always, the SWC final produces an absolutely excellent meeting. Congratulations to Poland, they came on exceptionally strong in the latter stages on the event. Presumably it will be hosted in Denmark next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 When the racing is generally pretty close all meeting long.. then suddenly, previously ineffective riders are winning races by 50-60 yards against WORLD CLASS riders, all grouped tightly behind them, something is amiss. Within the rules, or not within the rules, we will never know as it is not, despite what some say here, properly investigated. The sport has too much lose for that. Unfortunately speedway is becoming ever more like Formula One where on the big tracks its a case of fastest bike wins more often than not. It makes me laugh when people rave about what a talented rider Gollob is, comparing him to some of the best of all time. He is nowhere near some of the great riders of the past. What he does have are the fastest bikes. We will never know, the pressure would have been completely different. Can't agree with that, he is amongst the best riders I have watched since the late 60's, it's not just fast bikes, he is an extremely gifted rider imo. I could watch him race all day long. Can't understand what exactly you think the Poles did tonight, are you suggesting they swapped bikes? Can't see that going unobserved in the pits. Please explain what you think they did. There are non more competitive than the Aussies and Jason Crump didn't seem to have any complaints there at the end. That was a fantastic meeting, best I've seen for ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumpiefan Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 What do you say about that? Gollob breaks Aussie hearts again. I'm glad that all 4 teams were able to use the joker this time, so no one team was disadvantaged. Poland looking in lots of trouble early doors but the legend that is Tomasz Gollob was simply class. Two back to back wins (heats 9 & 10 I think) both with huge pressure on them and he didn't really gate in either. The man is the best thing to happen to speedway. And as for heat 25 sublime stuff. Crump and Holder were excellent. And for my money THJ didn't look out of place in this company, gaun yersel wee Tam. And a special mention as ever for the Polish fans yet another example of amazing emotional investment in your team. have to say although each team had chance to play joker i don't think the aussies would have ideally picked holder against hampel would they. holder was great but so was hampel,they would have chosen an easier heat but basically had no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencebel Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 IMO the turning point was with Gollob and the OIL he put in his bike,he left everybody for dead. Also the team talk of the Poles,would love to know their secret,of how to find the set-ups straight away. In the race off on Thursday Team GB never found it ALL NIGHT!!!!!!!! Gollob fast bike He will never have the track craft of the greats, Fundin, Moore, Mauger, Craven,Collins etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 THE MOST STUNNING MEETING EVER! Agreed Bongo..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Despite the utter bullrubbish joker situation, the ridiculous machine doctoring and referee decisions, it was a good meeting. From heat 9 on, it was clearly australia not wanting to give in that kept the race alive. Utterly disgusted by the polish team. 5 obviously talented riders that felt the need to cheat. Can you explain Davy Watts' antic then or even Nickis' slowing down , was that not cheating as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaalDaveRacing Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 anyone that has ever been in the pits for these meetings will know that you cannot fart without an fim official jumpin on you, everything is so tight, that is the reason for scrutiny tents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 haha you lot are slightly pathetic... the poles have won fair and square simples If the Aussies had won by the rules going there way then that would have been just as much a farce. NONE of it was a farce. ALL teams played a joker so no one had any better advantage. The Poles won fair and square. Congratulations. I can't believe that people are moaning about this meeting. Every team got to use the joker so there was no advantage there and Pedersen spends half his life on his backside anyway so the fall is no great surprise. No -one could ever accuse me of being a Pedersen fan but credit to him for getting off the track...people on here normally moan constantly about people NOT getting off the track! Fabulous meeting with some awesome racing...heat 25 was out of this world! Congratulations to Polska...and the wonderful Tomasz Gollob!!! Can only echo that Lupus. Jonsson for Sweden, Nicki and Bjarne for the Danes and darcy for the Aussies didnt perform as would have been expected. At least each Pole had a glory moment and thats the reason why they won. It makes me laugh when people rave about what a talented rider Gollob is, comparing him to some of the best of all time. He is nowhere near some of the great riders of the past. What he does have are the fastest bikes. Pure opinion. Gollob is one of the most naturally talented riders ive ever seen. And that includes from the 70`s onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Heat 22 where they lost it, Batchelor should have slowed and let Kolodzej beat him. They could then have used Crump to replace Watt in heat 23. Lets be honest, Boycey makes Middlo look like he knows what he's doing. Completely tactically unaware. Anyway, I wonder if BFD enjoyed tonights team action? Better racing in tonight team meeting than any of he GPs this season by a long way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Can't agree with that, he is amongst the best riders I have watched since the late 60's, it's not just fast bikes, he is an extremely gifted rider imo. I could watch him race all day long. Can't understand what exactly you think the Poles did tonight, are you suggesting they swapped bikes? Can't see that going unobserved in the pits. Please explain what you think they did. There are non more competitive than the Aussies and Jason Crump didn't seem to have any complaints there at the end. That was a fantastic meeting, best I've seen for ages. Among the best riders since the late 60's? Gollob is great on tracks that suit him, big fast tracks. It has taken him YEARS to learn to ride Cardiff. Put him on Lakeside, Monmore Green and he is an average rider. He is also been known to dissapear when track conditions are not 'ideal'. The true greats down the years could ride tracks of all shapes and sizes and still dominate. I'm not saying he is a bad rider, far from it. But he is far from being an all time great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBrian Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) have to say although each team had chance to play joker i don't think the aussies would have ideally picked holder against hampel would they. holder was great but so was hampel,they would have chosen an easier heat but basically had no choice. Them's the breaks... don't over analyse it though. Every team starts and ends the meeting under the same rules... sometimes it goes for you... sometimes against! What I would say about the Joker, is that if I were a team manager, I would use it at the first opportunity to get 6 points (ie a maximum); irrespective of the timing in the meeting! ...I just hope Sky TV/or whoever it is that do the SGP/SWC series of DVD's do a special un-edited (ie. just as we saw it tonight) DVD of this meeting, cos I would pay £30 for it without even a second thought! It was THAT good Edited July 16, 2011 by BongoBrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 have to say although each team had chance to play joker i don't think the aussies would have ideally picked holder against hampel would they. holder was great but so was hampel,they would have chosen an easier heat but basically had no choice. Maybees aye maybees naw Oz could have replaced Holder with Crump if they really wanted. Personally I'd have been happy to give joker ride to Holder, he certainly tried like a bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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