alan_boon Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I think anyone who takes out an ACU license should have a minimum 5-yr expiry on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Garrity has the potential to be a very good rider that's sure, he's got a long way to go though. As for Morris if he isn't going to ride for Britain then why was he allowed to ride in the NL on a 3 point average and to sign for Glasgow on a 3 point average. Such a shame that money can't be put into our young riders travelling abroad to these meetings, the experience is just what they and the future of our nations speedway needs. Â Morris is a prime example of an Australian abusing the British system. Last year he declined to ride for Great Britain. And people wonder why I protest about these riders. Absolutely scandelous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I think anyone who takes out an ACU license should have a minimum 5-yr expiry on it. Â That to be fair is a good and fair idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 As for Morris if he isn't going to ride for Britain then why was he allowed to ride in the NL on a 3 point average and to sign for Glasgow on a 3 point average. Â I disagree that choice should remain with the individual as it is in every single other sport. Â The only reason people want it to be the case is a) Because they realise the Aussies who have British passports/some form of nationality are better than anything coming out of the GB isles atm. Because they want to win. Â I think the rules should stay as they are. It's funny how people who claim to not want any dual nationality riders in the NL would sell out there ideals if the riders were forced to ride for Team GB. And probably wouldn't have a problem if one of them chose to ride for Team GB under the current rules. Â I think they have a better chance of getting someone to ride for Team GB out of choice than enforcement. Â I highly doubt any of the dual nationality Aussies would take a place in the NL if they were forced to ride for Team GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I highly doubt any of the dual nationality Aussies would take a place in the NL if they were forced to ride for Team GB. Then they can stay at home and ride in the Australian National League then. Oh, wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Then they can stay at home and ride in the Australian National League then. Oh, wait... Â Which would mean we would have no chance of any of them riding for Team GB, at least with what we have then they might choose to ride for Team GB. Â But rest assured if that happened at the top level Team GB will still be rubbish when it matters, until they get investment & development in place & realise & accept where Team GB's place in the speedway world is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I disagree that choice should remain with the individual as it is in every single other sport. Â The only reason people want it to be the case is a) Because they realise the Aussies who have British passports/some form of nationality are better than anything coming out of the GB isles atm. Because they want to win. Â I think the rules should stay as they are. It's funny how people who claim to not want any dual nationality riders in the NL would sell out there ideals if the riders were forced to ride for Team GB. And probably wouldn't have a problem if one of them chose to ride for Team GB under the current rules. Â I think they have a better chance of getting someone to ride for Team GB out of choice than enforcement. Â I highly doubt any of the dual nationality Aussies would take a place in the NL if they were forced to ride for Team GB. Â Which is exactly the point, these riders should be told if they want to come in to the National League they have to be classed as a British rider, if they want to go into the PL on a 3 point average they have to ride as a British rider and if they want their 2.5% average reduction each year they have to ride as a Brit. It's quite easy to grasp, if they are going to use these loopholes in the rules to better themselves that's fair enough and I can't blame them for doing so, however these loopholes should be closed. Â I'm against foreign riders in the NL and the BSPA are shooting themselves in the foot with regards to developing our own talent by letting a few slip through the net. It may only be one or two but they are spots which could be taken by British riders who would race for Britain if they ever got the sufficient standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Obviously as a Heathens' fan I'm happy to see a strong representation of our riders taking part (my uncle actually said to me yesterday he was going to try to get out there to see Dudley take on the rest of the world ). It's not the strongest team we could have tracked in terms of looking at names on a piece of paper. But for whatever reasons certain individuals won't be there so I hope our boys (by which I mean Brits) get the fans' support irrespective of club loyalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Which is exactly the point, these riders should be told if they want to come in to the National League they have to be classed as a British rider, if they want to go into the PL on a 3 point average they have to ride as a British rider and if they want their 2.5% average reduction each year they have to ride as a Brit. It's quite easy to grasp, if they are going to use these loopholes in the rules to better themselves that's fair enough and I can't blame them for doing so, however these loopholes should be closed. Â I'm against foreign riders in the NL and the BSPA are shooting themselves in the foot with regards to developing our own talent by letting a few slip through the net. It may only be one or two but they are spots which could be taken by British riders who would race for Britain if they ever got the sufficient standard. Â Ben what your saying is the loopholes shouldn't be closed as long as we force them to ride for Britain which isn't the same thing. I highly doubt it will ever be enforceable in law. Unless qualification criteria for representing a country changed across all sports. Â I highly doubt that even if it was enforced we would feel any benefit to the system before the NL and the standard of British riders in the NL is no comparison nor will it be unless we see drastic changes before they reach the NL. Â Forcing them to ride for GB if they wished to ride NL,would probably mean they would all come over on 5s to the PL anyway and still be for the most part miles better than anything produced domestically. Â It's funny how many British people selectively choose when they are/are not British but don't approve of other people having more than 1 nationality or think that they should have the same freedom of choice. Â I'm more than willing to agree to disagree on the matter, I'm glad to see that your still as passionate about young riders and the NL as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Obviously as a Heathens' fan I'm happy to see a strong representation of our riders taking part (my uncle actually said to me yesterday he was going to try to get out there to see Dudley take on the rest of the world ). It's not the strongest team we could have tracked in terms of looking at names on a piece of paper. But for whatever reasons certain individuals won't be there so I hope our boys (by which I mean Brits) get the fans' support irrespective of club loyalties. Â Totally agree they deserve are support and hopefully will learn & benefit from the experience as well as causing a few surprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) Ben what your saying is the loopholes shouldn't be closed as long as we force them to ride for Britain which isn't the same thing. I highly doubt it will ever be enforceable in law. Unless qualification criteria for representing a country changed across all sports. Â I highly doubt that even if it was enforced we would feel any benefit to the system before the NL and the standard of British riders in the NL is no comparison nor will it be unless we see drastic changes before they reach the NL. Â Forcing them to ride for GB if they wished to ride NL,would probably mean they would all come over on 5s to the PL anyway and still be for the most part miles better than anything produced domestically. Â It's funny how many British people selectively choose when they are/are not British but don't approve of other people having more than 1 nationality or think that they should have the same freedom of choice. Â I'm more than willing to agree to disagree on the matter, I'm glad to see that your still as passionate about young riders and the NL as ever. Â I think you are reading my post wrongly mate, whilst the loopholes are there then good luck to the Aussie lads for using them to their advantage, also like you say, it would be hard to close them due to the lads having dual nationality and they have the right to choose, my point being, if they choose Australia then they should have to join the PL on a 5 point average. They make their bed so should have to lie in it. It would be naive to say if the 2/3 spots filled by young Aussies who will go on to ride for Aus were taken by Brits it would turn around the fortunes of British speedway but every little has an impact further down the line, granted these lads will go on to ride PL anyway but there's no reason they shouldn't start there rather than going through the NL. Â Back on topic, hopefully the lads who are going can come away from the meeting with a good result and valuable experience. 'Ommer um Edited July 13, 2011 by RocketBen1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Well our team could be left in tatters. Tom, Ash and Bren have all been involved in crashes at BV tonight (so have Armo, Kyle and Darryl ). (check out the Updates for more because frankly if I post it here I doubt anyone would believe me!) Â http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bvc&action=display&thread=8396&page=1 Â On the plus side Rich did practice after the meeting at Monmore last night. He did quite a number of laps. Hopefully he suffered no ill-effects today so he should be available to ride if needed. I await news on our boys from both a club and country perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) I think you are reading my post wrongly mate, whilst the loopholes are there then good luck to the Aussie lads for using them to their advantage, also like you say, it would be hard to close them due to the lads having dual nationality and they have the right to choose, my point being, if they choose Australia then they should have to join the PL on a 5 point average. They make their bed so should have to lie in it. It would be naive to say if the 2/3 spots filled by young Aussies who will go on to ride for Aus were taken by Brits it would turn around the fortunes of British speedway but every little has an impact further down the line, granted these lads will go on to ride PL anyway but there's no reason they shouldn't start there rather than going through the NL.  Back on topic, hopefully the lads who are going can come away from the meeting with a good result and valuable experience. 'Ommer um  Quite possibly I was mate, I apologise if I came across quite strongly or even nasty, just I think there was some other points that needed to be raised and you will discuss them. Edited July 14, 2011 by shirlmeister general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Quite possibly I was mate, I apologise if I came across quite strongly or even nasty, just I think there was some other points that needed to be raised and you will discuss them. Â Not at all mate, nothing wrong with a decent speedway debate, we both have differing opinions perhaps, but that's life and I'm sure we both want what is best for the sport in Britain because it would be terrible to see Britain drop back any further than we already have done on the international stage. If it does happen it will send the sport into a bigger decline than it is already in in the UK. So these lads need all the support they can get from the authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Not at all mate, nothing wrong with a decent speedway debate, we both have differing opinions perhaps, but that's life and I'm sure we both want what is best for the sport in Britain because it would be terrible to see Britain drop back any further than we already have done on the international stage. If it does happen it will send the sport into a bigger decline than it is already in in the UK. So these lads need all the support they can get from the authorities. Â Yep mate definitely agree with that, we all want that & hopefully whatever they do helps the sport in the UK & the young lads move forward. Â Good to see that the young heathen lads are ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shad176 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Not at all mate, nothing wrong with a decent speedway debate, we both have differing opinions perhaps, but that's life and I'm sure we both want what is best for the sport in Britain because it would be terrible to see Britain drop back any further than we already have done on the international stage. If it does happen it will send the sport into a bigger decline than it is already in in the UK. So these lads need all the support they can get from the authorities. i can,t comment on jj but it looks like the dudley lads are going to loose out quite a lot financialy on this trip..no wonder the other lads are not going and i can only admire them all for doing it..the decline continues ben and judging by what these lads are getting from the said "authorities" i will politely say is "miserly"....wonder what "assistance" the germans danes and swedes are getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 What's really needed is to approach someone like Red Bull and offer them the branding of the team (within whatever confines the UEM have), so the GB Red Bulls take to the track, fully funded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Well I got my flights booked to cheer the lads on. I think that the amount of expenses they are being given from the authorities is absolutely laughable to be honest. As much as I support the Dudley team and am going to really love this, I know that the team wil not be a real representation of a G.B. squad. Apart from the "no foreigners in the N.L." it appears to me that they are doing their level best to adopt a "no British riders abroad" policy now as well. It's a disgrace really that we cannot support our "next generation GB squad" better than this. Â 'Ommer 'Um Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 What on earth was meant in SS by saying it's great for Dudley to have 3 riders in the side considering they're sometimes called 'win at all cost', they bought the 3 youngsters in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villiers210 Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 What on earth was meant in SS by saying it's great for Dudley to have 3 riders in the side considering they're sometimes called 'win at all cost', they bought the 3 youngsters in! I don't even understand what that means. Am I being thick here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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