dorset delight Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Ward completey give the Aussie game away in his interveiw. Cocky little sh** he is. Not to worry cos I won't be seeing u in the gp qualifier final thank god. Talent? Yes he has buts needs to grow up. Change the record Josie,yes we know you dont like anything Poole,Noddy,Darcy. But it's getting a bit boring now. You wont need to see him in the qualifier,because if he keeps riding like he did tonight he will be in the gp's anyway. And then you will really be p***ed off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris41 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Darcy Ward reminds me a lot of Casey Stoner in Moto Gp, a bit brash and cocky but is bloody fast and has a tremendous will to win and self belief in ones ability which sometimes rubs people of the wrong way! All the above gives him that extra 5% on all his competitors and sometimes that is the difference to winning and losing. Why can't the British way be like this rather than trying to playing nice all the time and being risk adverse. I mean look at Arthur Sissis who was once destined for speedway. Leading the Red Bull Rookies and is destined to follow in the footsteps of Casey Stoner and will be a future world champion!! Arthur's profile is on the below link - makes you sit up on how adept he is on any motorbike!! What a talent!! http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/RBRC-Riders-en_INT/001242988815931#15 Edited July 9, 2011 by Boris41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I mean look at Arthur Sissis who was once destined for speedway. Leading the Red Bull Rookies and is destined to follow in the footsteps of Casey Stoner and will be a future world champion!! Is he really, good on him, shame speedway missed out eh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Is he really, good on him, shame speedway missed out eh!! Arthur is the best natural rider I've seen since Mick Doohan & Wayne Gardner, and before that Bill Ivy, Mike Hailwood and Giacomo Agostini. He has the capacity to amaze you. Never had the pleasure of seeing Casey Stoner live, but. Edited July 9, 2011 by BigFatDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Not on purpose in my opinion. What planet are you on britpete? planet cuckoo land I guess. Absolutely done on purpose as was proven by Wards comments just before the race. Cheat comes to mind but justice was done in the end when holder came 3rd bl**dy good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Batchelor could only hope to be at a level that Woffy is already. Dont be so dull. Batchelor is better in the EL, is streets ahead in Poland and a good scorer in Swedish EL too. Your sensible, average fan would rather Troy in their team in any of the 3 main leagues than Tai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Why Boycey left it so his riders had to throw races I don't know! didn't he do the same thing in 2010 or 2009 ? take the joker when you can, you may not get another chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam74 Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Troy over Tai any day for me, anywhere bar Wolverhampton. Darcy may be cocky, but as good as he is at such a young age who wouldn't be. World Champion in the next 3 or so years. On purpose or not, been done before and will be done again no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) It is what I call 'legal cheating'. What they did was within the rules, so nothing can be done about it. Had it happened without the petulant brats interview moments before I might not have thought much of it, but put the two together and it seems it was a team tactic to bring in Holder to go for 6 points next time out. Easy way to solve it.. get rid of the stupid double points joker. But doesn't every sport have a rule that will be on the lines of individuals or teams must perform to the best of their abilities (as in not throwing a contest or part of it)? I'm sure i've seen it mentioned in some speedway regulations i've read recently. Agree very much with cancelling the double points rule. Edited July 9, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 As already stated one only has to look at Batchelor's scores in the three main leagues to see how good he is. Definitely a rider on the up even if he's not always that good for his team's spirit and morale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 But doesn't every sport have a rule that will be on the lines of individuals or teams must perform to the best of their abilities (as in not throwing a contest or part of it)? I'm sure i've seen it mentioned in some speedway regulations i've read recently. Agree very much with cancelling the double points rule. The rule is that all riders must make a bona fide attempt to race. Yet we've seen it happen where riders used to drop points in GPs and World Championship rounds to get a better draw in the next heat/meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 What planet are you on britpete? planet cuckoo land I guess. Absolutely done on purpose as was proven by Wards comments just before the race. Cheat comes to mind but justice was done in the end when holder came 3rd bl**dy good job I can accept that Batch was asked to end the race behind Max. I refuse to accept that he deliberately made the move he did. He got himself in a complete mess and was lucky to get out of it without dropping the bike or leaving the track. But doesn't every sport have a rule that will be on the lines of individuals or teams must perform to the best of their abilities (as in not throwing a contest or part of it)?I'm sure i've seen it mentioned in some speedway regulations i've read recently. What constitutes performing to the best though? For the team, it was clear that the best that Batch could do was end third...He had Max Dilger, a sub 3 point Premier League rider up against him...He surely can only be congratulated for making the effort to end the race behind Max...especially in the fashion that he did It's just a shame for Australia that Holder isn't good enough As an aside, do you REALLY think that AJ couldn't have held off Bjarne? No doubt in my mind that AJ knew what he was doing there...Just a shame that the Swedish team manager didn't know what he was doing and left Lindgren in for the double points race. Arthur is the best natural rider I've seen since Mick Doohan & Wayne Gardner, and before that Bill Ivy, Mike Hailwood and Giacomo Agostini. He has the capacity to amaze you. Never had the pleasure of seeing Casey Stoner live, but. Arthur is a fantastic talent on a motorbike...I have seen him racing in the RBR series and also on a speedway track...A real shame that he couldn't be convinced to stick with the sliding. However, I think you missed someone in your run down of natural talents on a road racing bike BFD....*cough* The Doctor *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 What planet are you on britpete? planet cuckoo land I guess. Absolutely done on purpose as was proven by Wards comments just before the race. Cheat comes to mind but justice was done in the end when holder came 3rd bl**dy good job A speedway race is very easy to fix. Why would he make a dangerous move like that to finish last? He could just have just gated behind them and stayed there.But he didn't did he? He was ahead of the German rider at the first attempt to run the heat, in fact he was disputing the lead wit Pedersen.Why would he do that if he intended to be last? In the re-run he gated last, yet he passed Dilger, once again, why? Troy was poor all evening, was he also giving points away in his other races? ( Troy Batchelor - R , 1 , DW , 2 , 1 = 4) Glory Rory was last to a German rider, another fix? Holder messed up his race whilst taking his joker ride even though he led from the gate. Another fix? As for what Ward said on tv, well I stopped believing what riders say publicly a long time ago. Have a good day. Read more:http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=world&action=display&thread=8375#ixzz1RgCCckvK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not sure if was on purpose or not, but if it was then justice was done because as others have pointed out it is "legal cheating". The rule in it's current definition is daft and last night showed it. With 3 teams so close on points, a rule that would allow the third placed team the opportunity to draw level with the first placed team is ludicrous. I understand the logic of having a double points "joker" to keep a meeting close but in this instance changes should be made ; either the points gap must be greater than 6 before the joker can be played, or the joker shouldn't be allowed after say heat 22. At one stage I thought Boycey might be doing the honourable thing, i.e. winning the meeting without using the stupid double points rule and beating the opposition fair and square, but I guess I was dreaming. Oh, and didn't Nigel Pearson go on and on about it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Ward completey give the Aussie game away in his interveiw. Cocky little sh** he is. Not to worry cos I won't be seeing u in the gp qualifier final thank god. Talent? Yes he has buts needs to grow up. Possibly true, but a bit rich josie..... remind you of someone in the Eastbourne line up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Not sure if was on purpose or not, but if it was then justice was done because as others have pointed out it is "legal cheating". The rule in it's current definition is daft and last night showed it. With 3 teams so close on points, a rule that would allow the third placed team the opportunity to draw level with the first placed team is ludicrous. I understand the logic of having a double points "joker" to keep a meeting close but in this instance changes should be made ; either the points gap must be greater than 6 before the joker can be played, or the joker shouldn't be allowed after say heat 22. At one stage I thought Boycey might be doing the honourable thing, i.e. winning the meeting without using the stupid double points rule and beating the opposition fair and square, but I guess I was dreaming. Oh, and didn't Nigel Pearson go on and on about it !!! Betchelors' move looked very suspect , at least he didn't pull over with a "sick" engine . The best thing to do with all these double point Joker rides is to change the rule so's that the rider going for double points has to win the race to get the 6 points and make it an 8 point gap before you can use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Tricky one... Why would Batchelor actually 'mix it up', pass somebody.. then do a 180 degree spin... he could have just tucked in behind on the inside (I've seen more dirt at the bottom of the kids rabbit hutch) and not passed if he had tried. Why mix it up on the 1st and 2nd bends?? Unless he was disgusted to have been asked to throw it, and made it look obvious to embarrass his coach into looking like a cheat. As for the comments that he's better than Woffinden. That's a poor shout, in my opinion. I couldn't see Batchelor rattling up a 15 points max in the British Final, however decent a rider is. As for Ward being cocky. Fair enough.. he can be. But after seeing the kid ride the wall of death round the boards for laps trying to pick up some dirt to gain another point, with maximum effort, flat out and fearless, I do admit to liking the kid. With an earlier Joker when Holder and Ward were racing possible, the Aussies could have grabbed this, and it would have let Batchelor go flat out for the two points in that race with the spin. Terrible team management, you take every opportunity for points available to you... and they didn't. Ridiculous. Now we have a hungry Aussie side in the Play-Off meet, who will be VERY difficult to beat. Especially if managed correctly. As for Ward and the GP's, I'd welcome him anytime. Like him or not... I personally like him... he's what speedway is all about. And a couple of U21 wins, with a third possible, for me entitles him to an invite anyway. He is world class. Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Dont be so dull. Batchelor is better in the EL, is streets ahead in Poland and a good scorer in Swedish EL too. Your sensible, average fan would rather Troy in their team in any of the 3 main leagues than Tai. Disagree, but im happy with that. Tai over Troy for most sensible people every day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Disagree, but im happy with that. Tai over Troy for most sensible people every day of the week. How?! Batchelor is better in all 3 leagues! Neither are world champion material but Batchelor is a better rider and the facts and stats back this up. Usual Wolves bias from you, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 How?! Batchelor is better in all 3 leagues! Neither are world champion material but Batchelor is a better rider and the facts and stats back this up. Usual Wolves bias from you, again. Troy and Tai are about the same to me. Both can be awesome but both can make silly mistakes. Batchelor is a few years older mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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