crumpiefan Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 didn't he do the same thing in 2010 or 2009 ? take the joker when you can, you may not get another chance exactly. doesn't matter when you use it as long as you get the full value of it. i've never understood the reasoning behind waiting to use it,it was clear to most people that boyce missed a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Troy and Tai are about the same to me. Both can be awesome but both can make silly mistakes. Batchelor is a few years older mind. Until Tai averages more than Troy in at least 2 of the major leagues, I think most people will realise that Troy is the better rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I couldn't see Batchelor rattling up a 15 points max in the British Final, however decent a rider is. Neither could I. Batchelor will never be British Champion if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Neither could I. Batchelor will never be British Champion if you ask me. Well, you never know mate! British ChampionsYear Winner Runner-Up Third 1961 Barry Briggs Peter Craven Ronnie Moore 1962 Peter Craven Barry Briggs Ronnie Moore 1963 Peter Craven Barry Briggs Nigel Boocock 1964 Barry Briggs Ken McKinlay Ron How 1965 Barry Briggs Nigel Boocock Ken McKinlay 1966 Barry Briggs Ivan Mauger Colin Pratt 1967 Barry Briggs Ivan Mauger Eric Boocock 1968 Ivan Mauger Barry Briggs Eric Boocock 1969 Barry Briggs Nigel Boocock Ronnie Moore 1970 Ivan Mauger Ronnie Moore Roy Trigg 1971 Ivan Mauger Barry Briggs Tony Lomas 1972 Ivan Mauger Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) If Batch did deliberately get 3rd, so what, as he broke no rule and it's happened plenty of times in the past. Back in the old style GP days where gate positions were determined by your finishing position in a previous race, hope that bit makes sense, plenty of riders slowed up to allow others go past. Tony Rickardson did it loads of times. The other thing to remember, if it was deliberate, that it would have been on team orders. Not his fault, just doing as he was told. Edited July 10, 2011 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 If Batch did deliberately get 3rd, so what, as he broke no rule and it's happened plenty of times in the past. Back in the old style GP days where gate positions were determined by your finishing position in a previous race, hope that bit makes sense, plenty of riders slowed up to allow others go past. Tony Rickardson did it loads of times. Precisely. The rule is that all riders must make a bona fide attempt to race. Yet we've seen it happen where riders used to drop points in GPs and World Championship rounds to get a better draw in the next heat/meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Neither could I. Batchelor will never be British Champion if you ask me. Very good. I hope you took my comment as a hypothetical situation, or are you assuming that, after watching Batchelor race for Australia, that I am stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNikeAguero Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) Has anyone seen Batchelor's scores in Poland this season. He is always scoring 10+ every meeting and getting nominated for 14 or 15. In his last meeting, 2,3,3,3,FX. He beat Gollob and Nicki Pedersen x2. Eddie Kennet scored 2 points in the same meeting. Batchelor's Results Across The Globe - Speedway Results - Troy Batchelor Tai Woffinden's Results Across The Globe - Speedway Results - Tai Woffinden Edited July 10, 2011 by KingKennethSpeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Very good. I hope you took my comment as a hypothetical situation, or are you assuming that, after watching Batchelor race for Australia, that I am stupid? I'll leave you to figure that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNikeAguero Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I'll leave you to figure that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_support_no_team Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Im not sure the aussies wanted to go straight through to the final, I think they would prefer to have the practice in the race-off. As for deliberately dropping points, maybe the aussies have learnt from a couple of years ago when one of the Poles (KK I think), let Crump go past on the line, only for the Poles to be able to use a tactical joker (brought in Hampel) that cost the aussies the World Cup. I have a question, how many tactical subs can be used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNikeAguero Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Im not sure the aussies wanted to go straight through to the final, I think they would prefer to have the practice in the race-off. As for deliberately dropping points, maybe the aussies have learnt from a couple of years ago when one of the Poles (KK I think), let Crump go past on the line, only for the Poles to be able to use a tactical joker (brought in Hampel) that cost the aussies the World Cup. I have a question, how many tactical subs can be used? 1 tactical sub for each rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_support_no_team Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 1 tactical sub for each rider. Thanks. Are they allowed at any stage of the meeting or are they the same as the use of jokers in that the team needs to be 6 or more behind the leader? If they are allowed at any stage of the meeting, is there a reluctance for a team manager to use them other than for the joker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I'll leave you to figure that one out. I thought as much. Hence my withdrawal from this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 I'll leave you to figure that one out. From the second I was born, I was named after a speedway rider (Greg Kentwell) of Halifax. I always found speedway people to be friendly. Until today. You, today, with your arrogance, have wholly ruined the myth to me that speedway people are a good bunch. A sad day indeed. Enjoy your goading and baiting and trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) From the second I was born, I was named after a speedway rider (Greg Kentwell) of Halifax. I always found speedway people to be friendly. Until today. You, today, with your arrogance, have wholly ruined the myth to me that speedway people are a good bunch. A sad day indeed. Enjoy your goading and baiting and trolling. Take a chill pill. The fact that you even had to ask whether it was a tongue in cheek comment or whether I thought you had watched Troy race for Australia and still thought he is British blows my mind. I would have thought it was obvious which one it was. Edited July 10, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 How?! Batchelor is better in all 3 leagues! Neither are world champion material but Batchelor is a better rider and the facts and stats back this up. Usual Wolves bias from you, again. And Troy is 3 years older and is still bearly ahead of Tai Usual anti wolves bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 And Troy is 3 years older and is still bearly ahead of Tai Usual anti wolves bias. Just ahead? Think you'll find in the two big leagues, Sweden and Poland, Batchelor is a different class to Tai. And on 2011 form alone in the British EL, Batchelor is almost a full point ahead of Tai (0.90 to be precise). Batchelor is a far better rider than Tai, at the moment. Will Tai ever become a better rider than Troy? Who knows. But ATM, Batchelor is by some distance a better rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Of course Batch was told to come in 3rd,the only prob he had was deciding how to to it,(i dont think he wanted to do it-he was told or persuded)ALSO how come AJ has got off scot free in chucking races,he was fully aware that sweden needed to finish second in that heat to be 6 points down but was clever enough to fool just about everyone.PLEASE go back and watch the b pedersen last bend overtake again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 i take it none of you were there or knew what was going on then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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