CrystalCastles Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Congratulations to Kyle on winning & Adam Allott & Todd for completing the top 3. Large crowd with some cracking racing between a very competitive field. Heat 12 sounded stonking. Hopefully Adam Roynon is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Anyone who was ther care to fill us in about how janno looked ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Jan o looked decent, lack of power to sam thou. Impressed considerin not rode for 19 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Jan o looked decent, lack of power to sam thou. Impressed considerin not rode for 19 years Thanks would be great to see him later in the season after a bit more practise . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Yeh for sure, was a bit rusty tonight but after more practice he will be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Jan O comfortably beaten by Sam but he did admit he really needed a bit more practice but he HAD to have his first race back in front if the Heathens. He made just one small mistake in one of his races. Other than that he was smooth and controlled. If you didn't know better you wouldn't know he is 48 and just back after 19 years on the side lines. What sort of injury average reduction would he qualify for? Good to see Sam not just rolling around too, although he did still have s bit to spare. I feel he could have gone a little faster without being on the limit. Re: the boos when it was announced Dudley Council were in attendance - it was from a relatively small number and quickly smoothered. Perhaps a little foolish but sports fans have been treated VERY badly by the Council so it was understandable. It soon turned to reasonably more applause that at least representatives had come along to ee the support still exists. Re: the crowd size - it was huge! I've been going to Monmore regularly since '98 and this is easily one of the biggest, if not the biggest, crowd in that time. Even Porky said he couldn't remember the last time so many people were there. It was like the good ol' days of Wolves v Cradley meetings when we stood shoulder-to-shoulder with no room to spread your wings. Re: the racing - it was magnificent. There were a number of fantastic races and many a race settled on the last turn, and several on the line. Royno and Herne or Kurtz and Worrall for race of the season? Hmmm I really can't decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 And Sam still thrashing the Heathens Gotta love it Tho I`m not quite sure i like the Heathens booing Sam AT the track he spent most of his career. Urry up and get your own place Good to hear that Dudley council representatives were there too (although they were there at the debut meeting too) and Porkie said that there may be hope yet. A GREAT crowd (tho to be fair most of the meetings i have been to the crowds have remained excellent) think Porkie said 3500 on the mic. The match races were great for nostalgia and SAM was just way too competitive and good to be touched. Jan O i perhaps expected a little more, only that people were raving of his clips on line and how good he looked, same style etc. Given it was his first competitive races i think he did very well and i`m sure if he really is serious about riding again he could do a decent job in the PL. Sam , however, could still do a job in the EL right now. Be very interesting to see how Jan O gets on and how his progression back into league racing goes - should he continue. Was quite a long winded night with half a dozen decent heats and plenty to keep the Dudley fans happy. Sad to see Roynon pull out after his 4th race crash. Hughes perhaps was the expected winner given his recent experience in the PL . And the Pork bap was lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Re: the crowd size - it was huge! I've been going to Monmore regularly since '98 and this is easily one of the biggest, if not the biggest, crowd in that time. Even Porky said he couldn't remember the last time so many people were there. It was like the good ol' days of Wolves v Cradley meetings when we stood shoulder-to-shoulder with no room to spread your wings. It was indeed a big crowd but didnt top SAM`s testimonial where you were literally nose to nose with people. Plus the play offs meetings id say easily equal that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 It was indeed a big crowd but didnt top SAM`s testimonial where you were literally nose to nose with people. Plus the play offs meetings id say easily equal that. True, at Sams testimonial they had to open the front of the pits and cram a number in there. However, its great to hear that the meeting was so well supported. Got to get Wolves and Cradley back in the same league, even if they share a track. Where there's a will, there's a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I would say it topped the PO meetings but would agree that Sam's meeting was right up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Judging by Sam's race times being on a par or slightly quicker than the NL boys, and Jan O being not too far behind, would it be fair to say Jan O may have struggled if he was in the meeting or would he have beaten most of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Heat 12 on Monday .... Kylmakorpi, Woodward, L Lindgren, Wells ... 57.17 Sam cruises to victory in 58 seconds .... He could still score well in the EL at 51 years young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wish people would get a grip. Ermolenko was a rider in huge decline the year he retired, which must be 6 or 7 years ago now. No way would he score big points in the EL now, a few against the dross at reserve maybe but thats about it. Pedersen hasnt had a competitive race for night on 20 years so Ermolenko should be beating him and it would be a total embarrasment if Jan O had beaten him. Lets also remember that this isnt the first time Ermolenko has taken part in match races since his retirement. Given more practice I'd imagine both will do a steady PL job, but scoring big points in the EL? LOL. Hilarious suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Judging by Sam's race times being on a par or slightly quicker than the NL boys, and Jan O being not too far behind, would it be fair to say Jan O may have struggled if he was in the meeting or would he have beaten most of them? That's a fair question. If he wanted to Sam could probably have beaten the field last night if he'd gated every time. Had he got caught in traffic it may well have been a different story though because there was some feisty action last night. And it's for that reason that I think suggesting Sam could still compete at EL level is a little over-ambitious. The raw pace is there on a clear track but a cut-and-thrust full EL meeting? It's academic anyway because he said last night that he's not racing competitively because "I don't want the left leg to look like the right one". A bit like Tatum when he packed it in he seems to have got to the point where the pain of injury was greater than the joy of racing. As for Jan O being able to compete at this level I would say that in the main part of the meeting he would probably have scored a few points and finished somewhere in the bottom 4(ish). However, Monmore is not the easiest track to make a competitive comeback on against a track specialist, and arguably its greatest ever rider. After 19 years Jan O rode smooth and steady with the exception of one small mistake on turn 1/2 lap 4 of his last ride which pushed him wide and allowed Sam to go clear after he had pretty much matched him for pace in that heat (having surprisingly missed the start). He was notably quicker in the third heat and I believe him when he says another three months practice would have been better. I think that if he can get enough track time over the next few months and the authorities are sensible with an assessed average for him he will prove worth a punt for a club in the PL. Wish people would get a grip. Ermolenko was a rider in huge decline the year he retired, which must be 6 or 7 years ago now. No way would he score big points in the EL now, a few against the dross at reserve maybe but thats about it. Pedersen hasnt had a competitive race for night on 20 years so Ermolenko should be beating him and it would be a total embarrasment if Jan O had beaten him. Lets also remember that this isnt the first time Ermolenko has taken part in match races since his retirement. Given more practice I'd imagine both will do a steady PL job, but scoring big points in the EL? LOL. Hilarious suggestion. Good post mate. I can't argue with any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 It was indeed a big crowd but didnt top SAM`s testimonial where you were literally nose to nose with people. Plus the play offs meetings id say easily equal that. Its called "looking thru green, red & white glasses" Steve I remember when it was confirmed that Dudley Wood was to go how the SS was full of letters from spoon fans stating how the sport would not survive without them, they were the Man Utd of speedway etc. Yet here we are 16 years later with a live Monday night spot every week, live Grand Prix's, & the odd live Premier League meeting, Pairs & Individual meeting being shown. Yes Cradley were a great team, but glamour club Wimbledon & Belle Vue at the old Hyde Road with the Zoo, fair and gardens were much bigger, and we have survived the loss of those as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Judging by Sam's race times being on a par or slightly quicker than the NL boys, and Jan O being not too far behind, would it be fair to say Jan O may have struggled if he was in the meeting or would he have beaten most of them? Sam was half coasting most of the time and pulling wheelies. Those times would have been quicker. Jan O was pretty close to Sam in the last heat. Both would have scored well if they had been in the full meeting IMHO. Wish people would get a grip. Ermolenko was a rider in huge decline the year he retired, which must be 6 or 7 years ago now. No way would he score big points in the EL now, a few against the dross at reserve maybe but thats about it. Pedersen hasnt had a competitive race for night on 20 years so Ermolenko should be beating him and it would be a total embarrasment if Jan O had beaten him. Lets also remember that this isnt the first time Ermolenko has taken part in match races since his retirement. Given more practice I'd imagine both will do a steady PL job, but scoring big points in the EL? LOL. Hilarious suggestion. Not sure many are saying either rider would score big points in the EL now. I certainly suggested Sam could still do a job in the EL even now. And i put that comment up against the consistencies that Wolves have in the lower end of the team. Sam could do just a decent job as we are currently getting , that is of course my opinion. Its called "looking thru green, red & white glasses" Steve Yes, i`m sure it is I heard some of the Cradley fans saying that Wolves dont get those sort of crowds and that it is now reffered to as Monmore Wood. If they dont go to Wolves meetings they wouldnt even know! I agree with 21st that it was a good crowd and quite possibly the biggest in the Dudley era. Certainly not the biggest crowd i`ve seen at Wolves. When at wolves i stand in the same place however i took in views on either end of the 1st and 4th bend on the main grandstand. There were plenty of standing places and quite a bit of open spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wish people would get a grip. Ermolenko was a rider in huge decline the year he retired, which must be 6 or 7 years ago now. No way would he score big points in the EL now, a few against the dross at reserve maybe but thats about it. Pedersen hasnt had a competitive race for night on 20 years so Ermolenko should be beating him and it would be a total embarrasment if Jan O had beaten him. Lets also remember that this isnt the first time Ermolenko has taken part in match races since his retirement. Given more practice I'd imagine both will do a steady PL job, but scoring big points in the EL? LOL. Hilarious suggestion. Who is saying he would score big points? He would still be capable of averaging 5-6pts. However, his body will not stand up to the demands of a full seasons racing. When interviewed on WM last night he explained as much. It wasn't the fact that he didn't want to ride anymore, or that he couldn't do it. He couldn't keep up the training required to stay fit enough for top flight racing. He suffered more injuries than most riders throughout his career. Very few have suffered the level of injuries he did and come back to be as good. In his last but one season (final for Wolves) at age 44 he was a heat leader, averaging nigh on 8, in a far tougher league. His final year at Peterboro he averaged about 6. He had a terrible spell where he barely scored for 4 or 5 meetings too as he tried to ride with an injury. He explained if his knees and ankles were ok, he would still be racing now, he clearly still loves it. Its hypothetical, but if that scenario had happened he would be an inconsistent rider, as he was in his final year. Capable of scoring big one meeting and very few the next. As for Jan O, I have heard some try to write him off already. Even the radio commentators were suggesting it was a bridge too far etc. However, as he said himself, he always knew he wasn't going to win a race last night. As you say Wanna, Sam has been racing a few times a year generally since his retirement. Jan O's not rode in a 'race' in 19 years. He will get there, he has to build up race fitness and get used to race conditions again. I truly hope he is able to enjoy a couple of years in the sport as it means so much to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netherton heathen Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 unless im getting my wires crossed ,The only reason it was rammed at Sams farewell was because Penhall was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 unless im getting my wires crossed ,The only reason it was rammed at Sams farewell was because Penhall was there. Yep.. your wires are crossed. Its fair to say, Jan O looks a lot better on a bike than Bruce did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Interesting quote from Gary Patchett on WM this lunch time "Its night,s like this that keep me sain,after all ive gone through with Birmingham and Swindon" Looks like a leopard dont change his spots,with his love for Heathens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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