home straight Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 No you misunderstand. The principle of laying down a bike becomes second nature to riders (not all, although it should) and it really isn't a big deal to drop a bike in an incident where you know you aren't going to get any points because a rider has nudged you off line. It's a split second decision, do you keep it upright, knowing you'll probably be last or drop it hoping for a second chance? It does happen. Of course it does. It makes me laugh that people are so naive that they don't believe it happens. If it didn't happen you wouldn't get riders accusing each other of doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Have you ever been to Tesco (other supermarkets are available), come home and said, "Tesco was packed!" It wasn't was it. Or bought something from a motorway services and said, "It's daylight robbery!" It isn't is it. Or watched your favourite rider score a maximum and said, "He's on fire!" I bet he wasn't. Maybe the commentators should have said, "Good crowd here this evening, it's 71.42% full, no question." safrican american safrican american I saw some others but not Middlo's. I guess that is where it started! I can just imagine Eddie seeing Chris walk in a set of doors and Eddie shout out - "BOMBER over here" You can imagine what happened next! I shouldnt giggle but it did make me *safrican american* just a little bit! safrican american safrican american safrican american Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Of course it does. It makes me laugh that people are so naive that they don't believe it happens. If it didn't happen you wouldn't get riders accusing each other of doing it. and we havent even discussed 'fake lifting' yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoLouBurn Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Homestraight and impartial one You may well be right and you are entitled to that opinion. I believe they wouldn't put themselves in danger and that is my opinion. I misunderstand nothing, there is nothing to misunderstand. Never been called naive before, thats kinda funny. Still opinion and entitled to springs to mind. When someone can prove putting the bike down on purpose for gain as fact then i'll accept that. Until then its only opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Homestraight and impartial one You may well be right and you are entitled to that opinion. I believe they wouldn't put themselves in danger and that is my opinion. I misunderstand nothing, there is nothing to misunderstand. Never been called naive before, thats kinda funny. Still opinion and entitled to springs to mind. When someone can prove putting the bike down on purpose for gain as fact then i'll accept that. Until then its only opinion. Well I've done it myself so that's how I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Homestraight and impartial one You may well be right and you are entitled to that opinion. I believe they wouldn't put themselves in danger and that is my opinion. I misunderstand nothing, there is nothing to misunderstand. Never been called naive before, thats kinda funny. Still opinion and entitled to springs to mind. When someone can prove putting the bike down on purpose for gain as fact then i'll accept that. Until then its only opinion. Proving you could lay the bike down used to be part of the process to get your licence (it may well still be?) It wasn't just a Costa Mesa thing. They wouldn't make inexperienced riders do it if it was that dangerous. I understand your point about you hurting your knee the one time you fell off but doing it on a road bike on tarmac is NOTHING like sliding off on dirt. Somebody slides off in the first turn in virtually every meeting, it really isn't a big deal in most cases. So doing it deliberately to get a tactical advantage isn't really a risk! I'm not suggesting every time is deliberate, just that it wouldn't be dangerous to attempt it. I've seen several meetings where a team have needed atleast a 3-3 in the last heat and if both riders have missed the gate and find themselves 5-1 down after the first turn, one of them has laid it down on the next turn with no one around them. They know they will get excluded but it gives their team mate another chance in the rerun. It also gives one set of fans someone to boo! Edited July 14, 2011 by coma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Homestraight and impartial one You may well be right and you are entitled to that opinion. I believe they wouldn't put themselves in danger and that is my opinion. I misunderstand nothing, there is nothing to misunderstand. Never been called naive before, thats kinda funny. Still opinion and entitled to springs to mind. When someone can prove putting the bike down on purpose for gain as fact then i'll accept that. Until then its only opinion. Ask a rider. Read a riders book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 7 races without an inside or outside gate? Fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam74 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 7 races without an inside or outside gate? Fair? We're no fast enough which ever gate we are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 We're no fast enough which ever gate we are off. Well, yes. But still! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 7 races without an inside or outside gate? Fair? I know they are blaming the overnight weather,but it looks like the track guy has had a day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I know they are blaming the overnight weather,but it looks like the track guy has had a day off. Disgraceful exclusion. Povazhny was in front, did NOT go to the fence. Jonsson had plenty of room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 7 races without an inside or outside gate? Fair? Not saying we wouldn't still be last but it seems a bit daft the way the gates are arranged throughout the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam74 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Disgraceful exclusion. Povazhny was in front, did NOT go to the fence. Jonsson had plenty of room. Absolutely. Roman did nothing wrong, he was infront can ride where he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Disgraceful exclusion. Povazhny was in front, did NOT go to the fence. Jonsson had plenty of room. agreed. Never an exclusion in a million years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Absolutely. Roman did nothing wrong, he was infront can ride where he likes. Sky commentators were pathetic. If that had been a british rider pushing Jonsson wide, no way would they have agreed with the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Disgraceful exclusion. Povazhny was in front, did NOT go to the fence. Jonsson had plenty of room. glad Im not the only one who thought that. I was surprised at the exclusion (Im watching on delay, only just got to it lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Disgraceful exclusion. Povazhny was in front, did NOT go to the fence. Jonsson had plenty of room. Why couldnt Povazhny have clumped Jonsson one,it would have been the highlight so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Absolutely. Roman did nothing wrong, he was infront can ride where he likes. Not really, if you know a rider is outside you and you rake him out to the fence it's dangerous riding. ................ Barker has just justified his inclusion. No further questions on that one. Edited July 14, 2011 by ImpartialOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_boon Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Barky! Barky! Barky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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