george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 If we all agreed on everything, wouldn't be much to discuss. Its all part of the fun and banter. No it isn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 You've got form, mate. I know your MO, and incidentally had it confirmed today by someone associated with the forum. I see your sense-of-umbrage app. is working well. You can throw all the insults you like, cupcake, it's like water off a Reptile's Scales to me! What insults ? intill you come along they were taking about speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Thought that was a pretty disappointing GP with little passing and effectively only 3 riders in each race with gate 1 being a graveyard. I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series, I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the semi-final stage and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. Edited June 25, 2011 by tocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Justgot back from a quite brilliant GP. Thought the racing was top drawer and the overall presentation excellent. Great racing throughout the meeting and a final to get the chins wagging. Thought the POles were not really on the pace today and Gollob must be ruing his indecisiveness. Chopping and changing his bikes again is NOT the behaviour of someone who is confident enough to maintian his time at the top. As for the final, I was sitting middle tier just in front of the starting gate and Stevey Wonder would have seen Emils huge roller. Justice was served by him losing it under severe pressure from Holder, but Noddy failed to get away cleanly in the rerun and that was that. Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Cardiff. Don't know how it compared to ast year as I missed it but bigger than 2 years ago. Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. So a cracking GP with some good racing all the way through. Gate 1 was obviously a problem all night but other than that no real complaints. Well done to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 What insults ? intill you come along they were taking about speedway There's at least two insults to the English language in your post, orion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumpiefan Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the final and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. my wife said to me after 12 heats that kolodziej was looking good. i agreed then glanced at my programme,saw he had two inside gates in his last two heats and immediately wrote him off. it is bad when one gate is so much worse than the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) You've got form, mate. I know your MO, and incidentally had it confirmed today by someone associated with the forum. I see your sense-of-umbrage app. is working well. You can throw all the insults you like, cupcake, it's like water off a Reptile's Scales to me! I have thrown no insults, unless its an insult to ask you to actually offer up an opinion on a subject you have once again invaded. I've not called a group of people 'pompous prats' for having the audacity to discuss a speedway race. As for your accusation of me having 'form' and an 'MO', its news to me. If a forum moderator has a problem then shouldn't they be addressing that matter with me? Unlike you I have never been banned from this forum, or indeed come close to being so, thus I will treat your accusatory comments with the disdain that they deserve. We've enjoyed a superb GP today with a large number of talking points. Many of which were being debated until you decided to launch your attack. Back to the GP itself, I must say I am beginning to grow in admiration for Chris Holder. He is fast becoming one of the most entertaining riders in the GP. His ride around the outside today when he was almost ducking under his handlebars was superb. One of those riders who does things that nobody else does. Edited June 25, 2011 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumpiefan Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Justgot back from a quite brilliant GP. Thought the racing was top drawer and the overall presentation excellent. Great racing throughout the meeting and a final to get the chins wagging. Thought the POles were not really on the pace today and Gollob must be ruing his indecisiveness. Chopping and changing his bikes again is NOT the behaviour of someone who is confident enough to maintian his time at the top. As for the final, I was sitting middle tier just in front of the starting gate and Stevey Wonder would have seen Emils huge roller. Justice was served by him losing it under severe pressure from Holder, but Noddy failed to get away cleanly in the rerun and that was that. Biggest crowd I have ever seen at Cardiff. Don't know how it compared to ast year as I missed it but bigger than 2 years ago. Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. So a cracking GP with some good racing all the way through. Gate 1 was obviously a problem all night but other than that no real complaints. Well done to all. i like holder too,but did you see as soon as he finished the final his hands were up in the air as if complaining to the ref? as he said later the final produced two very tough first bends but nothing more than he expected surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Lots of Poles there but they soon fell silent. ONe thing that did suprise me was the amount of support Holder actually has there from neutrals. After Harris and Nicholls, Holder clearly the most popular rider there (after the Poles fell silent) judging by the crowds reaction to when his name was mentioned. His very likeable personality is clearly popular with the majority of fans who seem to like the way he behaves and goes about things. I for one hope he doesn't change. Its not surprising Steve, I allude to it in my post above. He has a very exciting riding style, has you on the edge of your seat the whole time. He also does (most of the time) come across very well when interviewed. The heat must be getting to me as I am seriously starting to warm to him, in GP's at least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) These tapes are stupid Nicki ran into them aswell. There must be some sort of error. Im sending an email to the FIM Speedway Body and asking for a full investigation. I really really hope you are kidding What a farce. All 4 back, surely? What a <unacceptable language removed> this referee is! amen to that...... it took years for this ref to improve.... but still he isnt half the ref that he ought to be...... it was as clear an unsatisfactory start as it ever could be and he really needs to be brought to task over why not only did he allow it to run but why ultimately he had a hand in spoiling the finale of the night Thanks to Sky for bringing us the meeting but......an evening of returning to the bad old days (only last year) by being clueless of riders already out of the semi-finals and unaware of those already qualified has just hilariously been topped by.......despite not riding in the meeting Artem Laguta in their overall standings has gone from 10 points to 30!!! UPDATE That last blooper might not have been Sky's as the new graphics they just put up has Laguta correct. Still quite unforgivable their earlier muddles though lol. MP they have been doing this for as long as I can remember...... On one hand I can understand why it happens when they have so much going on to listen to in their headphones and comment on in general but on the other hand how much would it cost to hire a programmer to devise a program that makes it all very obvious in big bright squares? One laptop with a spreadsheet on it isnt enough while they have to carry out the rest of their duties....... They need a few screens to show the relevant info required in clear form I came to the conclusion a couple of years ago that it will never change ..and now my world on gp night is a more stress free place No he wouldn't. Pedersen had next to zero chance of winning the final from gate 1, he rode a superb 1st turn to give him a chance to do it, and in fact managed to get 2nd place. No complaints from the other riders either. Don't understand how some are moaning to be honest. Thoroughly enjoyed that meeting and there was some absoulutely fantastic cut throat racing. Now me and Mr Pedersen are like chalk and cheese...... Overall I do not respect him as a rider or his approach............. BUT I have to say he was quality on the night and his aggression was fitting on a track where every inch had to be fought for......... he was clearly not alone in this approach I don't think he did anything wrong in the final and if anything should be commended for what he achieved from gate 1 and for helping to make it a final that will last long in the memory If carnage had happened then the fingers might have rightly been pointed in his direction ... but the fact remains that Greg obviously had room ... and consequently so did Noddy (hmmm defending Nicki............. nurse!) first ever post on here welcome to the forum I agree about gate one. It realised just 12 points from 20 outings during the heats, one of which came as a result of another rider being excluded, then a third in the second semi and second in the final both with only three riders in each. I have to say that, if I was in charge of this series, I would want to take the track curators to task as to why the circuit was so poorly prepared. Also, not a single rider who had more than one outing from this gate made it to the semi-final stage and, if I were Janus Kolodziej, I would be a very unhappy man just now. It certainly did for his evening to finish with back to back last places. An absolute disgrace. and I guess the bit in bold is a damning verdict in itself....... this is where in the name of fairness it helps to have a random draw so that those unlucky enough to pull the duff gate twice can only curse bad luck........... but ultimately it doesnt solve the issue What I know about track prep could be written on a postage stamp ......but I do find it staggering that after all these years of speedway, it is still so hit and miss to the extent that an inside gate traditionally known for being more dominant than not... can be so woefully duff Edited June 25, 2011 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Great win for Old Greg, and a pick-up at the bookies on Monday. Fully deserved for the top points scorer, and well received by the British fans, for the popular Californian. Bomber unfortunately only one heat win for the 2 Brits, Tai unlucky. Dissappointment for the thousands of noisy Poles. brawl between English and Poles broke out by us and the police and stewards soon moved in to sort it out. Great atmosphere again, probably the biggest crowd I've seen at Cardiff. Well-organised at Cardiff Central station. Great day out, I'm still deaf. Edited June 25, 2011 by keef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Great win for Old Greg, and a pick-up at the bookies on Monday. Fully deserved for the top points scorer, and well received by the British fans, for the popular Californian. Bomber unfortunately only one heat win for the 2 Brits, Tai unlucky. Dissappointment for the thousands of noisy Poles. brawl between English and drunken Poles broke out by us and the police and stewards soon moved in to sort it out. Great atmosphere again, probably the biggest crowd I've seen at Cardiff. Well-organised at Cardiff Central station. Great day out, I'm still deaf. the polish fans were not to blame for the brawl ,the british yobs were throwing beer over the poles for a few races ,yes the poles were noisey but were having harmless fun ,the shamefull british few were just looking for trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) the polish fans were not to blame for the brawl ,the british yobs were throwing beer over the poles for a few races ,yes the poles were noisey but were having harmless fun ,the shamefull british few were just looking for trouble A lot of British fans had moved away from the area, and the police only ejected 1 Pole who came them came back in and started threatening a British fan. Was quickly ejected again. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other probably. The 5 Brits in the back row involved in the fight didn't have drinks in their hands. It was handbags anyway. Added to the excitement. This type of behaviour should be reserved for the football yobs, not at a speedway meeting. It was sparked-off by a poor Gollob ride in one heat, and the fanatical Poles probably got upset at the Brits taunts. Edited June 26, 2011 by keef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 the police only ejected 1 Pole Clearly it must have been our bobbies from the north limbering up for the Highland Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I really really hope you are kidding Now me and Mr Pedersen are like chalk and cheese...... Overall I do not respect him as a rider or his approach............. welcome to the forum (quote] Nikki is a rider we all want to see. He gives 100% so to critise is poor. he yields to nobody so what. Great rider and a crowd favorite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukesGreg Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Just got back home from a really enjoyable day out at Cardiff... and am looking forward to catching the Sky-laden commentary on a second viewing tomorrow... though thanks for the heads up on the usual suspects and their tiny gaffes!! Typically, a gaters paradise early doors, but the track provided some great races as the meeting went on, Sayfutdinov from the back on Crump a superb race and would befit any meeting. To say the circuit is short (56 seconds the average) and indoor, it is an entertaining night out in general.. and the Final result left most people happy with the outcome once it became evident that the local lads were off the pace. Good to see Wuffy do well in his race, the ifs and buts about him will continue, and his validity to race, I like the kid but the fact remains he was actually Wild Carded to the British Final and fluffed that after being devastating all night, but it will all be a learning curve for Tai, what doesn't break you makes you stronger and all that. I think Tai would be so much better in the Series this year, his time in it was the wrong year, but prospect wise the kid will be back.. and soon I hope. Nice touch by Zorro Zetterstrom after his Semi-Final race tonight. Placed third, he still came round and applauded the Cardiff fans, showing his appreciation, and doing some donuts on the home straight... a tiny farewell no doubt to the fans there, he got his chance to do a full meet tonight and it's highly unlikely that he'll be seen here again... so a lovely moment. Gollob underachieving, Hancock winning, Holder racking up more points after a disastrous start, the scene set nicely for the rest of the season, Gollob won't be this bad again, Hancock proving now that he's got the consistency in his winning game... it looks like we're in for some fun. I loved the day and the meet... now... come on Sky, show me your version of events, entertain me after me long drive home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) Thanks to Sky for bringing us the meeting but......an evening of returning to the bad old days (only last year) by being clueless of riders already out of the semi-finals and unaware of those already qualified has just hilariously been topped by.......despite not riding in the meeting Artem Laguta in their overall standings has gone from 10 points to 30!!! UPDATE That last blooper might not have been Sky's as the new graphics they just put up has Laguta correct. Still quite unforgivable their earlier muddles though lol. MP they have been doing this for as long as I can remember...... On one hand I can understand why it happens when they have so much going on to listen to in their headphones and comment on in general but on the other hand how much would it cost to hire a programmer to devise a program that makes it all very obvious in big bright squares? One laptop with a spreadsheet on it isnt enough while they have to carry out the rest of their duties....... They need a few screens to show the relevant info required in clear form I came to the conclusion a couple of years ago that it will never change ..and now my world on gp night is a more stress free place For me personally, as it has been for many years, it was stress free. Thanks to my home-made spreadsheet i have always been, and clearly STILL am, light years ahead of Sky when it comes to the various permutations in play. It gives a huge added boost to the enjoyment when one is aware of the significance of every point. Due to the amount of tasks they have to do, i've rarely put the blame on the commentators. In the past it was clear they were repeatedy being fed erroneous information or none at all. I was always critical of the fact that they apparently didn't have a backroom staff member to keep the scores and feed that through to the commentators. None of it is rocket science it's very simple basic maths and count back on number of wins and second places etc. I have also been very critical of the fact that it is easy to cobble together a speadsheet that WORKS and provides ALL the important info at a glance, yet they don't seem to have one that does the job, or alternatively it's a case of they can't type in the race results correctly!!!. There is no need for mental arithmetic or manually working out what's what. For years i've used my own interactive speadsheet and have been miles ahead of the Sky team. Fill in the race result 3,2,1,0 (and whatever letters you use to denote exclusions, falls and engine failures etc.) and the spreadsheet automatically updates the meeting and series standings. In addition to the set rider order, as per printed programme, the rider score grid is also displayed after each race in points order. Riders who are level on points are further sorted by race wins, second and third places as well as non-finishers which counts below a fourth place in a tiebreaker. A rider's acccumulative meeting and series points is shown next to them for every race. Hell, it even automatically fills in the draw order for the semi-finals, so that eradicates that particular hurdle for the Sky team. As far as i am aware Sam Ermolenko is in charge of the spreadsheet they use. He certainly plugs it frequently enough. The year before and last year was farcical with absolute howlers being made. They had no clue about the significance of the last round of races (and earlier ones) for individual riders. They again and again gave incorrect information on the qualification scenarios and were oblivious to exciting stakes within races. All of which meant most of the viewers at home were too. It transpired after one infamous mix up that the software makers blamed Sam for putting in the wrong information when the Sky team had prattled away about a semi-final qualifier only to be startled he wasn't there to pick up his gate card as he hadn't qualified. I've mentioned at least a couple of times this season in these forums that this year Sky seemed to have really improved in their awareness of what is at stake in races and also giving us timely and correct information. They have been getting the scores right and knowing most of the time what is at stake for a rider in a race. However, tonight was truly awful. Such very important information about who is out of the running for the semi-finals and who has already qualified etc. I'm fairly sure nobody involved in the main Sky broadcasting team ever reads these threads (hmmmm so that's why they never took me up on my free offer of my spreadsheet lol), but maybe Flagrag who seems to have tons of inside knowledge can enlighten us? He's a regular poster here. 1.What on earth is going on why can't they have a grasp of the simple knowledge as to who is already out of the running and who has already qualified for the semi-finals?. 2.Why do they throughout the meeting get the overall standings and so many other things wrong that with the aid of a speadsheet should be in plain view?. 3.Do they not use the speadsheet anymore or are they failing to pass on the information to the commentators and leaving it for them to work out themselves?. 4.Where are you Flagrag please clarify? lol. Edited June 26, 2011 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) MP we have all had spreadsheets that do this for for years ..... what we don't have to do at the same time though is look at the track... look at our screens .... listen to the producer in our ears and then also commentate It's enough to drive anyone insane... let alone inhibit them from making sense.... the point is though that our excel masterpieces are not enough.... they are too small... too fiddly and all those races where every point is vital requires a little calculation which quite frankly they dont have time or concentration for .......... I find myself lost in my monitor screen, comparing wins, 2nds, head to heads etc and suddenly realise that a race is about to start...... good job I didnt have to shout any woo's or wuffy wuffy wuffy's at the same time! re: Sam Ermo ... yes he uses a Kandysoft spreadsheet (the plug I believe you are referring to) but I doubt that what he is doing is being seen by Kelvin or Nigel.... there is probably more chance that they are following the score updates on speedwayworld.tv... or filling their own spreads and stress..... i think you missed my point......... I was talking about this Someone update Sky that Gollob is out. UPDATE Oh for goodness sake Sky get your act together, they still a race later not got a clue. Gollob is ALREADY OUT! Zetterstrom was ALREADY ahead of Gollob with more second places. Additionally Holder HAS qualified, they might not tell you that or know it. Also, Crump had qualified too because of having beat Kolodziej earlier in the meeting. I know the annoyance over this only too well..... The master of getting it wrong or not having it worked out was Tony Millard they look as close to solving the problem as they did 10 years ago....... I really really hope you are kidding Now me and Mr Pedersen are like chalk and cheese...... Overall I do not respect him as a rider or his approach............. welcome to the forum Nikki is a rider we all want to see. He gives 100% so to critise is poor. he yields to nobody so what. Great rider and a crowd favorite that is some creative editing there Mark I didnt criticise.. you need to read my post again No one is immune from criticism though....... doesn't it all depend on what they have done? I know some of my favourites over the years have visited the dark side at times Edited June 26, 2011 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohakea Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I went to my first Grand Prix at Cardiff. I and three others were behind a group of Polish speedway fans having a good time, there were a group of English fans sitting behind a few row back on the 3rd and 4th bend right at the top. A few bits of rubish were thrown by the30/40 yr old English fans at the Poles which were the ignored and they carried on having a good time. Then an empty glass was thrown at the Poles and the Poles threw it back then the English fan threw a full glass of beer all over the Poles who then retaliated and a fight started.The Police came and escorted the English fans out into the street gutters where they came from. Where is this post leading to Yes they were Dudley Heathen fans i was ashamed to be a British fan the Poles were no trouble but the Dudley fans were drunk, so drunk two were left sitting next to us fell asleep for the last 6 heats. Also i was at Buxton when the trouble started there I was in the pits and saw and heard everything. Im sorry to say i was a contract rider for Cradley Heath in the early 70s. These new breed of fans belong at Football matches NOT speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Bjerre needs to be in the NL then. Runner up = 1st loser. pedersen AND bjerre. Split loyalties or what? What does that make slow Freddie then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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