stevebrum Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Good performance from Nicki P but he went a bit crazy in his last heat. Bjerre has been top notch and he looks very quick. Lindgren looks lost with the big GP boys, maybe he should ride in the EL vs riders like Richard Lawson and Richard Sweetman. Bjerre needs to be in the NL then. Nicki P rode very well to get 2nd place. Can't wait to congratulate him on Monday. Runner up = 1st loser. pedersen AND bjerre. Split loyalties or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 How do you know that ? what we do know is that not one rider won from gate 1 but nicki was very close to doing so .by pushing the riders wide . I don't it's just an opinion, your Honour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondsRock Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Good point, most of his naff'ness is because he gets OTT trying to flog a dead horse by trying to claim a good race was a superb race, that a boring meeting is a great meeting.. he seems to assume his viewers are blind and not watching TV, he can get away with it on radio, not on TV. Stick to his job of commentating like most other sports commentators and he will only be half as awful as he usually is. What really upset me this evening is when he shouted 'let the crowd' bring up Chris Harris I think it was when he won, rather than get to hear the air horns and the atmosphere, prattling Pearson ruined it by shouting 'woooooo'. He's got nothing on this guy though! Good win for Greg! Would be great if he won the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 A simple way to finish 3rd for sure. As it was, he made a brilliant 1st turn to secure 2nd and but for an amazing move by Hancock, would have won the GP. Had Holder been of gate 1 he would have done exactly the same thing. If there wasn't an air fence he'd still be going straight on now! His mentality is to stop others and if he hadn't been so focussed on doing so and turned left sooner he'd already moved Holder out far enough and Hancock at the same time. I'm not saying he should have turned left immediately on bend one, I'm saying that once he'd moved them out if he'd turned left sooner he'd already done enough damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 If there wasn't an air fence he'd still be going straight on now! His mentality is to stop others and if he hadn't been so focussed on doing so and turned left sooner he'd already moved Holder out far enough and Hancock at the same time. I'm not saying he should have turned left immediately on bend one, I'm saying that once he'd moved them out if he'd turned left sooner he'd already done enough damage. Funny, yet on my screen he turned the corner, one guy still had the room to go round him and Pedersen finished 2nd when pretty much everybody in the country probably had him pegged to come 3rd in that race. You clearly fail to understand that coming from gate 1,entering the corner at the angle he did (which was the only way from that gate he could do anything) and then moving the riders out, to turn back as you suggested would involved him turning sharply and losing all speed. Very little grip on that part of the track too. Holder and Hancock would both have simply hit the dirt and swept by down the straight. We saw time and time again tonight riders do what you suggested, especially on the first bends and they lost all momentum and ended up at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Funny, yet on my screen he turned the corner, one guy still had the room to go round him and Pedersen finished 2nd when pretty much everybody in the country probably had him pegged to come 3rd in that race. You clearly fail to understand that coming from gate 1,entering the corner at the angle he did (which was the only way from that gate he could do anything) and then moving the riders out, to turn back as you suggested would involved him turning sharply and losing all speed. Very little grip on that part of the track too. Holder and Hancock would both have simply hit the dirt and swept by down the straight. We saw time and time again tonight riders do what you suggested, especially on the first bends and they lost all momentum and ended up at the back. Oh I give up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 If he'd focussed on turn round bends 1 and 2 a bit sharper he would have stood a much better chance than the tactic he chose. Not really. He was off the worst grid against 2 riders who had looked faster than him all night. Has he ridden around the line like a good boy he would have been passed by Holder and Hancock coming out of turn 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Oh I give up! It's probably for the best. BWitcher has got it spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Oh I give up! When you wrong like you are here ...it's always the best course of action . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Has he ridden around the line like a good boy <unacceptable language removed> Try reading all the posts! If he'd turned left SOONER, i.e. earlier then he did, not earlier coming out bend one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 <unacceptable language removed> Try reading all the posts! If he'd turned left SOONER, i.e. earlier then he did, not earlier coming out bend one! Ah, and thus giving Hancock and Holder all the room they wanted to sweep by even faster? Good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Ah, and thus giving Hancock and Holder all the room they wanted to sweep by even faster? Good idea. Nope! Nice try! Given up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 <unacceptable language removed> Try reading all the posts! If he'd turned left SOONER, i.e. earlier then he did, not earlier coming out bend one! Amazingly enough Pedersen's job was to win. Now I am no fan but tonight he did nothing wrong.....................apart from not win the final because as much as I dislike him 14/1 was too good to turn down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Nobody has considered that Holder might have been at fault because, clearly, he wasn't. Really ? Pedersen gave him a slight nudge but boy did he go wide and for someone with the bike skills that he very clearly has then I found that very suprising. Personally having had the benefits of dozens of replays I would have said thta if anyone should go it would have been Holder Just an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Amazingly enough Pedersen's job was to win. Now I am no fan but tonight he did nothing wrong.....................apart from not win the final because as much as I dislike him 14/1 was too good to turn down Amazingly enough my point at the very start of all this was that he could have won the final! Amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josietoms Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I take it George M is a perfossional speedway rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Amazingly enough my point at the very start of all this was that he could have won the final!Amazing! What is amazing is that you believe he had any chance at all if he had followed your suggestion. The only way he would have won by following your suggestion is if Holder and Hancock ran into each other or both their bikes failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Really ? Pedersen gave him a slight nudge but boy did he go wide and for someone with the bike skills that he very clearly has then I found that very suprising. Personally having had the benefits of dozens of replays I would have said thta if anyone should go it would have been Holder Just an opinion Of course, he went wide for exactly the same reason as Pedersen went wide in the re-run, to try and stop the run of the guy on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Nope! Nice try! Given up! As I said it's for the best if you do because it sounds like you're about to have a stroke. How soon should he have turned back? Either way by locking up and turning back on a slick track on a slow bike he would have allowed the fast boys with their wheels in line to go around him. Talking of going a round, it's mine. i need to concentrate on the beer and try not to spill any over my big Aussie buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 As I said it's for the best if you do because it sounds like you're about to have a stroke. How soon should he have turned back? Either way by locking up and turning back on a slick track on a slow bike he would have allowed the fast boys with their wheels in line to go around him. Talking of going a round, it's mine. i need to concentrate on the beer and try not to spill any over my big Aussie buddy Think you've had a few too many already! I take it George M is a perfossional speedway rider. Nope! Are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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