nw42 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 That you were offended by our armed forces attendance I find quite incredible! My wife's job is to take care of those who have lost their sight whilst in the line of duty, protecting innocent people across the world not always from their own country. You should have spent the day with me yesterday. Whilst you were enjoying yourself, I was helping to raise funds for War Blinded at her work. To give these boys and girls a half decent life once they can no longer earn money due to their disability. Have you ever spoken to someone who's lost half their face protecting others? Or someone who's lost their legs/arms or worse? It is the most humbling of experiences and simply leaves you feeling totally inadequate. These boys and girls make these appearances to let them enjoy a bit of civilian life and it allows members of the public like me, to go up to them, shake their hand and thank them for what they do. I find that experience rewarding, as do they. When was the last time you defused an unexploded bomb, with a picture of your wife and kids in your top pocket? They have every right to be at event like this, whether they've done so of their own choice in their own time or been invited/told to be there. Whilst they put their life on the line, and the potential misery of their loved ones, some people can pontificate about the rights and wrongs of their existence in public places through their keyboard. When in their presence, I get a sense of perspective. Militarisation of everyday life? Have a word with yourself and join the real world instead of over dramatising and scare mongering! I am 100% proud of our boys and girls, every single one of them! No, you are not stupid. You are utterly insensitive, lack understanding and out of touch with the real world. Well said Sir. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Militarisation of everyday life? Have a word with yourself and join the real world instead of over dramatising and scare mongering! I am 100% proud of our boys and girls, every single one of them! No, you are not stupid. You are utterly insensitive, lack understanding and out of touch with the real world. Seconded Im pretty sure there has always been an armed forces presence at Cardiff - guys abseiling from the roof springs to mind from one year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 A while ago, a westminster politician declared that internet forum sites were the meeting place for all the whingers of the world. How true that often appears to be. I am sure an exit poll conducted last night would have concluded from the overwhelming majority of the 30 odd thousand fans that a thoroughly marvellous time had been had by all. Yet, an infinitesimal minority will infest this site on their mission to recruit new members into their 'World of Complete Misery' club. What the hell is there not to like about Cardiff? It's a spectacle to match almost any sporting event in this country which is remarkable for a sport which otherwise suffers from such a low profile. If you don't like Cardiff - don't go to it, or watch it on tv - and stop boring the rest of us us to death with negative and unhelpful balderdash. Great post! Couldn't have put it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeanti Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Lastly I shall upset the "our Armed forces are wonderful" brigade. I was offended and worried that members of the armed forces were on parade. Forces representing violence should have no place in peace time entertainment other than in specific military shows. My fear is that with the increased use of military personnel in uniform, it will be more usual to them on the streets patrolling than police officers. By all means call me stupid, and I know there those who will, but I am concerned that this is the beginning of a militarisation of everyday life. What an absolutely horrendous comment! If it wasn't for these guys in millitary uniform you would have no "peace time" entertainment to sit and moan about/enjoy. Get back into your cage! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 For the first time I was really disappointed with the whole thing. For some reason it all seemed a bit flat - very little in the way of atmosphere, not the best racing and as for the "entertainment", least said the better. In fact, the only enjoyable part of the day (for me) was listening to the Magoos in the Fanzone. If you want decent pre meeting entertainment BSI, I suggest you look at bringing in this group from the Fanzone. I have seen every Cardiff GP except the first and for the first time am seriously considering whether I want to go again. This indecision is nothing to do with Cardiff itself but with the way that last night's meeting was presented and the general poor standard of racing. There are many who have said, and will continue to say, that you are going to watch speedway and not the "entertainment" and in a small way they are correct. Speedway itself was designed as a new form of entertainment and not as a sport - as such, it achieved a great deal of success but then it started to take itself seriously and that, IMO, is when the rot started. However, returning to the pre match entertainment, there are many who do not wish to sit in pubs until the last minute, those with children and those who just prefer to be in the stadium early to avoid a crush. Should these people have to sit around for an hour or more twiddling their thumbs purely because they do not, or cannot, drink themselves thionk in a crowded bar? Lastly I shall upset the "our Armed forces are wonderful" brigade. I was offended and worried that members of the armed forces were on parade. Forces representing violence should have no place in peace time entertainment other than in specific military shows. My fear is that with the increased use of military personnel in uniform, it will be more usual to them on the streets patrolling than police officers. By all means call me stupid, and I know there those who will, but I am concerned that this is the beginning of a militarisation of everyday life. Not offended by your comments in any way Old Saint. I just profoundly disagree with them. Our Military are very necessary in this day and age when Terrorism across the World is rife. If the Security risk is deemed by those who decide these things to require an Army/Navy/Air Force presence, then I personally would be glad to see them. I would also feel a lot safer because of them. I do not believe that this sort of thing will lead to the militarization of our Streets - it is just taking sensible precautions - that is all. Imagine if there HAD been an incident and there were no Troops present - the General Public would be demanding to know why they were not being protected - justifiably so in my opinion. The more protection the better as far as I am concerned. You are though, entitled to your opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Perhaps Old saint should not go to Wimbledon tennis then. The forces have helped with administration at this tournament ever since I have being going there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Holder vs Sayfutdinov reminded me a little of Penhall vs Olsen in 1981. Two riders rearing all over the track, but somehow keeping the gas on, and providing an incredible race in the process. Of course, it's not quite the same, because the whole World Championship wasn't on the line in that race last night, but still stunning speedway that you want to show your friends and say "And that's speedway!!" All the best Rob I wondered when somebody was going to bring that up Spectacular race that was, just the Same as Knudsen Penhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Yeah just under 38000 like 25000. The place holds 72,500 and was no way near half full. I only watch on TV true but I have eyes. Any crowd figures related to speedway in this country should always be viewed with suspicion. Even in the days of the '40000+ crowd I doubt many really believed that. In the decade it's held the SGP I doubt there has been more than 40 on more than 1 or 2 occasions. Bout time you started using them then. I WAS there, unlike you and Philip's stalker iris123, and the figures just about stack up. Spaces in the lower level on the 3rd/4th bend, but much more tickets sold this year in the upper tiers, especially on the back straight. If you don't want to believe things, don't make a mug of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 wish I had 10p for every time kelvin said slammed the door shut or I have to say. Millionaire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Bout time you started using them then. I WAS there, unlike you and Philip's stalker iris123, and the figures just about stack up. Spaces in the lower level on the 3rd/4th bend, but much more tickets sold this year in the upper tiers, especially on the back straight. If you don't want to believe things, don't make a mug of yourself. You are boring mate.Get a life.I have made many many posts here agreeing with Philip.Just because over the past few days i have disagreed doesn't make me a stalker and doesn't mean later on today or tomorrow i won't be back agreeing with him.I have nothing personal against him and by stating that an article in a magazine questioned where they got the crowd figures from or quoting Crumps Swedish averages i am using published facts and opinions from other sources,not the stuff like your opinions As it happens from the couple of threads where we disagreed i think iam right in saying i posted before Philip,so if you have some proof of what you are accusing me of put up or please shut up or maybe i will break the habit of a lifetime and report a post Edited August 26, 2012 by iris123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 For the first time I was really disappointed with the whole thing. For some reason it all seemed a bit flat - very little in the way of atmosphere, not the best racing and as for the "entertainment", least said the better. In fact, the only enjoyable part of the day (for me) was listening to the Magoos in the Fanzone. If you want decent pre meeting entertainment BSI, I suggest you look at bringing in this group from the Fanzone. I have seen every Cardiff GP except the first and for the first time am seriously considering whether I want to go again. This indecision is nothing to do with Cardiff itself but with the way that last night's meeting was presented and the general poor standard of racing. There are many who have said, and will continue to say, that you are going to watch speedway and not the "entertainment" and in a small way they are correct. Speedway itself was designed as a new form of entertainment and not as a sport - as such, it achieved a great deal of success but then it started to take itself seriously and that, IMO, is when the rot started. However, returning to the pre match entertainment, there are many who do not wish to sit in pubs until the last minute, those with children and those who just prefer to be in the stadium early to avoid a crush. Should these people have to sit around for an hour or more twiddling their thumbs purely because they do not, or cannot, drink themselves thionk in a crowded bar? Lastly I shall upset the "our Armed forces are wonderful" brigade. I was offended and worried that members of the armed forces were on parade. Forces representing violence should have no place in peace time entertainment other than in specific military shows. My fear is that with the increased use of military personnel in uniform, it will be more usual to them on the streets patrolling than police officers. By all means call me stupid, and I know there those who will, but I am concerned that this is the beginning of a militarisation of everyday life. Get a grip will you. It's great to see 'our' soldiers being given the priviledge to take part in such a festival of sport. If it wasn't for the racing, the stadium, the fireworks, the parking, the hotels, the campsites, the bloody Poles, the announcers, the programme and now the military invasion in sport, some folks would still find something to bloody moan about. You are boring mate.Get a life.I have made many many posts here agreeing with Philip.Just because over the past few days i have disagreed doesn't make me a stalker and doesn't mean later on today or tomorrow i won't be back agreeing with him.I have nothing personal against him and by stating that an article in a magazine questioned where they got the crowd figures from or quoting Crumps Swedish averages i am using published facts and opinions from other sources,not the stuff like your opinions Love you too. You can take the man out of Millwall, but you can't take the Millwall out of the man. I'd believe Philip before you anytime. And this isn't the first time you have had a go at him, me or a couple of others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Totally enjoyed the meeting and the build up...........pity the rest of the weekend was a disaster.........82 photos on my phone to sort out too.......... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Love you too. You can take the man out of Millwall, but you can't take the Millwall out of the man. I'd believe Philip before you anytime. And this isn't the first time you have had a go at him, me or a couple of others. Been here for years disagreed with loads of posts and posters.have you always agreed with everyone?Not from my memory and seems quite often start calling people names.....so i refer you to my previous post,put up or please shut up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Some people on here need to get some therapy. Either that, we've been invaded by morons!!! Another great weekend, great to meet up with old pals and meet new ones.. Bagpuss, Blazeaway, Dietbowers, Phillipop and Shovvy too. Orion went missing apparently having to go and move his van..... Well deserved winner in Holder. My highlight was KK getting second..Woohoo! Getting ready to get the tickets sorted for next year when the new date is announced. Edited August 26, 2012 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Get a grip will you. It's great to see 'our' soldiers being given the priviledge to take part in such a festival of sport. If it wasn't for the racing, the stadium, the fireworks, the parking, the hotels, the campsites, the bloody Poles, the announcers, the programme and now the military invasion in sport, some folks would still find something to bloody moan about. And with a roof they can't moan about the weather either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Some people on here need to get some therapy. Either that, we've been invaded by morons!!! Another great weekend, great to meet up with old pals and meet new ones.. Well deserved winner in Holder. My highlight was KK getting second..Woohoo! Getting ready to get the tickets sorted for next year when the new date is announced. My highlight was meeting you!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 My highlight was meeting you!! I got to give her one as well..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 My highlight was meeting you!! Aaaww I got to give her one as well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) PASSING, in my opinion, isn't the b-all and end-all of great speedway. Bernie Ecclestone said much the same thing, but the public and television companies eventually said otherwise ;-) I'd agree that good race doesn't necessarily have passing, but if there's little passing in any race then I do think that's a concern. Over the years the philosophy has remained the same, although for a while some quite high profile performers were booked until the fees demanded grew out of proportion. Why would the fees for disparate artists grow out of proportion? I think it's more likely the available budget for things decreased. Sad that Sky didn't show the presentation. It seems to be the norm for them. Cannot imagine that happening at soccer or cricket. Unfortunately, it puts the relative importance of speedway into context. Edited August 26, 2012 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasseHolmqvist Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Mr Holder may have been top dog yesterday but he is getting slaughtered in Poland today on his own track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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