waco Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Got to agree with Shadders and Pongo( but i would wouldnt i..} Back in the old days when speedway was run properly and individual meetings were run where the winner was the highest scorer after 20 heats of racing you got a fare result on the night.. Modern formats are for the fans who like a one race decision of a nights racing..Certainly not fair on the rider who topped the pile after 20 races... Ben Morley is tough little rider ,rides hard but fair,and has no fear,, and takes adversity on the chin..And im extremely proud to be his grandad... Edited July 24, 2011 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Got to agree with Shadders and Pongo( but i would wouldnt i..}Back in the old days when speedway was run properly and individual meetings were run where the winner was the highest scorer after 20 heats of racing you got a fare result on the night.. Modern formats are for the fans who like a one race decision of a nights racing..Certainly not fair on the rider who topped the pile after 20 races... Ben Morley is tough little rider ,rides hard ,and has no fear,, and takes adversity on the chin..And im extremely proud to be his grandad... I agree too. If that had been the format last season then Joe Jacobs would have been top of the pile at the U-18's. But you enter knowing the rules and you just have to get on with it. As long as you've given your best and enjoyed your racing then the rest will sort itself out. What will be will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Again I agree with my old mate Shadders and Pongo and the rest, never really gone for the semi final and final way of sorting out these meetings, maybe we a traditionalists. But as someone has pointed out the riders know the rules when they enter, but for me you sometimes don't get the best rider on the night winning the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Again I agree with my old mate Shadders and Pongo and the rest, never really gone for the semi final and final way of sorting out these meetings, maybe we a traditionalists. But as someone has pointed out the riders know the rules when they enter, but for me you sometimes don't get the best rider on the night winning the meeting. Â Â Very true but it does not mean they agree with them! The only choice available to the riders, it seems, are to enter or not enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Very true but it does not mean they agree with them! The only choice available to the riders, it seems, are to enter or not enter. Totally agree must be very frustrating when you have gone through the card won every race, only for you to lose out in the Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Got to agree with Shadders and Pongo( but i would wouldnt i..} Back in the old days when speedway was run properly and individual meetings were run where the winner was the highest scorer after 20 heats of racing you got a fare result on the night.. Modern formats are for the fans who like a one race decision of a nights racing..Certainly not fair on the rider who topped the pile after 20 races... Ben Morley is tough little rider ,rides hard but fair,and has no fear,, and takes adversity on the chin..And im extremely proud to be his grandad... Â Don't agree you got a fare result after 20 heats. Let's say a rider for example Morley wins his first 4 rides easily, best rider by far and then is winning his last ride and has engine failure on last lap, does that make it a fare result as he was best rider by far, with current format gets another chance to prove is best rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's my opinion, so it's not ridiculous... It's an opinion, just like your opinion is not ridiculous... Not having respect for other people's opinions, however foolish you may think they are, shows intolerance and an intimidatory attitude.. I've never been a fan of these kind of meetings where the title is decided over 4 laps. Â The don't be ridiculous comment was because you just said the under 19 champion should be the rider who scores most points, if you had said all individual meetings should be decided by rider who scores most points then fair enough that's your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I av to to agree, morley was best on the right n deserved to win it but with a stupid format of a semi n a final it was taken away in a one off race. I find it crazy how sumone with 10 points can go on to win it. Unlucky morley. Best rider on the night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I knew there'd be MOANING after Jason won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCastles Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Congratulations to Garrity on winning the title. Â Things are starting to look a bit better with a number of decent young brits coming through. Â Hopefully we can look forward to this crop of youngsters progressing up through the PL of the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I knew there'd be MOANING after Jason won Not moaning expressing an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 As I said in my original post, Morley was the best rider, points wise on the night, he did get lucky a few times, but that is speedway. In my opinion, he should have been crowned champion because he scored more points than the other riders on the night. However we know that in Finals things rarely go the way of the top rider on the night, he didn't do himself any favours regarding his gate choice for the final, 4 and 2 were working better all night and as much as I like Ben and think he is a top talent, he rarely makes a pass, as soon as he hit bend 2 it was clear he wasn't going to take the crown. Garrity raced very well and he deserved the title because he won the final. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 As I said in my original post, Morley was the best rider, points wise on the night, he did get lucky a few times, but that is speedway. In my opinion, he should have been crowned champion because he scored more points than the other riders on the night. However we know that in Finals things rarely go the way of the top rider on the night, he didn't do himself any favours regarding his gate choice for the final, 4 and 2 were working better all night and as much as I like Ben and think he is a top talent, he rarely makes a pass, as soon as he hit bend 2 it was clear he wasn't going to take the crown. Garrity raced very well and he deserved the title because he won the final. Simple as that. Â But in the Final you ride against 3 other equally good riders. The rider that gets a most points on the way to the final may have a favourable draw and only met the other 3 one at a time, where another rider may get 2 of the top riders together and a bad gate. If you're the best you can beat everyone when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Do I remember correctly that in previous years they were U18, not U19? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 But in the Final you ride against 3 other equally good riders. The rider that gets a most points on the way to the final may have a favourable draw ... Although in the semi-final the other three riders left the best gate (gate 4 produced 8 of 20 heat winners)) to James Searjeant, and he duly qualified for the final. In the final Garrity had third pick and was still able to take gate 4, from which he won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Do I remember correctly that in previous years they were U18, not U19? Â That is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 But in the Final you ride against 3 other equally good riders. The rider that gets a most points on the way to the final may have a favourable draw and only met the other 3 one at a time, where another rider may get 2 of the top riders together and a bad gate. If you're the best you can beat everyone when it matters. Â I don't really understand how your point is relevant to my post. All I've said is Ben was the top point scoring rider on the night, which I believe should make him champion, however as the semi and final are in the rules, Garrity equally deserves the crown because he went out and won the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I don't really understand how your point is relevant to my post. All I've said is Ben was the top point scoring rider on the night, which I believe should make him champion, however as the semi and final are in the rules, Garrity equally deserves the crown because he went out and won the final. Â Yeah sorry about that, didn't mean to quote you just meant to follow your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portgunner Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I av to to agree, morley was best on the right n deserved to win it but with a stupid format of a semi n a final it was taken away in a one off race. I find it crazy how sumone with 10 points can go on to win it. Unlucky morley. Best rider on the night the best rider on the night won ! ben had a chance to win final if he was best /he was also very lucky to not be excluded in one race ,garrity scored 10 from 4 not five and shouldnt have been excluded in his first it was first bend bunching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Fair play to garrity he won the race that mattered. But he got 10 from 5. U need to check i think. I thought he deserved to be ex. He got lucky just b4 the re run after crashin on 2nd bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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