albyhere Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I submit that the wrong guy won the British Final. It was won by default. Consider. There were a lot of delays leading up to the final therefore, time as per Sky, was pressing. Firstly we had all four riders in the wall at the start. Kennett disqualified ( rightly so.) in re-run no:2. Re-run number 3 saw Harrison jump the start, which totally threw Tai, and got away with it. Normally it would and should have been a restart. Tai himself said it put him right off. Even the commentators said it was a restart. In the ensuing race there was a bad run right into Harrison by Nichols and again it was clearly a disqualification issue, as again stated by commentators. In a normal race all these things would have come about. I reckon Tai was robbed of the title by time pressure. He was streets ahead of everyone else even with his dodgy shoulder. As witness his flawless 15 points. Just for the record I am entirely neutral being a Premier League fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Dont be catty the record books will show Scott Nicholls(Swindon)equalling Barry Briggs(Swindon)in winning 6 British titles. Tai is an excellent rider and was carrying an injury, thought he might win it with home advantage. His time will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I submit that the wrong guy won the British Final. It was won by default. Consider. There were a lot of delays leading up to the final therefore, time as per Sky, was pressing. Firstly we had all four riders in the wall at the start. Kennett disqualified ( rightly so.) in re-run no:2. Re-run number 3 saw Harrison jump the start, which totally threw Tai, and got away with it. Normally it would and should have been a restart. Tai himself said it put him right off. Even the commentators said it was a restart. In the ensuing race there was a bad run right into Harrison by Nichols and again it was clearly a disqualification issue, as again stated by commentators. In a normal race all these things would have come about. I reckon Tai was robbed of the title by time pressure. He was streets ahead of everyone else even with his dodgy shoulder. As witness his flawless 15 points. Just for the record I am entirely neutral being a Premier League fan. Â I agree with you on all points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I submit that the wrong guy won the British Final. It was won by default. Consider. There were a lot of delays leading up to the final therefore, time as per Sky, was pressing. Firstly we had all four riders in the wall at the start. Kennett disqualified ( rightly so.) in re-run no:2. Re-run number 3 saw Harrison jump the start, which totally threw Tai, and got away with it. Normally it would and should have been a restart. Tai himself said it put him right off. Even the commentators said it was a restart. In the ensuing race there was a bad run right into Harrison by Nichols and again it was clearly a disqualification issue, as again stated by commentators. In a normal race all these things would have come about. I reckon Tai was robbed of the title by time pressure. He was streets ahead of everyone else even with his dodgy shoulder. As witness his flawless 15 points. Just for the record I am entirely neutral being a Premier League fan. didnt tai try and jump the start in one of his earlier rides? and he got a restart cause someone else fell off , in speedway you need luck ,dosent matter if he qualified with 15 or 10 points the rules are winner of final is the british champion ,they didnt change the rules half way through ,they were the rules at the start the riders accept it ,and nicholls was a worthy champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Â Re-run number 3 saw Harrison jump the start, In the ensuing race there was a bad run right into Harrison Who is this Harrison then? Why wasn't Chris Harris in the final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolly Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Who is this Harrison then? Why wasn't Chris Harris in the final? Â Might have been Rusty Harrison on his dual national passport, or even a reincarnation of George Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrocks Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Agree a lot with the OP. Tai was evidently disadvantaged by the unsatisfactory start. In my opinion I do not consider 'rolling starts' as an issue so long as the riders don't touch the tapes. However, this IS a rule and therefore should be carried out at all times. The inconsistency cost Tai (most likely) a place at Cardiff and probably the title. Aforesaid, he was the best rider of the night and this was portrayed by his 15 point maximum. I felt it was injust that he didn't win, yet, congrats to Scott for his good effort in the final... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albyhere Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Who is this Harrison then? Why wasn't Chris Harris in the final? Â Oops! Silly me. Typical. Ignore the comments raised and make snide remarks about a couple typos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Its all swings and roundabouts... Being a Coventry fan we are used to rolling starts being missed by the ref at Monmore safrican american. Â Tai tried a roller and messed it up earlier on in the meeting, he then got lucky as the race was stopped and it allowed him then to get a decent gate and win the race, whats to say he would have got through had he gone to the race off. Â Harris has to be applauded, he has in the past been criticised for going down a touch easily, ie against Andersen in the SWC, Nicholls in the GP run off, we see many incidents like that each week where riders collide on the straight and nothing is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Many congrats to Scott. He was left by the guy who jumped the start then unfairly clattered him so it was evens there. As for Tai- of course he might have won on that form but that's the rub of the green. Scott got what he really wanted and he did it in a way that was good to see IMHO - aggression. Now he has to find a fast bike. How about borrowing Tai's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Tai did very well carrying an injury and battling with great courage. But he also had home advantage which is a huge advantage. Â Nicholls had worst gate in the final and won the race with a hard but fair passing move. Â Shame the final was marred with a starting issue, it should have been called back, but it's over and Nicholls is the champion for the 6th time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etfc1881 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Ok, will answer your posts but have split it up as many points, my thoughts in blue  I submit that the wrong guy won the British Final. It was won by default. Consider. There were a lot of delays leading up to the final therefore, time as per Sky, was pressing. Wrong guy never won it, the meeting was run over 22 heats and not 20, as Nicholls said, and I'm sure Harris was thinking as well, it's what happens in Heat 22 (Grand Final) that counts, these are experienced riders who know what it takes, and for me Tai isn't at that stage yet  Firstly we had all four riders in the wall at the start. Correct decision to allow all 4 back and amazed that no one was injured tbh  Kennett disqualified ( rightly so.) in re-run no:2. Well yes, but was gutted from a personal point of view  Re-run number 3 saw Harrison jump the start, which totally threw Tai, and got away with it. Normally it would and should have been a restart. Harrison? Harris moved, but maybe yes it should of been restarted, but did think Tai did whinge a little too much about it imo  Tai himself said it put him right off. Even the commentators said it was a restart. Commentators were sucking up to Tai all night anyway, so they would of anyway  In the ensuing race there was a bad run right into Harrison by Nichols and again it was clearly a disqualification issue, as again stated by commentators. In a normal race all these things would have come about. Nicholls saw a gap, and went for it, did Harris get knocked off? No, instead he tried to catch and pass Nicholls, I think if that would of been some of the riders in the line up, they would of gone down, but fair play to Harris for having a set of balls and carrying on, was nothing more than a hard ride by Nicholls and tbh it shows that Nicholls has grown and willing to mix it up, fairly but hard  I reckon Tai was robbed of the title by time pressure. He was streets ahead of everyone else even with his dodgy shoulder. As witness his flawless 15 points. Silly comment imo, like I have said before, the meeting was NOT run over 20 heats, it was run over 22 heats and Tai wasn't on it.  As for Tai, this somewhat baffles me, I know the lad broke his shoulder and came back way to early BUT if you fall off and can then virtually not move your shoulder, you can't even put your goggles on, there is no way that 2 Paracetamol and Adrenalin would of allowed him to carry on riding like he did, he just simply wouoldn't of had the power in his arm to hold the bike, and also, with any injury like that if you don't move the arm, as Tai was certainly not doing in between his heats etc, the arm would of stiffened up a lot. I'm not saying that Tai wasn't injured, but felt that he and the commentators made a meal of it a little bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Tai did very well carrying an injury and battling with great courage. But he also had home advantage which is a huge advantage.Nicholls had worst gate in the final and won the race with a hard but fair passing move. Â Shame the final was marred with a starting issue, it should have been called back, but it's over and Nicholls is the champion for the 6th time. Â Â How does home advantage help you to out-gate the others, which Tai did in 4 out of 5 rides in the main meeting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 How does home advantage help you to out-gate the others, which Tai did in 4 out of 5 rides in the main meeting ? Â Riding on your home track would first of all give you confidence, and he must also know where to line up etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Oops! Silly me. Typical. Ignore the comments raised and make snide remarks about a couple typos. Â Ok wont comment on your oops mistake I agree with most of what you say but Nicholls deserved to win the British Championship with a great pass on Harris and he did not jump the start one bit, so well done Scott on your 6th win. Just like to comment on Harts crash. It seemed to me Allen hated his guts as he deliberately knocked him off and as the ref did not disqualify Allen, he must hate Harts guts also. Hart must be the most hated rider in speedway, wonder why this is :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Â Tai tried a roller and messed it up earlier on in the meeting, he then got lucky as the race was stopped and it allowed him then to get a decent gate and win the race, whats to say he would have got through had he gone to the race off. Â Â Â Â Tai was already into 2nd place by the time that race was stopped and looked likely to go on to win it. So he would still have finished top scorer and thus no need for a race-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Riding on your home track would first of all give you confidence, and he must also know where to line up etc.... Â How does confidence make your reactions faster than other's ? As to knowing where to line up why do most riders, home and away, examine the gates at the start of the meeting ? I accept that there is advantage in knowing the lines and where and how to pass once a race has started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 How does home advantage help you to out-gate the others, which Tai did in 4 out of 5 rides in the main meeting ?  correct set up and knowing the lines to 1st bend. he said as much before picking his gate in the final  How does confidence make your reactions faster than other's ? As to knowing where to line up why do most riders, home and away, examine the gates at the start of the meeting ? I accept that there is advantage in knowing the lines and where and how to pass once a race has started.   you have answered your own question by accepting there is an advantage of knowing the lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 correct set up and knowing the lines to 1st bend. he said as much before picking his gate in the final     you have answered your own question by accepting there is an advantage of knowing the lines  Knowing the lines once the race is in full flow i.e. after the second bend.  Simply put, though, I feel that you demeaning his performance particulary in view of the fact that this was his first meeting back from injury, which was clearly aggravated after landing on the deck three times.  Also if Kennett hadn't had a moment of madness, Woffinden would be British Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Tai was already into 2nd place by the time that race was stopped and looked likely to go on to win it. So he would still have finished top scorer and thus no need for a race-off. Plus the sky team did say Tai was just taking it easy going into the first bend as he fell earlier!!!! on his shoulder. Nicholls was a worthy winner,the grand prixs are run on a similar basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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