norwichkev Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Refering to heat 11 i can not quote Bens opinion of the incident ..My own opinion of this particular incident which i have seen many times over 6o yrs going to speedway is some you win some you lose.... The other incident Danny Halsey went down first and was the primary cause of the stoppage end of story... Fair comment Waco, always interested to hear the other side of the story - in Ht 15 presumably Ben still had his engine running so technically still under power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3065 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) Good to see Mildenhall getting another win, albeit the margin was obviously effected by the absence of one Hackey reserve after heat 2. This gives Mildenhall a decent lead to defend in the second leg. However, the opposition will be a much tougher proposition around Rye House and with Mildenhall struggling away from home, it could still be quite tight as to who goes through in the tie. My own opinion of this particular incident which i have seen many times over 6o yrs going to speedway is some you win some you lose.... I cant help thinking that you wouldnt have had the same opinion if the exclusion had gone the other way!! Edited June 6, 2011 by neil3065 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) Good to see Mildenhall getting another win, albeit the margin was obviously effected by the absence of one Hackey reserve after heat 2. This gives Mildenhall a decent lead to defend in the second leg. However, the opposition will be a much tougher proposition around Rye House and with Mildenhall struggling away from home, it could still be quite tight as to who goes through in the tie. I cant help thinking that you wouldnt have had the same opinion if the exclusion had gone the other way!! All i can say is when the same thing happens on the first turn it is invarably all 4 back in...Had the decision gone against Ben i would have been as unhappy about it as you are,,but this type of incident on that particular part of the track is notoriously difficult to call for referees...Fans will have a view based on which team they support,,,human nature Edited June 6, 2011 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 i notice that on the Rye website it says that Shane will move to No1 next week when the new averages kick in.Does anybody know who will drop to reserve? Presume it has to be between Hopwood and Owen neither have had great starts to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Looking at the BSPA site it will be Ben Morley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) Looking at the BSPA site it will be Ben Morley! Ben Morley may not have had sufficient matches to obtain a new average like the rest of the team,if he moves to reserve as has been suggested its on last seasons average..Once he has obtained a new average he will move back into the team as this seasons scores suggest he is nearer the top of the averages than the bottom..Hope this explains the possible situation ,,but i can not be 100% sure about this till the new averages are announced Edited June 6, 2011 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Looking at the BSPA site it will be Ben Morley! I see what you mean.Bens average has not changed since the start of the season due to him missing some Hackney fixtures.Oh well reserve for the Rockets and the Hawks. At least he shoud get some extra rides for the Hawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLIGHTLY ROUND THE BEND Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 JJ quite superb, gating much sharper and coming through the pack. Solid team performance today, Aaron Baseby superb beat Barry twice and looked quick Lewis gets better each week + Dan & Jack both desreved more points than they got. Track was excellent with plenty of grip which seemed to catch RH out, despite the scoreline meeting was good with plenty of passing with Ben Morley the pick of the bunch for Rye who were also unlucky to lose Shane Hazelden in Heat 2. Was looking forward to seeing how he handled West Row after his good start to the season - hope his injury nothing serious. Referee had us scratching our heads a couple of times, interested in any bodies else take. Heat 11 Jack Hargreaves in Front coming up to 3rd bend and Ben Morley appeared to go for a gap between Jack and the fence that was not there, collected the fence yet Jack excluded - Waco probably has a view from Ben but from where we sat looked harsh. Then Heat 15 3rd bend Dan Halsey behind but trying to get round Ben overcooked on turn 3 and slid off, with no interference Ben then came off on bend 4 after which the red lights came on - only Dan excluded, Ben was allowed in the restart? Good crowd with plenty from Rye, and great to finally see Cameron on a bike. Whilst I respect Len Silver for his attempts to support young british riders in some respects he does them a disservice in that as soon as they encounter a track with any amount of grip they are somewhat lost.They are mostly very good riders but unless their stay at Rye is only a short one they never seem to step on to the next level.Eddie Kennett is the most obvious example,on small slick tracks he can beat anybody on his day but anywhere else and he flounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3065 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Whilst I respect Len Silver for his attempts to support young british riders in some respects he does them a disservice in that as soon as they encounter a track with any amount of grip they are somewhat lost. Rye have always had a significant home track advantage (although PL teams seem to have got used to Rye now and you do get a few away wins these days), but as you suggest, the down-side to that and a contributory factor to what has often been a marked contrast in their away form (certainly since they moved back to Hoddesdon in 2000) seems to have been that they do struggle to adapt to a grippy track away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Whilst I respect Len Silver for his attempts to support young british riders in some respects he does them a disservice in that as soon as they encounter a track with any amount of grip they are somewhat lost.They are mostly very good riders but unless their stay at Rye is only a short one they never seem to step on to the next level.Eddie Kennett is the most obvious example,on small slick tracks he can beat anybody on his day but anywhere else and he flounders. Dont think it appears to have effected Tai Woffinden or Linus Sunstrom ( to name but 2) to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Dont think it appears to have effected Tai Woffinden or Linus Sunstrom ( to name but 2) to much. if you have the talent you should be able to ride any track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLIGHTLY ROUND THE BEND Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Dont think it appears to have effected Tai Woffinden or Linus Sunstrom ( to name but 2) to much. Both of whom had only just over a year at Rye and neither started riding for Rye so therefore had experience of other types of track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 if you have the talent you should be able to ride any track. Can't disagree with that although at NL you are looking at a lot of riders in their formative years and limited resources, often too family members as mechanic who perhaps ( not all cases ) do not have the in depth experience to set bikes up to suit. Interesting yesterday, Barry struggled and he is not having a bad season & David Mason who both know Mildy well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Slighty, didnt Kennet start on the trainning track at Arlington ? Maybe Arlington was more a problem to him than Hoddesdon ? I thought Tai and Linus had 2 seasons each at Rye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 A fantastic win for Mildenhall with 3 riders on tip top form (Jacobs,Blackbird & Baseby). But having said this as a spectacle it was very poor and completely one sided. Hackney seemed to have very little stomach for the action and tailed off at the back many a time. Barrie Evans at no1 and an ex-Mildenhall rider expert was awful and only produced one ride of note and that was when jumping the gate and should have been a re-run. Nice to see young Cameron Heeps do a few laps he reminds me of another Taylor Poole. My guess next season we will see Blackbird and Heeps at reserve for the Witches especially as their Witches assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLIGHTLY ROUND THE BEND Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Slighty, didnt Kennet start on the trainning track at Arlington ? Maybe Arlington was more a problem to him than Hoddesdon ? I thought Tai and Linus had 2 seasons each at Rye. Let me put it another way.If Luke Bowen did not get a team spot at Rye for some reason can you see any other team offering him a place given his inflated average from home meetings?Moral appears to be ok in small doses at Rye as long as you learn to ride elsewhere beforehand....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Other riders have left Rye and picked up rides elsewhere. Roynon, Mear, Allen, Boxall for example. I think the Bowen example is only used to fit your argument. He is a rider who has sustained a fair few injuries over the years, who knows how far he may have gone, somethign we will never know. You could use the same argument about Kings Lynn with Adam Allot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLIGHTLY ROUND THE BEND Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Other riders have left Rye and picked up rides elsewhere. Roynon, Mear, Allen, Boxall for example. I think the Bowen example is only used to fit your argument. He is a rider who has sustained a fair few injuries over the years, who knows how far he may have gone, somethign we will never know. You could use the same argument about Kings Lynn with Adam Allot. Would not disagree with your logic re Adam and Robert but the others hardly shone anywhere else.We could take it a step further and pose the question of how many riders in recent times have gone on to international titles having ridden for Rye in their early years?I do not like being critical of someone who obviously cares but the size and shape of Rye is different enough without the added handicap of it being bereft of shale so as to make it virtually impossible to adapt bikes,styles etc for other tracks especially with the restrictions of N.L. riders budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) That is surely not unique to Hoddesdon. I seem to recall Rob Lyon stating he was not looking forward to the Stars recent trip to Lakeside, kind of one he wanted to get out of the way. Yet the trip to Rye House, in recent years, has always seen Lynn in with a sniff of the points. Edited June 6, 2011 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Whilst I respect Len Silver for his attempts to support young british riders in some respects he does them a disservice in that as soon as they encounter a track with any amount of grip they are somewhat lost.They are mostly very good riders but unless their stay at Rye is only a short one they never seem to step on to the next level.Eddie Kennett is the most obvious example,on small slick tracks he can beat anybody on his day but anywhere else and he flounders. Nonsence I'm afraid - Evans Mason and Hopwood have riden all types of tracks. Ben morley has mostly ridden Rye but has adapted to all types of tracks. As for Kennett - Coventry is grippy as hell and he dont have troubler there Rob Mear aint too bad either - Steve Boxall also. I think you are doing Mildenhall a disservice for yesterdays performance as some of the Awks are living on past achievements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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