Starman2006 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Good news is Jason Crump apparentyl dislocated shoulder and had it popped back in. Hopefully no ligament damage. Don't know where you got that from, but i hope you right, that would be good news. The man looked in absolute agony before he was put in the back of the Ambulance. But i must say in awful conditions Chris rode a blinder. But as somebody else pointed out, Gothenburg has to go, terrible track weather to unpredictable. And people are not going to come out in very unpredictable weather. Im sure there is somewhere else in Sweden it could be held Edited May 15, 2011 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) It is understandable that Gothenburg should be considered but I agree ...... if a track is just not getting the fans and it looks less than good on TV then if there are other options they should be explored................ attendances like last night and Elite League Pairs do no good for speedway when televised Problem is mate, nowadays people are not going to travel hundreds of miles paying gawd knows what in petrol or Deisal, pay £20 or more to get in, a fortune for a programme and over priced food when they can sit at home and watch it and everything else for their Sky subscription. In 2011 it just ain't going to happen as people just havn't got that sort of money to splash around. Its going to be very interesting to see what attendance Cardiff gets this year!! Edited May 15, 2011 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Don't know where you got that from, but i hope you right, that would be good news. The man looked in absolute agony before he was put in the back of the Ambulance. But i must say in awful conditions Chris rode a blinder. But as somebody else pointed out, Gothenburg has to go, terrible track weather to unpredictable. And people are not going to come out in very unpredictable weather. Im sure there is somewhere else in Sweden it could be held it was on SGP site this morning that they popped the shoulder back in and x-rays came back all clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 it was on SGP site this morning that they popped the shoulder back in and x-rays came back all clear. Well thats really good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Problem is mate, nowadays people are not going to travel hundreds of miles paying gawd knows what in petrol or Deisal, pay £20 or more to get in, a fortune for a programme and over priced food when they can sit at home and watch it and everything else for their Sky subscription. In 2011 it just ain't going to happen as people just havn't got that sort of money to splash around. Its going to be very interesting to see what attendance Cardiff gets this year!! think youve missed my point tbh if you know you are going to get 10k people ..... and you are building a sport/WC series..... it isnt going to look good on tv in a stadium that holds 43k...... whereas if you hold it in a stadium that holds 10-15k it does at least look like the sport/competition is going somewhere.......... I understand to some degree you take what you can get these days ..... but like I said if there are other options they really should be explored as I don't see a ghost town of a stadium pushing things forward Supercross in USA takes the approach of reducing prices to the point where they fill the stadium ..... in their case 100k stadiums with tickets starting from £10 for 4 hours of entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 About time the staging month was changed for this GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 About time the staging month was changed for this GP. The problem with that, I imagine, is that you would have to have a decent gap between the two Swedish GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 About time the staging month was changed for this GP. That's what i was thinking until Ghostwalker pointed out the weather patterns in Sweden would guarantee that would actually be the solution. As prestigious as it is to hold a GP in such a magnificent stadium, i can't help but agree a packed smaller stadium serves the sport far better than one with the awful sight of a mass of empty seats. Maybe Gothenburg needs to take a time out until the sport can attract attendances as it did in the past. The problem with that, I imagine, is that you would have to have a decent gap between the two Swedish GPs. That's a valid point. No good moving Gothenburg up if it forces the other swedish GP to later in the year risking bad weather for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 The alternative is to have them "back-to-back" on successive Saturdays, which would enable people to perhaps take in both on the one trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 The alternative is to have them "back-to-back" on successive Saturdays, which would enable people to perhaps take in both on the one trip. Or just have the one Swedish GP in Malilla. Give the other one to Russia or Latvia again. Or let Krsko have theirs back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Or just have the one Swedish GP in Malilla. Give the other one to Russia or Latvia again. Or let Krsko have theirs back. Yes, I can see no reason why Sweden must have 2 GPs. Two just means double the chance of a rain off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 But the same old excuse trotted out for why Britain doesn't have a second GP is that we can't fill Cardiff. So we get 40,000 into Cardiff and don't get a second GP, the Swedes get just 14,000 into Gothenburg and yet do. Where's the logic in that? It really looked awful on the TV last night - a near empty stadium. Surely a few less in a smaller stadium - i.e. that almost bursting at the seems with people would look better? All the best Rob You are of course assuming there is a British promoter willing to promote a second GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Give the other one to Russia or Latvia again. Or let Krsko have theirs back. It's not about sharing the GPs around, but who's willing to stage them. AFAIK, Daugavpils and Krsko relied heavily on local authority support and have 'done their wedge' which is why they're now off the calendar. Russia is simply a nightmare to organise anything in, and as Mr. Rising pointed out a few weeks ago, promoters there have the unfortunate tendency to be assassinated... Edited May 16, 2011 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpartialOne Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's not about sharing the GPs around, but who's willing to stage them. AFAIK, Daugavpils and Krsko relied heavily on local authority support and have 'done their wedge' which is why they're now off the calendar. Russia is simply a nightmare to organise anything in, and as Mr. Rising pointed out a few weeks ago, promoters there have the unfortunate tendency to be assassinated... The impression I got was that Krsko lost it to Gorican and Krsko were more than willing to continue. With regard to people saying we should have two British GPs, do you not think a second GP would start to see Cardiff crowds drop? A lot of people only go to 1 GP a year and at the moment that's Cardiff. If they had to choose they may opt for something a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 You are of course assuming there is a British promoter willing to promote a second GP. THIS is a very important point. BSI do not stage two GPs in Sweden or Denmark and in fact do none in Poland. Malilla, Vojens and the three Polish GPs are staged by their respective promotions. Cardiff is the jewel in the crown not just for BSI but also SKY who mount one of their largest TV operations for any sport there. Would a second GP round devalue Cardiff in their eyes? Slovenia eventually lost out because their local council failed to continue to support the event and it became unviable for the club whereas Croatia have a fantastic facility and strong financial backing. Latvia also lost local backing although that appears to be available again although it was never a particularly venue either with travelling fans or riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 THIS is a very important point. BSI do not stage two GPs in Sweden or Denmark and in fact do none in Poland. Malilla, Vojens and the three Polish GPs are staged by their respective promotions. Not sure about Vojens, but surely the GPs in Malilla and Poland are staged by the clubs. The difference between a club and a promotion you have already pointed out in other threads. ... although it was never a particularly venue either with travelling fans or riders. That makes no sense whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Ladyluck what is your issue? and particularly with Philip? Are you seriously saying you don't know what he meant? That you can't simply swap two words? You don't make mistakes? You really are starting to resemble a tiresome troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 what is your issue? and particularly with Philip? Are you seriously saying you don't know what he meant? That you can't simply swap two words? You don't make mistakes? He supports Coventry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREDON Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Believe the Ullevi Stadium is only available for Speedway early in the season, but agree it is far to early, they have only just got rid of the snow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not sure about Vojens, but surely the GPs in Malilla and Poland are staged by the clubs. The difference between a club and a promotion you have already pointed out in other threads. That makes no sense whatsoever. SORRY, particularly POPULAR, with travelling fans, riders, etc. When Daugavpils first came on the scene there were 'promises' that the local airport would be attracting the likes of Easyjet or Ryanair, thus avoiding the horrendous drive from Riga, but as the Latvian economy nosedived that was never likely to happen. And, as I said (or at least meant to) the GPs solely under the umbrella of BSI are at Cardiff, Copenhagen and Gothenburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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