NJC71 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 First time I've watched the Polish league. First match was poor with hardly a pass and the second one started superbly (fantastic crowd and atmosphere) but then fizzed out mainly due to a very poor away team, with Hancock in particular very poor. People give British speedway a lot of criticism and keep saying it's poor compared to Poland but although it's great to see such a big crowd I didn't think the racing was anything special, in fact poor in the first match. One thing I absolutely do not like is the heat format. Someone will have to explain it to me but it almost appeared like 4 man teams at one point with the same pairings out over and over again. Speedway meetings should build to a climax with everyone looking forward to the big clashes, like in heats 13 & 15 in England but the top riders seemed to ride against each other 4 or 5 times in Poland. Not a fan of that at all. The reserves hardly got a ride. The Gorzow team is also unbelievably strong with Pedersen, Gollob, Zagar, Iversen and Mrockza. Compare that to Tarnow earlier who had Lindgren, Ulamek and Kasprzak and nothing else. The Czestochowa team looks absolutely woeful in comparison even to Tarnow. Some serious mismatches for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) You have to remember that following Dobrucki's withdrawal Zielona Gora had to turn to tactical substitutes. What do you think is better? Hancock, Protasiewicz and Jonsson replacing the injured Dobrucki, or a junior? If Gorzow are so strong and Czestochowa so weak, perhaps you can explain why Gorzow only beat Czestochowa by six points in Gorzow: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/10/lwom-zabraklo-klow-relacja-z-meczu-caelum-stal-gorzow-wlokni/ Edited May 8, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietbowers Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 You have to remember that following Dobrucki's withdrawal Zielona Gora had to turn to tactical substitutes. What do you think is better? Hancock, Protasiewicz and Jonsson replacing the injured Dobrucki, or a junior? If Gorzow are so strong and Czestochowa so weak, perhaps you can explain why Gorzow only beat Czestochowa by six points in Gorzow: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/10/lwom-zabraklo-klow-relacja-z-meczu-caelum-stal-gorzow-wlokni/ Think the junior may have put more into it than Hancock appeared to today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 You have to remember that following Dobrucki's withdrawal Zielona Gora had to turn to tactical substitutes. What do you think is better? Hancock, Protasiewicz and Jonsson replacing the injured Dobrucki, or a junior? If Gorzow are so strong and Czestochowa so weak, perhaps you can explain why Gorzow only beat Czestochowa by six points in Gorzow: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/04/10/lwom-zabraklo-klow-relacja-z-meczu-caelum-stal-gorzow-wlokni/ It's just my opinon! Well you obviously know more than me but on paper their team looks weak compared to Gorzow. Let's see what the league table looks like at the end of the season. I wouldn't mind betting Gorzow will be top and Czestochowa bottom with some distance between the two. Regardless of the Tacticals it was the same riders too often. Pedersen and Zagar were out in successive heats at one point. The top 5 all seem to get 5 or 6 rides and the reserves hardly appeared. I just much prefer the EL / PL format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 It's just my opinon! Well you obviously know more than me but on paper their team looks weak compared to Gorzow. Let's see what the league table looks like at the end of the season. I wouldn't mind betting Gorzow will be top and Czestochowa bottom with some distance between the two. Regardless of the Tacticals it was the same riders too often. Pedersen and Zagar were out in successive heats at one point. The top 5 all seem to get 5 or 6 rides and the reserves hardly appeared. I just much prefer the EL / PL format. Hts 14 and 15 are nominated. That's why Zagar and Pedersen were out in Hts 13 and 14. I'd be surprised if Gorzow top the league. At the minute Zielona Gora are top. I don't think Czestochowa will be bottom either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 The sad news is a suspected fractured spine for Rafal Dobrucki: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/08/powazna-kontuzja-rafala-dobruckiego/ Heading for surgery now. I wish him a swift recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 What a load of rubbish that was today ....hardly a pass in both matches the people can't have much to do in Poland if they turn up for dross like that every week . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 What a load of rubbish that was today ....hardly a pass in both matches the people can't have much to do in Poland if they turn up for dross like that every week . You must have missed the Gollob v Hancock race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Apparently Leszno versus Wroclaw was a great meeting and so was Czestochowa versus Rzeszow. You win some, you lose some. Full results from Poland today: Ekstraliga Tarnow 42 : 47 Torun Czestochowa 47 : 43 Rzeszow Leszno 51 : 39 Wroclaw Gorzow 56 : 33 Zielona Gora Liga I Gniezno 44 : 46 Grudziadz Daugavpils 47 : 43 Rybnik Bydgoszcz 66 : 24 Lodz Gdansk 69 : 16 Poznan Liga II Krosno 38 : 52 Pila Ostrow 62 : 28 Rovno Opole 42 : 47 Lublin Edited May 8, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Why didn't Kostro ride today? Is there an official reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Why didn't Kostro ride today? Is there an official reason? He did. Fell heavily in Ht 1 and was unable to take further part in the meeting. I think he ended up in hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Why didn't Kostro ride today? Is there an official reason? Assuming you mean Tadeusz Kostro, he crashed in heat 1 but wasn't excluded. Unfortunately he was taken to hospital so unavailable for the restart of the race. Edit - ladyluck beat me to it! Edited May 8, 2011 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Thanks. Was it the same incident as Kamil or a different one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Assuming you mean Tadeusz Kostro, he crashed in heat 1 but wasn't excluded. Unfortunately he was taken to hospital so unavailable for the restart of the race. Edit - ladyluck beat me to it! It's his birthday as well, apparently. Still, the initial thought is that it's nothing more than "shock". Kamil Pulczynski also took a trip to hospital for a check-up after his crash, although it looks like nothing serious there either. Kostro's accident involved Kamil, but Kamil's injury was in a later crash. Edited May 8, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Kostro's accident involved Kamil, but Kamil's injury was in a later crash. Okay, so was Kamil excluded as the cause of the stoppage in heat 1, or was he excluded in a re-run? (You could save me a whole heap of typing if you still posted the results!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Thanks. Was it the same incident as Kamil or a different one? Answered in the post above, but don't even think about asking what happened in Gdansk. All I know is that Peter Ljung said the track was sh..., well, not very good. Kamil Pulczynski was excluded as the cause of the stoppage in Ht 1. Edited May 8, 2011 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 It's his birthday as well, apparently. Still, the initial thought is that it's nothing more than "shock". Kamil Pulczynski also took a trip to hospital for a check-up after his crash, although it looks like nothing serious there either. Kostro's accident involved Kamil, but Kamil's injury was in a later crash. Kamil is a very, very luck boy if he got away from that crash without injury. It looked a nasty hit on the back and head that he took from the following bike, and from the way he flopped around after the hit, I assume he was probably knocked out immediately. TBH, though, the strange way that he fell and then the two falls for Strzelec in the Gorzow match are maybe emphasising that some of these kids aren't ready to be given Extraliga power bikes. I think the Poles maybe need to reconsider their current rules for reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Answered in the post above, but don't even think about asking what happened in Gdansk. All I know is that Peter Ljung said the track was sh..., well, not very good. Kamil Pulczynski was excluded as the cause of the stoppage in Ht 1. I haven't even started on Liga 1 yet! But thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Kamil is a very, very luck boy if he got away from that crash without injury. It looked a nasty hit on the back and head that he took from the following bike, and from the way he flopped around after the hit, I assume he was probably knocked out immediately. According to Jan Zabik it looks like everything is okay: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2011/05/08/tadeusz-kostro-i-kamil-pulczynski-wyladowali-w-szpitalu/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsportowefakty%2Bzuzel%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1TSEA_ENUK335%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&usg=ALkJrhhx1mxM5a--a16J4UQSt9FbUeWyww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Answered in the post above, but don't even think about asking what happened in Gdansk. All I know is that Peter Ljung said the track was sh..., well, not very good. Whatever the track was like, Darky and THJ proved again that they own Liga 1 this year. 10.57 and 10.48...Not bad averages for the young Gdansk spearhead so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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