CardinalSin Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Suspect Cameron will make the Ippo side next season, not a problem there I've heard this too. Cameron will be doing plenty of laps at Foxhall this season after meetings and probably line up at reserve next year. I don't think its ideal and i'm pretty sure Chris Louis wanted him to gain some valuable experience in the NL first. But finally some exciting times for Witches fans to have such a highly rated talented young rider on the books rather than the average Joe Poles we've seen so much in recent years. Cameron may not pull up any trees next year and i hope there isn't too much pressure put on his young shoulders to produce straight away. But it will be great to follow the lads progress, in Witches colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennywren Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I'm personally not against the Commonwealth riders but they have been excluded this year and it is British riders only or those who have patriality that are able to race in the NL. As long as it is a level playing field for everyone then that is what concerns me. I think you meant to say 'what the BSPA consider as having patriality' as this appears to be different to the criteria used by the UK Border agency. If you ask the UKBA what serves to prove UK Patriality they will state that the person needs to hold an Ancestry visa (British grandparent, etc, as quoted somewhere on this thread by Mr Vasey) which apparently only runs for 5 yrs or a Settlement visa (next step on from the Ancestry visa, entitles the holder to the same rights as a UK citizen and after 12 months entitles the holder to apply for a UK passport. This information is very simple to find - took about 5 minutes by talking to their very helpful call centre. Assume the problem with Cameron is that the BSPA do not recognise or are not aware of the settlement visa as according to the Speedway Star he has one of those (British parent maybe?). Fully agree with the 'level playing field for everyone' statement but it seems that the BSPA interpretation of Patriality is not 'equal'. If I was cynical I may conclude that this is an attempt to stop a particular rider from riding in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needles Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I think you meant to say 'what the BSPA consider as having patriality' as this appears to be different to the criteria used by the UK Border agency. If you ask the UKBA what serves to prove UK Patriality they will state that the person needs to hold an Ancestry visa (British grandparent, etc, as quoted somewhere on this thread by Mr Vasey) which apparently only runs for 5 yrs or a Settlement visa (next step on from the Ancestry visa, entitles the holder to the same rights as a UK citizen and after 12 months entitles the holder to apply for a UK passport. This information is very simple to find - took about 5 minutes by talking to their very helpful call centre. Assume the problem with Cameron is that the BSPA do not recognise or are not aware of the settlement visa as according to the Speedway Star he has one of those (British parent maybe?). Fully agree with the 'level playing field for everyone' statement but it seems that the BSPA interpretation of Patriality is not 'equal'. If I was cynical I may conclude that this is an attempt to stop a particular rider from riding in the NL. I've highlighted these two parts of your post ASV. As Cameron apparently has a Settlement Visa, I really am at loss to understand why on earth he is being prevented from riding in the NL, which given how far he has travelled, is, I suspect, all he wants to do. If the BSPA really don't recognise/know the difference between the various types of Visa's, I suggest they check up on it pretty sharpish. I'm sure I've read somewhere (BFD maybe?) that there are loads of up and coming young Aussies coming through the system. Shame if the stance of the BSPA (for whatever reason, which for the life of me I can't see) stopped them. British Speedway will be the loser in this instance. And before anyone jumps on my post, I'm as keen as the next person to see our own youth developed, but they do need other good, young riders to race against once they're up to NL standard). Also the NL teams need to be able to entice people through the turnstiles -if it means a few exciting Aussies (who have UK Patriality as per the UK Borders Agency) at NL level to achieve this, I really can't see a problem. Our own Youth development needs to start way earlier than the NL - the Under 16 series helps, but really a properly financed system needs to be in place and maybe the powers that be should look to Australia/Denmark/Poland to see how they do things, as these Countries have a veritable conveyor belt of youngsters coming through. Anyway, back to Cameron Heeps Hopefully everything will be sorted soon and we'll get to see him ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I suggest they check up on it pretty sharpish. I'm sure I've read somewhere (BFD maybe?) that there are loads of up and coming young Aussies coming through the system. Shame if the stance of the BSPA (for whatever reason, which for the life of me I can't see) stopped them. British Speedway will be the loser in this instance. Think you have answered your own question, if there are droves of Aussies coming up wanting to use the NL then it kinda loses its point as a training league for this country. Will British speedway be the loser i doubt it as it will meander on as usual, will Aussie speedway lose out, no as the talented riders will slot straight into the PL. Heeps by the sound of it is good enough for the PL, so if he has to cool his heels until next season so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Like i said before Camo has made a good few friends in Denmark since he first came over a few years back.Spent quite a bit of time riding in the 80cc league last year.So if he can't get proper meetings in GB,i hope he might consider the rest of the season in Denmark again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boston five Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) i hope so iris that means adam can keep his team place Edited June 11, 2011 by boston five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Adam Portwood rides at reserve for the Fen Tigers. Heeps has been refused permission to ride in NL by the BSPA. As for if he'll do any after meeting laps, who knows? Hoorah for the BSPA. A scandelous move by Mildenhall in the first place. I wish Adam Portwood all the best and hope he can develop this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 i hope so iris that means adam can keep his team place Sure thing.I tend to follow riders i have seen in person.So having seen Camo way back in 2008 riding individually and for the young Australian team that included Taylor Poole,Alex Davies and the amazingly talented Arthur Sissis i do have a bias towards him.But that doesn't mean i want him in a team illegaly and in place of a young British rider who is trying his best to make a career in our sport.I certainly wish all the best to both riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalSin Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Can Heeps ride in open meetings? I just wonder whether we might see the lad in action for the 16 lapper at Foxhall in October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Hoorah for the BSPA. A scandelous move by Mildenhall in the first place. I wish Adam Portwood all the best and hope he can develop this season. HaHa, and lashings of ginger Beer presumably, you monkie and frumpylion must light up the town when you meet up for the half of bitter ( very apt ). Tis called entertainment, which O.K. Scunthorpe is possibly not best renowned for, however..... For those at Rye tonite probably an insight into what the lad can offer - even Rye fans stopped to watch and applauded. I hope you did not watch the GP tonite, a lot of Johnny Foreigner's in there, don't know how they get away with it - beats me why Sky even bother to televise it with only the one Brit in. Adam Portwood has developed vey well over the last season - has earned his chance on merit - and will continue to under the guidance of possibly the best promotional development team that has existed for many a year - I would put money on a few of the next GB stars being brought through via Mildy, will no doubt give you something else to whinge about then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Tis called entertainment, which O.K. Scunthorpe is possibly not best renowned for, Thats a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I've heard this too. Cameron will be doing plenty of laps at Foxhall this season after meetings and probably line up at reserve next year. I don't think its ideal and i'm pretty sure Chris Louis wanted him to gain some valuable experience in the NL first. But finally some exciting times for Witches fans to have such a highly rated talented young rider on the books rather than the average Joe Poles we've seen so much in recent years. Cameron may not pull up any trees next year and i hope there isn't too much pressure put on his young shoulders to produce straight away. But it will be great to follow the lads progress, in Witches colours. Quite agree it will be great to have a really talented rider at reserve for the Witches next season in Cameron Heeps so unlike this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Hoorah for the BSPA. A scandelous move by Mildenhall in the first place. I wish Adam Portwood all the best and hope he can develop this season. Get real! Scandalous! –adjective . disgraceful; shameful or shocking; Really?? I do find it interesting that those who continuingly attack the possibility of Mildenhall tracking young Heeps, don't spend a little of their time attacking the PL clubs who fill their reserve berths with overseas riders rather than giving the young Brits their chance to develop! After all surely the development of a young rider doesn't begin and end in the NL? But maybe thats not in your/their (self) interest?? Edited June 12, 2011 by PhilK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I've missed the story... Why is it that the 'powers-that-be' say young Cameron can't ride for the FTs..? Personally I can't conceive on how this a whole Heeps different (!) from any other of very many Anzacs who have appeared in the third tier over the past decade..?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I think the problem is that a Settlement visa allows a child to come over and study - but not to compete in sports - and be paid to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Get real! Scandalous! –adjective . disgraceful; shameful or shocking; Really?? I do find it interesting that those who continuingly attack the possibility of Mildenhall tracking young Heeps, don't spend a little of their time attacking the PL clubs who fill their reserve berths with overseas riders rather than giving the young Brits their chance to develop! After all surely the development of a young rider doesn't begin and end in the NL? But maybe thats not in your/their (self) interest?? Do you think we are all stupid! Mildenhall have tried to pull a fast one and failed. He is no more a three pointer than you are. And yes it is disgraceful, shameful and shocking that you thought you could get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Do you think we are all stupid! Mildenhall have tried to pull a fast one and failed. He is no more a three pointer than you are. And yes it is disgraceful, shameful and shocking that you thought you could get away with it. Not all, but if you think whether he is a three pointer or not (in your opinion), has any bearing on any decision taken about whether he can or cannot ride, then I am afraid you may well be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Not all, but if you think whether he is a three pointer or not (in your opinion), has any bearing on any decision taken about whether he can or cannot ride, then I am afraid you may well be You obviously dont think you can win anything without bringing a ringer in. Well guess what, you wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfisherman Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 You obviously dont think you can win anything without bringing a ringer in. Well guess what, you wont. They don't seem to be doing too badly at present though, do they? No doubt you saw the result at Rye House last evening ? You could well have a red face after they have visited your track as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguetrader Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 They don't seem to be doing too badly at present though, do they? No doubt you saw the result at Rye House last evening ? You could well have a red face after they have visited your track as well. Umm they have. We won 57 - 36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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