arnieg Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 This is not entirely accurate as the sponsorship system allows other riders such as Troy Batchelor to work here as well. Not quite the point I was making. The sponsorship system is one by which individuals are allowed to work in the UK at the discretion of the UK Government. They could easily change the rules (and indeed there has been much noise [largely hot air in my view] that they are being tightened). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Now you see from where I am sitting that is damn good business sense and I see nothing wrong with unseemly haste when there is a quid to be made, speedway promotors should be no different to any other entertainment promotor, and they will have bills to pay like anyone else, so bloody good luck to Ipswich if you are correct in your assumption. Fully agree, you don't get anywhere in a competitive market if you hang around. I understand that several clubs were trying to get his signature so either they were also being hasty, their owners also thought that he was eligible or they thought they could get him accepted by the powers that be (e.g. they are possibly in a more influential position in the sport). I really hope Cameron is able to ride for the Fen Tigers, otherwise I think dragging the kid and his mum halfway round the world to stand in the Foxhall pits for a few meetings and then fly back again is a monumental waste of everyone's time and effort. If you just wanted the signature before anyone else, just get him to sign up and get him in the PL team next March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenTiger666 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As a Fen Tigers fan who doesnt also support Ipswich all im interested in is the Fen Tigers. If Heeps signs he will sign as an asset of Ipswich so this doesnt benefit the Fen Tigers at all. Be interested if the Mildenhall SMS people give anything to Heeps before we find out if he can ride for Mildenhall. If they do, and he doesnt ride, then why are SMS Mildenhall giving money to help Ipswich. Out of interest the Mildenhall promotion never confirmed what happened earlier this season when Halsey, Blackbird and Baseby were all announced as full transfers. Yes they were, they were transferred to Ipswich and are Ipswich assets not Mildenhall assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As a Fen Tigers fan who doesnt also support Ipswich all im interested in is the Fen Tigers. If Heeps signs he will sign as an asset of Ipswich so this doesnt benefit the Fen Tigers at all. Be interested if the Mildenhall SMS people give anything to Heeps before we find out if he can ride for Mildenhall. If they do, and he doesnt ride, then why are SMS Mildenhall giving money to help Ipswich. Out of interest the Mildenhall promotion never confirmed what happened earlier this season when Halsey, Blackbird and Baseby were all announced as full transfers. Yes they were, they were transferred to Ipswich and are Ipswich assets not Mildenhall assets Mildenhall might not gain financially from Heeps but to suggest they will not benefit from him being here is utter rubbish. If he does ride for the Tigers and he is as good as his reputation suggests, I would say that they will go from a team in with a shout of winning the league to clear favourites as they will potentiallybe replacing a 3.00 rider with a 6-7.00 one. Where SMS are concerned, knowing Troy Dudley & Gerry Pearson personally they are men of absolute integrity who will dispose of funds in a way that they see fit and as a member of SMS I am quite happy to leave that to them. Who do you think paid for the transfer fees ? Mildenhall ? What with ? Blackbird was actually swapped with Rayson, an Ipswich asset. I'd say it is quite clear that Mildenhall will be used as a feeder track for Ipswich, quite possibly with Ipswich contributing financially in the future towards its costs. If it continues in existence for that reason alone (and I doubt if anyone takes speedway at West Row from season to season for granted) I suspect that that would be enough for most Fen Tigers fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I really hope Cameron is able to ride for the Fen Tigers, otherwise I think dragging the kid and his mum halfway round the world to stand in the Foxhall pits for a few meetings and then fly back again is a monumental waste of everyone's time and effort. If you just wanted the signature before anyone else, just get him to sign up and get him in the PL team next March. Should that not read if "Mr Louis wanted", my only contribution is £20 a week for me and the missus to watch at Mildenhall,we cannott afford to go to Ipswich as well. What goes on between promotors and riders is none of my business. I only made the observation what a good piece of business it was, as many seem to miss the point that promotors must run it as a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As a Fen Tigers fan who doesnt also support Ipswich all im interested in is the Fen Tigers. If Heeps signs he will sign as an asset of Ipswich so this doesnt benefit the Fen Tigers at all. Be interested if the Mildenhall SMS people give anything to Heeps before we find out if he can ride for Mildenhall. If they do, and he doesnt ride, then why are SMS Mildenhall giving money to help Ipswich. Out of interest the Mildenhall promotion never confirmed what happened earlier this season when Halsey, Blackbird and Baseby were all announced as full transfers. Yes they were, they were transferred to Ipswich and are Ipswich assets not Mildenhall assets I was going to reply, but I see HalifaxTiger has already written exactly how I feel as well, Without Ipswich then Mildenhall would probably not be running this season, so I for one find your knocking of Ipswich well out of order. And for the record no I am not an Ipswich supporter eithier, how could I be, being a carrow road faithfull ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenTiger666 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I was going to reply, but I see HalifaxTiger has already written exactly how I feel as well, Without Ipswich then Mildenhall would probably not be running this season, so I for one find your knocking of Ipswich well out of order. And for the record no I am not an Ipswich supporter eithier, how could I be, being a carrow road faithfull ! Sorry but Kevin Jolly is the reason we have the Fen Tigers this season and i dont think he is gettig anywhere near the creidt he deserves, and its Michael and Nikki Lee who do most of the work behind the scenes. Chris Louis is just picking up the riders for Ipswich which is his right if he paid the transfer fees, the question is did he? I have no problem with Ipswich, I just dont support them, and I am very pleased to see the good crowds at Mildenhall this season and the work the new promotion are doing but they wont be around for ever (although I hope for many years to come) so Mildenhall needs to build up its own rider assets to make it a viable proposition for someone else to buy in the future. We all saw what happened when the Kings Lynn promotion bought/sold the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry but Kevin Jolly is the reason we have the Fen Tigers this season and i dont think he is gettig anywhere near the creidt he deserves, and its Michael and Nikki Lee who do most of the work behind the scenes. Chris Louis is just picking up the riders for Ipswich which is his right if he paid the transfer fees, the question is did he? I have no problem with Ipswich, I just dont support them, and I am very pleased to see the good crowds at Mildenhall this season and the work the new promotion are doing but they wont be around for ever (although I hope for many years to come) so Mildenhall needs to build up its own rider assets to make it a viable proposition for someone else to buy in the future. We all saw what happened when the Kings Lynn promotion bought/sold the club I think Kevin's naturally unassuming manner will mean that will always be the case FT666, but I am sure he knows that we the supporters appreciate what he has done for the club and give him great credit for it:approve: However this is a three way venture with Michael Lee and Chris Louis equaly involved in getting Mildenhall speedway back off the ground, and too suggest Chris Louis 'is just picking up the riders for Ipswich' is unfair in the extreme, and in my opinion totally unfounded. I am sure Kevin and Michael would say how valuable his knowledge in speedway is to the promotion especially when dealing with the BSPA etc, after all of his experience at Ipswich. If some of our current crop of riders progress into the PL with Ipswich then surely that is a good thing? I'd rather see exciting talents like Blackbird, Jacobs, Heeps ride for us for a season or two then move forward than have a side full of riders that just stagnate at NL level. You are right though that we need to build an asset base in time, and I am sure that is being addressed. Yesteray saw the first academy day, and hopefully in time future Fen Tigers can be found from that arena. It is early days yet, but what I have seen so far is a committed promotion, that know how to promote, will make the difficult decisions for the benefit of the club and want to put Mildenhall back on the speedwya map. They ave my 100% support for that, and if the rest of the seaosn is as enjoyable as the first four meetings that will be good enough for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry but Kevin Jolly is the reason we have the Fen Tigers this season and i dont think he is gettig anywhere near the creidt he deserves, and its Michael and Nikki Lee who do most of the work behind the scenes. Chris Louis is just picking up the riders for Ipswich which is his right if he paid the transfer fees, the question is did he? I have no problem with Ipswich, I just dont support them, and I am very pleased to see the good crowds at Mildenhall this season and the work the new promotion are doing but they wont be around for ever (although I hope for many years to come) so Mildenhall needs to build up its own rider assets to make it a viable proposition for someone else to buy in the future. We all saw what happened when the Kings Lynn promotion bought/sold the club To be fair its everyone behind the scenes that are the reason the Fen Tigers are running this season. Yes Kevin Jolly was initially at the fore of the fight to bring the club back to life, but if you think that it is he alone thats done it then you're sadly mistaken. Obviously Michael Lee and Chris Louis have put in plenty of effort and money to get the club to where it is today and then the many other helpers etc in the background all bring a vital contribution to the sucessful running of the club. As far as i'm aware you can't have assets in the National League The riders Kings Lynn got from the club were assets from the time Mildenhall were in the Premier League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) I really hope Cameron is able to ride for the Fen Tigers, otherwise I think dragging the kid and his mum halfway round the world to stand in the Foxhall pits for a few meetings and then fly back again is a monumental waste of everyone's time and effort. If you just wanted the signature before anyone else, just get him to sign up and get him in the PL team next March. Cameron is already signed up for Ipswich. It certainly isn't a waste of time him coming over either. Foxhall will be his home track in the coming seasons and the lad will be putting plenty of laps in after meetings. It's all helpful experience for him and certainly isn't a waste of time. John and Chris Louis, and Jeremy Doncaster have already spent time helping him sinced he arrived only days ago. Edited June 5, 2011 by Catch22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As far as i'm aware you can't have assets in the National League The riders Kings Lynn got from the club were assets from the time Mildenhall were in the Premier League. You couldn't have assets in the old Conference League - but I think that you can in the National League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 You couldn't have assets in the old Conference League - but I think that you can in the National League Oh right, thanks for the info, I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aljack Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As a Fen Tigers fan who doesnt also support Ipswich all im interested in is the Fen Tigers. If Heeps signs he will sign as an asset of Ipswich so this doesnt benefit the Fen Tigers at all. Be interested if the Mildenhall SMS people give anything to Heeps before we find out if he can ride for Mildenhall. If they do, and he doesnt ride, then why are SMS Mildenhall giving money to help Ipswich. Out of interest the Mildenhall promotion never confirmed what happened earlier this season when Halsey, Blackbird and Baseby were all announced as full transfers. Yes they were, they were transferred to Ipswich and are Ipswich assets not Mildenhall assets Interesting post this 'FenTiger666' are you saying all Mildenhall riders not on loan are assets of Ipswich? What do you base this on have you actual proof of this or is it guess work? Its not that I dont believe what you say but just like to know the correct facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mummycaz Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 As a Fen Tigers fan who doesnt also support Ipswich all im interested in is the Fen Tigers. If Heeps signs he will sign as an asset of Ipswich so this doesnt benefit the Fen Tigers at all. Be interested if the Mildenhall SMS people give anything to Heeps before we find out if he can ride for Mildenhall. If they do, and he doesnt ride, then why are SMS Mildenhall giving money to help Ipswich. Out of interest the Mildenhall promotion never confirmed what happened earlier this season when Halsey, Blackbird and Baseby were all announced as full transfers. Yes they were, they were transferred to Ipswich and are Ipswich assets not Mildenhall assets I am Secretary of the SMS Supporters Club and I can tell you that we do not give individual riders money. We support riders by contributing the meeting raffle monies for the purchase of riders tyres and fuel. We have raised money for the Academy and will continue to raise funds to support the Club, but no monies have been given to any individual rider. If you wish to become a member of the SMS Supporters Club, the annual fee is £5.00 and you will receive a regular breakdown of our accounts with your Members Newsletter. We have always, and will continue to be, completely open with our accounts. If you wish to send me your details I will forward you an SMS Supporters Club Membership form. Carol Reynolds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendpostie Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) I am Secretary of the SMS Supporters Club and I can tell you that we do not give individual riders money. We support riders by contributing the meeting raffle monies for the purchase of riders tyres and fuel. We have raised money for the Academy and will continue to raise funds to support the Club, but no monies have been given to any individual rider. If you wish to become a member of the SMS Supporters Club, the annual fee is £5.00 and you will receive a regular breakdown of our accounts with your Members Newsletter. We have always, and will continue to be, completely open with our accounts. If you wish to send me your details I will forward you an SMS Supporters Club Membership form. Carol Reynolds. An excellent reply Carol Just to say, having seen the lad do 8 laps this afternoon after the meeting, i can see why so many people are predicting big things for this young man. And again I repeat anyone who improves the league is welcome to ride in it in my opinion,partisan rules do nothing to improve the leagues standard. Edited June 5, 2011 by 2ndbendpostie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidba Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 An excellent reply Carol Just to say, having seen the lad do 8 laps this afternoon after the meeting, i can see why so many people are predicting big things for this young man. And again I repeat anyone who improves the league is welcome to ride in it in my opinion,partisan rules do nothing to improve the leagues standard. Can't wait to see him ride on Saturday.My attendance at NL matches this year has certainly fallen away partly due to the ruling barring foriegn riders. Surely they need more not less customers, it's not just a 'development' league,it needs to be a viable, exciting 3rd tier? Doesn't even make sense from a nationalistic point of view as there are no restrictions at all in the PL so all these Brits will have nowhere to go to after their NL stints as riding against weaker riders each week PL teams will opt for higher standard foreign riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenTiger666 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Interesting post this 'FenTiger666' are you saying all Mildenhall riders not on loan are assets of Ipswich? What do you base this on have you actual proof of this or is it guess work? Its not that I dont believe what you say but just like to know the correct facts Cant say all riders not on load but its a fact that Halsey, Baseby and Blackbird are Ipswich assets. The paperwork signed received by the BSPA was on Ipswich headed paper and confirmed the three above were to be transferred to Ipswich, two from Poole and one from Kings Lynn. Also Adam Portwood has, apparently written on Facebook last night he is the new Number 6 for the Fen Tigers. If that means he is replacing Nick Laurence what does that mean for Cameron Heeps ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 it means what i been telling you for weeks,heeps dont have a dual passport at present,so he wont be riding for the fentigers,hes here in the uk so he must have had a passport to travel!!!! Its all that is needed to ride in the nl,so why didnt he ride yesterday???? After mildenhall lied and fiddled the papers for taylor poole to get him on a 3 average,the bspa are probably watching them like a hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennywren Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) Cant say all riders not on load but its a fact that Halsey, Baseby and Blackbird are Ipswich assets. The paperwork signed received by the BSPA was on Ipswich headed paper and confirmed the three above were to be transferred to Ipswich, two from Poole and one from Kings Lynn.So are you one of the girls that deals with said paperwork or one of the committee that rumber stamps it. Either way, as you must have access to confidential paperwork can we have a copy of the chairman's expenses form next please? Edited June 6, 2011 by ASV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwichkev Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) it means what i been telling you for weeks,heeps dont have a dual passport at present,so he wont be riding for the fentigers,hes here in the uk so he must have had a passport to travel!!!! Its all that is needed to ride in the nl,so why didnt he ride yesterday???? After mildenhall lied and fiddled the papers for taylor poole to get him on a 3 average,the bspa are probably watching them like a hawk Oh dear, oh dear, another subscriber to the Twats gazette. Let me guess maybe an interest or affiliation ( A-FIL-E-A-SHONE ) to or with Scunthorpe somewhere along the line maybe?. There is the possibilty that paperwork has to be processed by the BSPA? which is why he didn't ride, or jet lag after arriving late Thursday - but that does not fit your rant so let's ignore eh! If he does not have the neccesary qualifications ( sorry for the big word ) then he won't get clearance to ride, but we get to see him after meetings - shame for the tracks that we visit though, I would have thought more people through the turnstiles ( for you "gate" ) would have been welcome. P.S.Capital letters to start sentences can be used either by pressing the Caps Lock or the key underneath with the little arrow, and ask teacher for lessons in grammar. One question needs only 1 question mark really, but perhaps counting is not a skill either Edited June 6, 2011 by norwichkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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